suburbannature Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, NausAllien said: LMAO! YOU are the one who's making it about the BB Hot 100. OP and I are talking about HITS. And I cannot believe you're making it about a Top 15? Why so you can include #Beautiful? LMAO! How convenient... Literally I've never seen in MY LIFE a more clear example of the "moving the goalposts" fallacy. It's insane... Aw, let me spell it out for you more since you're still struggling. Here's your comment: 45 minutes ago, NausAllien said: So as you can see, Mariah doesn't have the longevity the other three ladies had. Moreover, in between her first and last hits Mariah had SEVERAL FLOP eras. Or are you going to deny Glitter and Charmbracelet were EPIC flops? Madonna, Shakira and Beyoncé never had flops of that magnitude in between their first and last hits. to which I replied with WW album stats showcasing your theory doesn't even come close to holding water: 33 minutes ago, suburbannature said: And please. This is Shakira's trajectory: Two Colombian albums that moved about 1,000 copies each Pies Descalzos (1995): 4 million WW Dónde Están los Ladrones?: 4 million WW Laundry Service (2001): 13 million WW Fijacion Oral: 5 million WW She Wolf (2009): 2 million WW Sale el Sol: 4 million WW Shakira (2014): 900,000 WW yet I don't see you calling Laundry Service a fluke or She Wolf an enormous bomb Meanwhile Mariah: Mariah Carey (1990): 15 million WW Emotions: 8 million WW Music Box: 30 million WW Merry Christmas: 18 million WW Daydream: 25 million WW Butterfly: 10 million WW #1s (1998): 15 million WW Rainbow: 8 million WW Glitter: 2 million WW Greatest Hits (2001): 5 million WW Charmbracelet: 3 million WW Emancipation of Mimi (2005): 10 million WW E=MC2 (2008): 2.5 million WW Memoirs (2009): 2 million WW You might want to consider what you're saying before you dig yourself a bigger hole in these arguments. 15 minutes ago, suburbannature said: Let me spell it out for you since you're struggling and deflecting. Shakira's years between 2,000,000 million selling albums (or even one million) WW: 15 Mariah's years between 2,000,000 million selling albums WW: 19 Shakira's years between Billboard top 15 singles: 13 Mariah's years between Billboard top 15 singles (no Xmas): 23 Mariah's years between Billboard top 15 singles (with Xmas): 32 And okay! Let's do top ten then! Shakira's years between Billboard top 10 singles: 6 Mariah's years between Billboard top 10 singles (no Xmas): 19 Mariah's years between Billboard top 10 singles (with Xmas): 32 Thanks for playing.
NausAllien Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, suburbannature said: Aw, let me spell it out for you more since you're still struggling. Here's your comment: to which I replied with WW album stats showcasing your theory doesn't even come close to holding water: And okay! Let's do top ten then! Shakira's years between Billboard top 10 singles: 6 Mariah's years between Billboard top 10 singles (no Xmas): 19 Mariah's years between Billboard top 10 singles (with Xmas): 32 Once again, you're making it about the Billboard chart. Why should Shakira, an artist who isn't even American, be judged based on her performance in America and ONLY in America? Because Mariah's last REAL international hit was 2008? You know there are other countries apart from the United States of America, right? It's not Shakira's fault that Mariah has been flopping in ALL of them for more than a decade... At least she has that one Christmas song to pay the bills each year... Edited October 21, 2022 by NausAllien
Topaz Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 Mariah also released her most critically aclaimed Caution album in 2018 with an 82/100 nobody gonna mention that. While being the only girl from the 90's to keep up with current streaming girls and always being in the top 10 of streaming which surprises me when I see her with the new crop of girls.
suburbannature Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: Once again, you're making it about the Billboard chart. Why should Shakira, an artist who isn't even American, be judged based on her performance in America and ONLY in America? Because Mariah's last REAL international hit was 2008? You know there are other countries apart from the United States of America, right? It's not Shakira's fault that Mariah has been flopping in ALL of them for more than a decade... At least she has that one Christmas song to pay the bills each year... Now who is moving goalposts? Those are WW album figures because YOU brought up eras. And they show Mariah having FAR better longevity with strong album sellers (19 years of at least 2 million WW compared to 15 for Shakira). In fact, you said she flopped throughout the 2000s and her 2001 Greatest Hits LP outsells every Shakira album but one. Her enormous bomb Charmbracelet? Only one million less than Shakira's third-biggest album sales number. And the WW figures of that Shakira song you're clutching to for dear life? Not a single top ten entry in a top ten major music market. Nor is it top ten on the Billboard Global 200 while still factoring in its Latin American success. Tl;dr: You lose. Mariah's longevity >
tisthedamnseason Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 5 hours ago, suburbannature said: Now who is moving goalposts? Those are WW album figures because YOU brought up eras. And they show Mariah having FAR better longevity with strong album sellers (19 years of at least 2 million WW compared to 15 for Shakira). In fact, you said she flopped throughout the 2000s and her 2001 Greatest Hits LP outsells every Shakira album but one. Her enormous bomb Charmbracelet? Only one million less than Shakira's third-biggest album sales number. And the WW figures of that Shakira song you're clutching to for dear life? Not a single top ten entry in a top ten major music market. Nor is it top ten on the Billboard Global 200 while still factoring in its Latin American success. Tl;dr: You lose. Mariah's longevity > Te Felicito literally oustreamed any Mariah song ever except for the Christmas one. And "Monotonía" already did more streams than Mariah's entire catalog x10 worldwide in just one day of availability pls Mind you, Shakira debuted the same year as Mariah (1990).
suburbannature Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, tisthedamnseason said: Te Felicito literally oustreamed any Mariah song ever except for the Christmas one. And "Monotonía" already did more streams than Mariah's entire catalog x10 worldwide in just one day of availability pls Mind you, Shakira debuted the same year as Mariah (1990). The making things up
idkwiam Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 Tina Turner smashed and peaked in her third / fourth decade but her career is kinda unique compared to Madonna, Bey, Mariah I think. Anyways thinking that Bey had / has a longer career that Mariah is delusional.
Mystic Boy Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, idkwiam said: Tina Turner smashed and peaked in her third / fourth decade but her career is kinda unique compared to Madonna, Bey, Mariah I think. Anyways thinking that Bey had / has a longer career that Mariah is delusional. But this is exactly what's happening Bee has way more consistancy and longevity with her career.
Mandalay Posted October 21, 2022 Posted October 21, 2022 The obvious flaw in op being not counting the drought of hits in lean years
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