Sesame Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Communion said: Wrong comparison. It's like theorizing that Saudi Arabia likely had something to do with 9/11 - to go off of your chosen event - because most of the people involved were Saudi citizens and it'd require a huge level of logistical failures that several citizens could organize a mass terror attack on another country w/o their country knowing. While here, the Haitian president was factually killed by a group made-up of largely Americans and Colombian citizens. Did the US conspire with this group? Who knows, but feels key to ask why a country is being trusted to organize a "emergency action" about Haiti when they themselves couldn't even prevent some of their own citizens from leaving America, getting into Haiti, and killing the president of another nation without anyone knowing. I mean, really: - US citizens participate in a mercenary assassination of the Haitian president with court filings revealing some kind of link between mercenaries and "US intelligence agencies". - US throws its support behind Ariel Henry who becomes deeply unpopular over the course of 12 months by delaying elections, restructuring the government, and cutting subsidies to basic essentials that result in mass uproar and protests over the impact of quality of life. - US now petitions on Henry's behalf for military intervention due to armed resistance groups demanding Henry step down over a new investigation connecting him to the people who masterminded the assassination of the president in question, and that elections be allowed without foreign interference. Like... America, sis... give it up already. Girl… those articles only added more questions than they answered. It said the two Americans were dual citizens so it’s not like two random ass Americans journeyed down to Haiti to help overthrow the government. The two claiming they were hired to serve as translators for the Columbians, saying they had no idea they were planning on killing Moise, one of them being given an arrest warrant. The rest of the mercenaries were retired Columbian soldiers likely working in the private sector. As for who hired them… I don’t understand what America would have to gain? The police chief formed their own conclusions and all of them sound much more convincing than America putting a puppet in office. Quote Haitian police chief Léon Charles said Haitian national Christian Emmanuel Sanon, who was arrested after the assassination, was a "key suspect" in the case. According to Mr Charles, Mr Sanon hired 26 of the 28-strong hit squad through a Miami-based company called CTU, run by Venezuelan national Tony Intriago. Mr Sanon, he added, was "the first person" that one of the Colombian suspects had called when police surrounded them. Mr Sanon, a 63-year-old doctor who lived in Florida, arrived in Haiti on a private jet in early June with "political motives", Mr Charles said, adding that police had found weapons, ammunition and a Drug Enforcement Administration cap in his possession. The police chief suggested that the Colombians might have been duped by Mr Sanon, who was planning to become Haiti's president. "The initial mission that was given to these assailants was to protect the individual named Emmanuel Sanon, but afterwards the mission changed," he said without clarifying if all or any of the suspects had been briefed about the changes. Another prime suspect, according to Mr Charles, was former Haitian senator John Joel Joseph, who allegedly supplied weapons and planned meetings. He was arrested in January in Jamaica. But still on the run is Joseph Felix Badio, a former official in the justice ministry's anti-corruption unit, also seen as a key suspect in the case. It also says Henry is petitioning for help in controlling the gang violence so that way a new election can happen and would not be affected by it. Plus, it sounds like Henry isn’t even planning to run in the election, so is it not a win for the Haitian people? I understand America is known for its shady meddling in other countries affairs, but here it literally seems like there’s next to no motive.
Communion Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Sesame said: As for who hired them… I don’t understand what America would have to gain? The issue is not America being some expert killer. No one is discussing the idea of American officials in a smokey backroom plotting. If you think that, you're fundamentally misunderstanding the nefariousness in how America exerts its influence where it's not wanted The issue isn't that America sent its citizens to go kill because there's no way to know if they did. It's that it wants to hold a position of global authority when it had no awareness of its own citizens working with mercenaries. Them being "dual citizens" is no excuse. How many Muslim Americans end up on watch lists simply because they hold passports from other countries? 5 hours ago, Sesame said: I don’t understand what America would have to gain? America putting a puppet in office. Again, this is just a fundamental lack of understanding of how US hegemony works in the real world. America doesn't have to plot assassinations for its exerting it's authority in a region it doesn't belong. Henry is by definition a US puppet because it and other nations part of the Core Group petitioned for him to be the new PM. The US is throwing its support behind someone it believes can be sympathetic to their causes if regional influence and trade even when the majority of Haitians apparently don't want him. It's unserious pretend that such politicking isn't nefarious just because there isn't someone twirling a cartoonish mustache. 5 hours ago, Sesame said: It also says Henry is petitioning for help in controlling the gang violence so that way a new election can happen Except this isn't gang violence. It's mass protests. I don't know why it's hard to grasp. Henry had over a year to hold elections. He apparently waited too long and now the people of Haiti want him gone. Going "America, please come kill these thugs and I promise I'll hold them eventually" won't suffice those who he lied to for over a year. If you respect the people of Haiti, there's only clear view to have and it's not the US holding an illegal invasion. Edited October 17, 2022 by Communion
Sesame Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 47 minutes ago, Communion said: The issue is not America being some expert killer. No one is discussing the idea of American officials in a smokey backroom plotting. If you think that, you're fundamentally misunderstanding the nefariousness in how America exerts its influence where it's not wanted The issue isn't that America sent its citizens to go kill because there's no way to know if they did. It's that it wants to hold a position of global authority when it had no awareness of its own citizens working with mercenaries. Them being "dual citizens" is no excuse. How many Muslim Americans end up on watch lists simply because they hold passports from other countries? Again, this is just a fundamental lack of understanding of how US hegemony works in the real world. America doesn't have to plot assassinations for its exerting it's authority in a region it doesn't belong. Henry is by definition a US puppet because it and other nations part of the Core Group petitioned for him to be the new PM. The US is throwing its support behind someone it believes can be sympathetic to their causes if regional influence and trade even when the majority of Haitians apparently don't want him. It's unserious pretend that such politicking isn't nefarious just because there isn't someone twirling a cartoonish mustache. Except this isn't gang violence. It's mass protests. I don't know why it's hard to grasp. Henry had over a year to hold elections. He apparently waited too long and now the people of Haiti want him gone. Going "America, please come kill these thugs and I promise I'll hold them eventually" won't suffice those who he lied to for over a year. If you respect the people of Haiti, there's only clear view to have and it's not the US holding an illegal invasion. Quote It's that it wants to hold a position of global authority when it had no awareness of its own citizens working with mercenaries. This makes no sense to me. How would America be monitoring or even aware of this, especially when the interpreters claimed they didn’t even know the real intent of the mercenaries. Terrorist/Shooter watchlists are much easier to construct, and it’s a little ridiculous to compare the two. You’re also complaining about America putting people on watchlists based on their country of origin, but at the same time are upset the Haitian translators weren’t having their activity monitored? Quote It's mass protests. I don't know why it's hard to grasp. Henry had over a year to hold elections. He apparently waited too long and now the people of Haiti want him gone. Except the protests started literally hours after Moise’s death as a result of the power Vacuum?
Communion Posted October 17, 2022 Posted October 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Sesame said: You’re also complaining about America putting people on watchlists Yeah, at this point you're just carrying water, sis. What are you doing? Observation =/= complaining. I can think the factual existance of American surveillance state is wrong AND also think America is lying, as they've done historically, when they claim to have had no way of stopping horrific events. That you think this is wild is either indicative of being naive or dishonest. "But the mercenaries said they had no idea! But Henry said he wants elections!". Newsflash, people lie. and it doesn't matter if you or I believe or don't believe when it is clear that the Haitian people hold little to no trust of this government. 10 hours ago, Sesame said: Except the protests started literally hours after Moise’s death as a result of the power Vacuum? Of course Haitians have been protesting since the power vacuum - they were also protesting the previous president. And these protests flaired up even more when Henry cut oil subsidies. And they've now gotten even worse that he doubled down that gas prices will not drop and he will delay elections until the protests stop. The Haitian people have been protesting, yes. Wanna know the through-line in these protests?
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