discussion Donald Trump Has Highest Approval Of Any American Politician

[Communion]

45 minutes ago, Marvin said:

Democrats really do need to improve their messaging but it’s amazing how Republicans can basically do nothing (or even actively harm the country) and still be seen as the better party. 

The reality is that neither party is popular because they have too many similar overlaps:

 

 

Party most trusted to handle:
Abortion - Democrats - 38$
Climate Change - Neither - 38%
COVID-19 - Democrats - 36%
Gun Violence - Democrats - 34%
Immigration - Republicans - 37%
Taxes - Neither - 35%
Russia/Ukraine - Neither - 36%
Economy - Republican - 34%
Gas Prices - Neither - 37%
Inflation - Neither - 36%
Crime - Neither - 35%

 

Democrats' lack of economic message that differentiates them in meaningful ways from Republicans is where Democrats just truly set themselves to fall to a weak enemy. Biden's approvals are improving solely thanks to things like student debt forgiveness. It's like they see the signs but refuse to act. 

 

[Distantconstellation]

51 minutes ago, heckinglovato said:

Buttigieg should run instead of Biden in 2024

No he damn shouldnt. U just want him to run because hes Gay. He has **** policies. We dont need another corporate dem to run 

[anti-bitch]

Dems will vote defensively again, @ClashAndBurn. And so in that sense, like you've said, Joe Biden is our only hope.

[ClashAndBurn]

7 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

Dems will vote defensively again, @ClashAndBurn. And so in that sense, like you've said, Joe Biden is our only hope.

Again. Donald Trump is the most beloved politician in the country. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are among the most hated. Georgia and Arizona will not vote for Joe Biden again, and Wisconsin is looking to re-elect Ron Johnson so they have a good chance to not vote for him in the Electoral College either. “Defensive voting” means nothing when Democrats have isolated themselves to coastal cities in New York and California, and thus have self-neutered their own electoral power.

 

You commenting on our politics from the relative safety of the European Union does not change any of that.

[anti-bitch]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Again. Donald Trump is the most beloved politician in the country. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are among the most hated. Georgia and Arizona will not vote for Joe Biden again, and Wisconsin is looking to re-elect Ron Johnson so they have a good chance to not vote for him in the Electoral College either. “Defensive voting” means nothing when Democrats have isolated themselves to coastal cities in New York and California, and thus have self-neutered their own electoral power.

 

You commenting on our politics from the relative safety of the European Union does not change any of that.

Living on the outside doesn't disqualify me from commenting on it. I just don't like how you are spreading this doom and gloom for Dems every day. Let's at least see through the midterms that what happens.

[ClashAndBurn]

11 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

Living on the outside doesn't disqualify me from commenting on it. I just don't like how you are spreading this doom and gloom for Dems every day. Let's at least see through the midterms that what happens.

Your insistence that Dems will vote defensively for Joe Biden when millions are blaming him for inflation and expressing deep buyers’ remorse by elevating Trump (who was the most hated politician two years ago during COVID) to being the most beloved politician in the entire country. It’s just… not realistic. At all.

 

And if anything, Independents will be voting defensively against another Biden term because he’s perceived to be WAY too old and out of touch with the world around him. You seem to be intentionally omitting that group when you talk solely about Democrats rallying to support him.

[anti-bitch]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Your insistence that Dems will vote defensively for Joe Biden when millions are blaming him for inflation and expressing deep buyers’ remorse by elevating Trump (who was the most hated politician two years ago during COVID) to being the most beloved politician in the entire country. It’s just… not realistic. At all.

 

And if anything, Independents will be voting defensively against another Biden term because he’s perceived to be WAY too old and out of touch with the world around him. You seem to be intentionally omitting that group when you talk solely about Democrats rallying to support him.

I don't doubt you insight. Let's just see what happens. At least I want Joe Biden to win again, no matter what. The partial student loan forgiveness was a good thing, as well as the decrim and pardons for marijuana use. If I was him I'd close the Southern border. Immigration should be allowed but it has to happen in a controlled manner.

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

I don't doubt you insight. Let's just see what happens. At least I want Joe Biden to win again, no matter what. The partial student loan forgiveness was a good thing, as well as the decrim and pardons for marijuana use. If I was him I'd close the Southern border. Immigration should be allowed but it has to happen in a controlled manner.

...it's literally closed due to COVID, including to asylum seekers *already*. What? 

[Breathe On Moi]

I do love all the pessimism in here tbh. That’s the only reason why things started to go in Dems’ favor recently.

 

The more pessimism and the more “yes trump will win! yes the republicans will win!” the better imo 

[anti-bitch]

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

...it's literally closed due to COVID, including to asylum seekers *already*. What? 

I mean that there's been 2 million border control encounters to date this year. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

And the rate of expulsions was 36% in August. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/19/u-s-mexico-border-arrests-record-2022/#:~:text=About 36% of the 203%2C598 migrant “encounters” resulted in an expulsion last month%2C down from 83% when Biden took office.

So it's not 100% closed in that sense.

[katara]

Americans need to remove those worms out of their brains

[Communion]

1 minute ago, anti-***** said:

I mean that there's been 2 million border control encounters to date this year. 

....yes, which is what signifies the border is closed. What do you think a closed border would mean? America is not some tiny island in the middle of nowhere. The Mexican-US border is a main point of commerce.

 

It seems like you're operating on definitions that don't match the reality within America.

 

1) Encounters =/= apprehensions. Encounters include apprehensions but also include things like Ukrainian refugees flown into San Diego airport that, for some reason, get special exemption from Title 42.  

 

From the own link you provided on "encounters":

2019: 1,148,024
2020: 683,178
2021: 1,956,519
2022: 2,493,721

 

This numbers don't represent individuals - they represent instances. So now tell me what you think is going to happen when someone who'd be initially processed *once* because asylum at a port of entry was previously legal now has to cross 5+ times to try and apply because most asylum has been criminalized?

 

 

Countless border encounters are largely the same people crossing over, being stopped and sent back, crossing over again, etc. This is a product of Biden leaving in place the racist Title 42 policy that Trump implemented under COVID to make asylum de-facto illegal.

 

 

2) You quote this:

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The latest figures show the percentage of people crossing the border expelled under Title 42 has been falling and remains far lower under Biden than President Donald Trump. About 36% of the 203,598 migrant “encounters” resulted in an expulsion last month, down from 83% when Biden took office.

Do you understand why expulsions would fall by percentage when Title 42 is slowly being dismantled by immigration lawyers in courts and slowly rolling back the unethical criminalization of asylum? 

 

 

Of course expulsions are going to fall when less and less types of crossings are considered illegal - because we are slowly ending the reality that Trump and centrist Democrats left us in trying to make asylum de-facto illegal.

 

You trying to double-down and defend GOP talking points on immigration shows the failure of Democrats' liberalism because the reality is the entire sense of the border being overwhelmed is artificial and self-imposed, while their failure to actually promote progressive economic messaging that holds corporations accountable leaves wide open space for Republicans to fuel xenophobia and faux-populist nativism.

 

I mean, the only way centrist Dems know how to talk about more jobs is through racist fear-mongering.

 

 

[anti-bitch]

Thanks for explaining the significance of Title 42 in these numbers, @Communion. I genuinely didn't know about it. Joe should erase it from the law.

[ClashAndBurn]

26 minutes ago, Communion said:

....yes, which is what signifies the border is closed. What do you think a closed border would mean? America is not some tiny island in the middle of nowhere. The Mexican-US border is a main point of commerce.

 

It seems like you're operating on definitions that don't match the reality within America.

 

1) Encounters =/= apprehensions. Encounters include apprehensions but also include things like Ukrainian refugees flown into San Diego airport that, for some reason, get special exemption from Title 42.  

 

From the own link you provided on "encounters":

2019: 1,148,024
2020: 683,178
2021: 1,956,519
2022: 2,493,721

 

This numbers don't represent individuals - they represent instances. So now tell me what you think is going to happen when someone who'd be initially processed *once* because asylum at a port of entry was previously legal now has to cross 5+ times to try and apply because most asylum has been criminalized?

 

 

Countless border encounters are largely the same people crossing over, being stopped and sent back, crossing over again, etc. This is a product of Biden leaving in place the racist Title 42 policy that Trump implemented under COVID to make asylum de-facto illegal.

 

 

2) You quote this:

Do you understand why expulsions would fall by percentage when Title 42 is slowly being dismantled by immigration lawyers in courts and slowly rolling back the unethical criminalization of asylum? 

 

 

Of course expulsions are going to fall when less and less types of crossings are considered illegal - because we are slowly ending the reality that Trump and centrist Democrats left us in trying to make asylum de-facto illegal.

 

You trying to double-down and defend GOP talking points on immigration shows the failure of Democrats' liberalism because the reality is the entire sense of the border being overwhelmed is artificial and self-imposed, while their failure to actually promote progressive economic messaging that holds corporations accountable leaves wide open space for Republicans to fuel xenophobia and faux-populist nativism.

 

I mean, the only way centrist Dems know how to talk about more jobs is through racist fear-mongering.

 

 

Closed border effectively means we need to build Trump's stupid wall. Which... Biden is also doing anyway  

[MonsterJohn]

(white) Americans are stupid and/or evil, so no surprise here

[GhostBox]

new poll numbers for Biden ?

[midnightdawn]

8 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Seems he will be re-elected in two years, I’m afraid.

Not necessarily. He has the same net favorability as Cruz, Sanders. 47% is a high unfavourability rating. I notice they didn't include possible candidates like Pete on the list.

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, midnightdawn said:

Not necessarily. He has the same net favorability as Cruz, Sanders. 47% is a high unfavourability rating. I notice they didn't include possible candidates like Pete on the list.

He's breaking even, while Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are underwater. Buttigieg has zero black support so he's not worth even looking at as a future contender  

[midnightdawn]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

He's breaking even, while Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are underwater. Buttigieg has zero black support so he's not worth even looking at as a future contender  

Biden and Harris are in office. Of course they have low approvals and get blamed for everything like Obama did when he was facing re-election. If anything Trump should be doing way better now that he's out of office. Even Pence and DeSantis have better net ratings than him.

[GhostBox]

6 hours ago, GhostBox said:

RealClearPolitics overall approval ratings

 

Biden -  43.1%/53.2%

trump - 41.1%/56.1%

Now it’s 

Biden - 43.6%/53.3%
trump - 41.1%/56.1%

?

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, midnightdawn said:

Biden and Harris are in office. Of course they have low approvals and get blamed for everything like Obama did when he was facing re-election. If anything Trump should be doing way better now that he's out of office. Even Pence and DeSantis have better net ratings than him.

Pence and DeSantis have more undecideds due to not being as universally recognized, whereas Trump is loathed by nearly the entire Democratic Party. The EXCUSES you're making to justify this absolute cope  

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

Sadly I see Trump winning again in 2024. Will be horrible for America but I have mentally accepted that this is likely coming since 2021. Trump will never be held accountable for a damn thing.  
 

The only reason Trump would lose in 2024 is if democrats carry on an effective “vote for anyone but trump” campaign honestly

[La Reina]

People here still trying to make Pete Buttegieg happen. My god.