news Hundreds of Muslims protest the use of LGBTQ books in Michigan School board meeting.

[FightForTanas]

33 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

I said LGBT community shouldnt look for approval from muslims. What I meant is that we should accept each others existence. The same narrative can be applied from a muslims perspective. You shouldn't respect it actually. Tolerating something doesnt equal you respect it. And that Sweden stat is actually true. Actually a lot of the white population in Sweden is increasingly converting to Islam and many Churches are being used as mosques now there. ITs not to fear monger lol

Thats funny because we arent expected to tolerate psycho Christians in the US attacking the LGBTQ community but we have to tolerate psycho muslim people  attacking us or else we are racist? NO.  

[Delirious]

But anyways it’s so funny how @Communioncalled me ‘Xi Jin ping’ a week ago and here he is self identifying as a communist lol.

 

isn’t that just ******* rich?

 

i love how everyone who tries to call me out are extremely problematic 

 

makes discussions much easier for me

[Luckitty]

3 hours ago, CaptainMusic said:

’m just confused as to why you think a gay guy being bullied by a Muslim is anything to joke about when it actually does happen due to homophobia and would if anything prove the point many in this thread are saying but ok.

maybe it's time to start therapy

 

or maybe touch grass idk

[Weld_E]

17 hours ago, Luckitty said:

the fact that he follows anti-muslim subreddits  very weird behavior 

It’s not weird at all, if anything it gives him more authority and validity to speak on the issue than you.

[Weld_E]

44 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

maybe it's time to start therapy

 

or maybe touch grass idk

Or maybe you should refrain from commenting on topics that are clearly beyond your intellect level

 

or maybe just stfu idk

[Weld_E]

The deflection in this thread from insulting and name calling the OP, to bringing up homophobic christians, to throwing the word Islamaphobia everywhere… anything EXCEPT commenting on the OP’s content

[Gottasadae]

20 hours ago, shinyshimmery said:

Well, they have another country to call home if they dislike the US. Start packing and leave ✌?

Several points were made 

[Cloudy]

1 hour ago, Weld_E said:

The deflection in this thread from insulting and name calling the OP, to bringing up homophobic christians, to throwing the word Islamaphobia everywhere… anything EXCEPT commenting on the OP’s content

It's what two of those users are notorious for, anything but commenting on the OP at hand. You know had this been white christians Communion would have broken a heel running to make it a thread about it, meanwhile you know he wouldn't touch a thread like this kind at all (and again I literally couldn't care about white evangelicals at all, they are the same as the muslims in the op)

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Weld_E said:

The deflection in this thread from insulting and name calling the OP, to bringing up homophobic christians, to throwing the word Islamaphobia everywhere… anything EXCEPT commenting on the OP’s content

 

1 hour ago, Cloudy said:

It's what two of those users are notorious for, anything but commenting on the OP at hand. You know had this been white christians Communion would have broken a heel running to make it a thread about it, meanwhile you know he wouldn't touch a thread like this kind at all (and again I literally couldn't care about white evangelicals at all, they are the same as the muslims in the op)

You're both legitimately insane and made uncredible by these jokes of a post. 

 

Myself and others have literally written pages about the content of the post in the OP. 

 

The way the OP can't use his resentment as an ex-Muslim for political analysis, your desire to make your resentments to users who you have "beef" (lol???) with is not political analysis.

 

People have written at length about how this is a conservative-organized protest meant to try and align conservative members of the Christian and Muslim community in Michigan. You think people are denying there are conservative Muslims because no one who wants to help reform Islam into being less conservative is interested in attacking it as somehow irredeemably conservative.  You're literally mad that the answer by most American progressives is to go "well let's dismantle conservatism" instead of "let's dismantle Islam". It's WEIRD.

 

"If this was white Christians" - it IS white Christians, are you illiterate? And where in threads about Evangelical protestors do people make the discussion about the tenets of Christianity as a faith? You see the contradiction right - you claim to hate religion so much but you're mad not enough people want to have theological discussions. You're mad we're more concerned about right-wing political organizers than about having a philosophical discussion about the theological concepts of Islam as a faith. 

 

But apparently if we're not waxing poetics about if the theological tenets of Islam are wrong or right, it's apparently "deflection". This is so deeply unserious and out of your depth. 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Communion

[Scars]

1 hour ago, Weld_E said:

The deflection in this thread from insulting and name calling the OP, to bringing up homophobic christians, to throwing the word Islamaphobia everywhere… anything EXCEPT commenting on the OP’s content

White christian republicans factually helped to organize the protest posted by OP and there were many christian republicans also there. Why shouldn't people bring that up to discuss what happened? Just because those facts weren't mentioned by who created the thread doesn't change reality. 

 

Maybe more people would've simply condemned what happened without feeling the need to discuss the rampant islamophobia, racism and xenophobia on this site if some members didn't feel like specifically telling brown muslim americans to "leave the country" and "go back to where they came from", regardless of their nationality or citizenship status, at every chance they get. 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Scars

[Scars]

5 hours ago, tellem said:

They are American citizens and what they’re saying is exactly what many prominent republican politicians (and their voters) believe as well.

Telling them to “go back” makes absolutely no sense at all. It’s just xenophobia 

Yes. The way there's users here that seem to be outraged because people are pointing out the obvious to anyone with common sense and not blinded by their anger against muslims. 

 

Some people here are so disingenuous to the point they want others to believe their false idea that America and other western countries are some sort of post-discrimination, minority haven places that are being destroyed by evil brown muslim citizens, therefore muslim americans need to be strip off their citizen rights and "leave the country!" to apparently "end religious extremism in America", so when we say "that doesn't really make sense because white christians still make up the largest demographic among homophobes systematically going after the rights of the queer community in the US", they get angry because the racism and xenophobia behind their reasoning becomes as clear as day. 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Scars

[CaptainMusic]

54 minutes ago, Cloudy said:

It's what two of those users are notorious for, anything but commenting on the OP at hand. You know had this been white christians Communion would have broken a heel running to make it a thread about it, meanwhile you know he wouldn't touch a thread like this kind at all (and again I literally couldn't care about white evangelicals at all, they are the same as the muslims in the op)

Yeah and as predicted a certain member always resorts to name calling and condescending essays with “   and “  used throughout to try and fail to prove their point.  

[Communion]

44 minutes ago, Scars said:

Yes. The way there's users here that seem to be outraged because people are pointing out the obvious to anyone with common sense and not blinded by their anger against muslims. 

 

Some people here are so disingenuous to the point they want others to believe their false idea that America and other western countries are some sort of post-discrimination, minority haven places that are being destroyed by evil brown muslim citizens, therefore muslim americans need to be strip off their citizen rights and "leave the country!", so when we say "well, actually, white christians still make up the largest demographic among homophobes systematically going after the rights of the queer community in the US", they get angry because the racism and xenophobia behind their reasoning becomes as clear as day. 

The irony being that most of these members are European nationals who are just saying what they think - that those born in a country can be denied citizenship if the "wrong" religion (or more importantly - "wrong" race). And of course European progressives rightfully call out their nonsense, but the sheer ignorance to how long these communities have lived in Dearborn is... 

 

You can tell that, despite a random Middle America town being the subject in question, the context most are speaking on it is not an American context given the reality of birthright citizenship. Anyone shouting "go back to your home!" then about *historical communities* are either outright racists who disagree with birthright citizenship or copt to being ignorant or racist and assuming anyone Muslim within the US was not born here.

 

Poll after poll shows that your average Muslim American is to the left of Evangelical Americans and Mormon Americans - two groups who are overtly Republican-supporting. Yet most of the discussions on those groups largely focus on political groups organizing under the guise of the faith; not an examination of their faith's religious tenets. Evangelicals get to be "extreme" versions of Christians without inspiring conversations of if Christianity is compatible with society. But the existence of conservative Muslims - even when Muslim Americans are to the left of Evangelicals - means we then have to sit in a circle and admit "Islam bad!" in the face of political organizing.

 

Even when Muslim Americans are found to be more progressive on abortion than mainline Catholics.

 

The irony being that the existence of Mormons, Evangelicals and Catholics largely being self-identified conservatives doesn't see progressive groups then preaching being anti-Mormon, anti-Catholic, etc. Progressives literally try to win these groups over and convince them their religion would want them to be more progressive!

 

Yet again this is likely a difference between actually being an Atheist because one simply doesn't believe there is a God and being anti a religion because members of that religion were mean and cruel. Which of course deserves empathy and understanding, but the way so many people's posts are just "I hate Islam for having this CONSERVATIVE view so I feel I have the right to have this different CONSERVATIVE view about Islam!!!". 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Communion

[shinyshimmery]

23 minutes ago, Scars said:

Yes. The way there's users here that seem to be outraged because people are pointing out the obvious to anyone with common sense and not blinded by their anger against muslims. 

 

Some people here are so disingenuous to the point they want others to believe their false idea that America and other western countries are some sort of post-discrimination, minority haven places that are being destroyed by evil brown muslim citizens, therefore muslim americans need to be strip off their citizen rights and "leave the country!" to apparently "end religious extremism in America", so when we say "that doesn't really make sense because white christians still make up the largest demographic among homophobes systematically going after the rights of the queer community in the US", they get angry because the racism and xenophobia behind their reasoning becomes as clear as day. 

You’re trying so hard to be right. Yes, religious extremists are protected here in the US, period. No one is arguing that point. What people are saying is that religious extremism has no place in America. Not all citizens should follow what the Bible or Quran says. Do you know what right vs wrong is?

 

You sound like the people who do absolutely nothing when they see an elderly person getting robbed right next to them. No one cares about history when these people are trying to change the future. 

[Luckitty]

2 hours ago, Weld_E said:

Or maybe you should refrain from commenting on topics that are clearly beyond your intellect level

 

or maybe just stfu idk

typical atrler trying to silence poc voices

 

unfortunately for you i'm not gonna stfu, so what are you gonna do about it  are you gonna call the kkk on me?

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, shinyshimmery said:

What people are saying is that religious extremism has no place in America.

Prevent these awful conservatives from harming LGBT people by voting for MI-12's progressive Muslim legislator:

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Communion

[A.R.L]

If anyone needs therapy - mental help - it is the people who are interfering in the lives of others, not the ones who only want to be themselves and address the problem faced by most homosexuals. 

 

LGBT people in America are fighting Christian extremist groups, so the last thing they want are other extremist groups of Muslims who bring their ideology from another part of the world to make it more difficult for them as these Muslims still do back home. 

 

Seriously, what's wrong with conservative Christians in America? I mean calm the f**k down . Things like that will only give a lot of people with a hidden agenda to take advantage of the situation. Anyway, the local authrotities should never accept their demands which would be a slap in the face for these protests.

 

Children need to be aware of different sexual orientations that will help them choose freely and differently what they want or respect others to do so. 

 

I cannot believe people are spreading hate based on the teachings of some books from the 7th century and earlier. 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by A.R.L

[Weld_E]

And the deflection continues lol

 

It’s really frustrating seeing so many westerners bend backwards to justify and defend these actions when some Muslim countries are taking more aggressive measures to erase and silence any sort of acceptance of the LGBTQA community.

[Communion]

14 minutes ago, Weld_E said:

to justify and defend 

 

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/rashida22?refcode=web-en-takeover&amount=5&express_lane=true

#VoteTlaib to protect LGBT people in Dearborn, Michigan  

Edited October 16, 2022 by Communion

[KatyPrismSpirit]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Prevent these awful conservatives from harming LGBT people by voting for MI-12's progressive Muslim legislator:

 

 

this isnt a muslim lol. like i said. shes has an Arab name and muslim background but ideologically she is not a muslim. stop this nonsense please jesus

[VOSS]

Stuff like this makes me nervous with our current Supreme Court which is seemingly intent on prioritizing religious liberty over all else

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

this isnt a muslim 

idk sounds fake!

 

 

#VoteRashida

[KatyPrismSpirit]

"Progressive muslim" is a terminology that doesn't even exist and entirely contradicts itself. Every "progressive muslim" you see is simply a liberal who has a muslim background and idc what anybody else has to say. Like this can be so easily refuted.

 

How can an ideology even be progressive that is entirely and solely based on a literary piece that is 1400 years old and the teaching of a prophet from a specific timeframe. Muslims claim Islam is timeless and can be implemented in any timeframe. Hence to why terms like conservative and progressive muslims are moronic. These liberal terms cant be applied to muslims.

[#Beautiful]

im not gonna say a word but mmmhmm

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Just now, Communion said:

idk sounds fake!

 

 

#VoteRashida

They aren't muslims... Ilhan Omar is a liberal with a muslim background. Just because she wears a headscarf and fasts doesnt mean she is a muslim.

 

A muslim is someone who submits to the teachings of the Quran. Ilhan Omar puts in efforts for mostly leftist liberal ideologies. A muslim is someone who puts in the effort to enforce Shariah law. Ilhan Omar doesnt do that and Rashida Tlaib inherently contradicts this. Why is this a hard concept to accept for democrats? Why do democrats want muslims on their side so badly when its so clear as day that ideologically liberalism and Islam are entirely different? You cant even merge the two. I bet the Alex Kane person cant even define Islam so its not a credible source. Ask literally any Islamic imam or something if what it is that they seek to implement in the governance is even close to Islam.