discussion Biden: ''Trans women must sign up for military draft.''

[John Slayne]

49 minutes ago, FreeXone said:

Like I said. Signing up for the draft and getting selected are two diff things. I don’t agree with the draft but at the same time if they started coming over here we’ll…:we’d all have to fight anyways? Lol

ok so you agree, this rule is stupid then

 

if you'd all have to fight anyway then just cancel it

[Protocol]

2 hours ago, John Slayne said:

Ok and? Mandatory draft is bs anyway, why should anyone be forced to fight a war without their consent? 

 

But also, this is the same stupid argument people use against trans people accessing spaces that align with their gender. For one, it really doesn't happen as often as transphobic media make it seem, and two, if someone wants to avoid draft so badly they will find one way or another... Look at Russia, people are breaking their arms or even leaving the country just to avoid the draft. You think the fact that they can't use the trans excuse will stop them? Please. 

 

It's just othering of a minority for no real reason, just like all discrimination against transgender people. Abolishing the mandatory draft is the only solution to draft inequality.

If China and Russia decided to invade the US, you would be drafted. "Equality", "equity", "fairness", all are irrelevant when the state and its leaders are threatened. You will be expendable and the media that you watch now will justify your enslavement and murder.

[John Slayne]

8 minutes ago, Protocol said:

If China and Russia decided to invade the US, you would be drafted. "Equality", "equity", "fairness", all are irrelevant when the state and its leaders are threatened. You will be expendable and the media that you watch now will justify your enslavement and murder.

I'm not from the US, but also I'm not delusional? Like I am aware of this, but that doesn't mean it's right or that we shouldn't call it out, so I don't understand the point of your comment

[Protocol]

Just now, John Slayne said:

I'm not from the US, but also I'm not delusional? Like I am aware of this, but that doesn't mean it's right or that we shouldn't call it out, so I don't understand the point of your comment

It is useless to call it out. Nothing will ever change. All you can do is have multiple passports and be ready to be mobile.

[AlanRickman1946]

7 hours ago, Mobility Mary said:

But they are biologically stronger than women, just because there are exceptions it doesn't change anything. You might be weak, but you would still be stronger than an average woman with the same amount of training you would get before being sent off to fight. And where are those equal rights people are talking about? Women still earn less than men for the same positions, they are still by far the most common victims of domestic abuse and rape, they commit way less violent crimes like rape, murders or abuse, there are still way more women doing sex "work", they are still the ones being forced or pressured into accepting violent kinks to not be seen as prudes even tho it's almost always the men who are into harming their sex partner, they are still objectified and sexualised from a very young age (like teaching girls who are still children to shave their bodies or 'teen' being the most popular porn category) in the way men aren't in all the possible areas from porn to movies to shows to music to magazines to commercials to their jobs, they are still the ones spending way more time taking care of children even in households where both of the parents work full time, they still don't hold the same political power that men do (and men are thr ones starting these wars as well), they are still put under pressure to shave their bodies, dress up, wear makeup etc.

I understand the frustration, cause there are men who don't have a bizarre obsession with violence like many men do (I'd like to believe a lot of us gays are like that) and wouldn't even get in a physical fight, let alone go fight a war, but drafting women as well is not a fair solution. If all these things magically change one day, then maybe we can talk about women also getting drafted, but until then it would be ridiculous to go through with this idea.

[GraceRandolph]

He needs to go in 2024.

[GhostBox]

26 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

He needs to go in 2024.

Back to the whitehouse… yup I agree ??????

[FightForTanas]

I mean its not like they would make them join the men but I understand the reasons why.

[FreeXone]

8 hours ago, Mobility Mary said:

But they are biologically stronger than women, just because there are exceptions it doesn't change anything. You might be weak, but you would still be stronger than an average woman with the same amount of training you would get before being sent off to fight. And where are those equal rights people are talking about? Women still earn less than men for the same positions, they are still by far the most common victims of domestic abuse and rape, they commit way less violent crimes like rape, murders or abuse, there are still way more women doing sex "work", they are still the ones being forced or pressured into accepting violent kinks to not be seen as prudes even tho it's almost always the men who are into harming their sex partner, they are still objectified and sexualised from a very young age (like teaching girls who are still children to shave their bodies or 'teen' being the most popular porn category) in the way men aren't in all the possible areas from porn to movies to shows to music to magazines to commercials to their jobs, they are still the ones spending way more time taking care of children even in households where both of the parents work full time, they still don't hold the same political power that men do (and men are thr ones starting these wars as well), they are still put under pressure to shave their bodies, dress up, wear makeup etc.

I understand the frustration, cause there are men who don't have a bizarre obsession with violence like many men do (I'd like to believe a lot of us gays are like that) and wouldn't even get in a physical fight, let alone go fight a war, but drafting women as well is not a fair solution. If all these things magically change one day, then maybe we can talk about women also getting drafted, but until then it would be ridiculous to go through with this idea.

Meehhh it isn’t 1964 anymore. Wars aren’t fought like they used to be. Way more tactical and a lot less feet on the ground. There are many other uses women could be viable outside of hand to hand combat. But I mean let’s be honest. Once them nukes go off it doesn’t matter. We all are dead anyways. 
 

it’s why I never see a true world war 3 happening. Will be many many many quasi wars like we are seeing in Ukraine. Only way I see it happening is war over resources when global warming starts kicking ur ass. Like water and oil wars

[Literature]

They need an ATRL mod in the white house to hand Biden a ZTP and teach him the error of his ways  

[AlanRickman1946]

8 hours ago, FreeXone said:

Meehhh it isn’t 1964 anymore. Wars aren’t fought like they used to be. Way more tactical and a lot less feet on the ground. There are many other uses women could be viable outside of hand to hand combat. But I mean let’s be honest. Once them nukes go off it doesn’t matter. We all are dead anyways. 
 

it’s why I never see a true world war 3 happening. Will be many many many quasi wars like we are seeing in Ukraine. Only way I see it happening is war over resources when global warming starts kicking ur ass. Like water and oil wars

 

 

Maybe as medics. Like this woman (people say she is a health care worker)

 

[A.R.L]

It's giving a notorious, cruel, narrow-minded and malicious dictator. 

 

[Totami Legend]

On 10/11/2022 at 10:06 AM, Martyr Of Fame said:

Everyone (or preferably no one) should have to sign up

this.  if we can't stop having wars just kill the entire human race once and for all 

[JustHoran]

On 10/11/2022 at 5:20 AM, NausAllien said:

This is awful. Trans women are women. If women aren't forced to sign up, trans women shouldn't be either.

 

 

[RunUpDoneUp]

The draft is such a funny thing to see people fight over. If you support the draft at all, it should be for everyone.

 

If you don't support the draft(like me) then this is just a free backseat ride to sit back and laugh at the hair tossing shenanigans as they unfold.

[Feather]

So trans woman have to sign up because they were “born male”? What about trans male then?

[Dula Peep]

Women should be drafted as well… equality 

[PoisonPill]

On 10/11/2022 at 4:33 AM, pierreleswiftie said:

This makes sense otherwise a lot of people would all come out as transgender to avoid military draft.

When the draft was still active, young men would pretend to be gay in order to get out of enlistment.

[pierreleswiftie]

2 hours ago, Feather said:

So trans woman have to sign up because they were “born male”? What about trans male then?

They don't have to because they were born females. It's also weird that women don't have to sign up unlike France and south korea.

[Lil Mxnster]

On 10/11/2022 at 10:33 AM, pierreleswiftie said:

This makes sense otherwise a lot of people would all come out as transgender to avoid military draft.

 

Serving women would abort 24/7 if that human right was approved 

[pierreleswiftie]

4 minutes ago, Lil Mxnster said:

 

Serving women would abort 24/7 if that human right was approved 

But women who serves actually want to be in it versus men that have to do it because it's mandatory.

[CottageHore]

On 10/11/2022 at 3:37 AM, CaptainMusic said:

They could still exclude all trans women who came out as trans beforehand to avoid that though.

 

How would that ever be able to be measured/determined though?

 

Nobody should HAVE to sign up for any military draft, except for the pro-war republicans who talk about how important it is that we defend this country. By all means- go ahead!

[loveisdead9582]

I… well, I don’t agree with the draft at all. I do think that it’s kind of a precautionary measure to make sure that individuals don’t try to pretend that they’re trans to avoid it if necessary. I feel like there’d be some sort of interview process or something to show if you’ve actually been on hormones and/or gone through the full transition process. That said, if we absolutely HAVE to draft people, I feel like everyone in the age range should be “eligible” to be drafted. Male, female, non binary, etc. Either everyone is eligible or no one is. 

[brooklyndaddy]

On 10/11/2022 at 4:44 AM, Miracle said:

This is disgusting. What the hell is this? This is literally saying transgender women are not real women

 

 

It is saying they are males. Which is different. At birth they are, yes. 

[BOOMBAYAH]

On 10/11/2022 at 9:06 AM, Martyr Of Fame said:

Everyone (or preferably no one) should have to sign up

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