katykater Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 He is repeating the law as it is today: Quote Selective Service bases the registration requirement on gender assigned at birth. According to the SSS, individuals who are born male and changed their gender to female are required to register while individuals who are born female and changed their gender to male are not required to register.[60] It might change in the future when an amendment is passed. Quote A congressionally mandated commission recommended in March 2020 that women should be eligible for the draft.[61] In September 2021, the House of Representatives passed the annual Defense Authorization Act, which included an amendment that stated that "all Americans between the ages of 18 and 25 must register for selective service." This struck off the word "Male" which extended a potential draft to women; however, the amendment was removed before the National Defense Authorization Act was passed.[62][63][64]
GhostBox Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 4:33 AM, pierreleswiftie said: This makes sense otherwise a lot of people would all come out as transgender to avoid military draft. Yup
GhostBox Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 Men and women both should be drafted. Sorry. NO woman’s life is more important than mine ?
Protocol Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 America is such a garbage country. Europe and Canada >>>>
Kamil24 Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 I mean, it should be fair. I don't think anyone should be required to sign up.... but it should be either everyone, or no one.
Cheers Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 To be fair it says "sign up for draft." Transwomen will probably be rejected from actually serving if they get drafted.
GhostBox Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 10 hours ago, katykater said: He is repeating the law as it is today: It might change in the future when an amendment is passed. Exactly
Fruity Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 9:44 AM, Miracle said: This is disgusting. What the hell is this? This is literally saying transgender women are not real women Are you that surprised? Lots of people think this..
gatito Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 not the atrl far right showing its true colors
Protocol Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Kamil24 said: I mean, it should be fair. I don't think anyone should be required to sign up.... but it should be either everyone, or no one. In a troops on the ground war it will always be male soldiers vs male soldiers. Soldiers are meant to have a certain level of fitness, agility, strength, when put through training women will never match the men, it’s biology. Same reason high school boys beat women’s World Cup soccer winners. If you actually want to win a war, you need men on the ground shooting at each other. A war is by its very nature a destructive, anti-humanity event that subjugates personal freedom and well-being to the survival of the government apparatus and its leaders, so ideals of equality or whatever are totally out of place. It’s like saying that people should be equitably murdered.
Kamil24 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Protocol said: In a troops on the ground war it will always be male soldiers vs male soldiers. Soldiers are meant to have a certain level of fitness, agility, strength, when put through training women will never match the men, it’s biology. Same reason high school boys beat women’s World Cup soccer winners. If you actually want to win a war, you need men on the ground shooting at each other. A war is by its very nature a destructive, anti-humanity event that subjugates personal freedom and well-being to the survival of the government apparatus and its leaders, so ideals of equality or whatever are totally out of place. It’s like saying that people should be equitably murdered. I agree with all that. I still think everyone (or no one) should be required to sign up, since that doesn't actually mean they'll be sent to war. When drafted they will all be examined and tested, and only the strongest and most fit will be sent to war; i.e., mostly men, because yes it's biology. A few woman will probably make it in as well, but not much.
rivers Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 Can someone point to me where Biden is actually quoted saying this? I only see it in the sss website which doesn’t equal Biden saying it. I’m not defending him at all but at least be honest
AlanRickman1946 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, rivers said: Can someone point to me where Biden is actually quoted saying this? I only see it in the sss website which doesn’t equal Biden saying it. I’m not defending him at all but at least be honest I think it was always only men but recently someone suggested that they remove the word "men" to include both women and men. But ultimately recently they decided to keep it as "men" only. December 2021: Lawmakers negotiating a sweeping defense bill dropped a contentious provision that would have required women to sign up for the Selective Service The amendment to include women in the draft had robust bipartisan support in both the House and Senate, but was stripped out in the final days of closed-door negotiations amid fears it could imperil passage of the underlying legislation.
Ricardo1993 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 6:17 AM, Ayanaa said: Well now the true colors are showing and this shows they think genderideology is actually meaningless to them when it comes to things they really care about: war. As awful as it is idk why people are shocked by this. Our leaders do not care about trans rights even the ones that claim to be "Pro-Trans". We fail to realize they only care about trans rights when its profitable but in reality Biden and most of our leaders do not care about trans people.
Mobility Mary Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 1:01 PM, schnetzka said: It should be everyone or no one. Personally, I think it's awful anybody has to sign up for the draft but in reality with people wanting equality (as they rightly should), then everybody, regardless of gender, should have to sign up. This logic is giving "equal rights, equal fights" type of thinking lmao
schnetzka Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mobility Mary said: This logic is giving "equal rights, equal fights" type of thinking lmao Well most people use the excuse that men are stronger and therefore would work better if drafted but I know plenty of men who are not strong (including me) so that logic also does not work. It's a very difficult situation.
Mobility Mary Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, schnetzka said: Well most people use the excuse that men are stronger and therefore would work better if drafted but I know plenty of men who are not strong (including me) so that logic also does not work. It's a very difficult situation. But they are biologically stronger than women, just because there are exceptions it doesn't change anything. You might be weak, but you would still be stronger than an average woman with the same amount of training you would get before being sent off to fight. And where are those equal rights people are talking about? Women still earn less than men for the same positions, they are still by far the most common victims of domestic abuse and rape, they commit way less violent crimes like rape, murders or abuse, there are still way more women doing sex "work", they are still the ones being forced or pressured into accepting violent kinks to not be seen as prudes even tho it's almost always the men who are into harming their sex partner, they are still objectified and sexualised from a very young age (like teaching girls who are still children to shave their bodies or 'teen' being the most popular porn category) in the way men aren't in all the possible areas from porn to movies to shows to music to magazines to commercials to their jobs, they are still the ones spending way more time taking care of children even in households where both of the parents work full time, they still don't hold the same political power that men do (and men are thr ones starting these wars as well), they are still put under pressure to shave their bodies, dress up, wear makeup etc. I understand the frustration, cause there are men who don't have a bizarre obsession with violence like many men do (I'd like to believe a lot of us gays are like that) and wouldn't even get in a physical fight, let alone go fight a war, but drafting women as well is not a fair solution. If all these things magically change one day, then maybe we can talk about women also getting drafted, but until then it would be ridiculous to go through with this idea.
Ombre Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/12/2022 at 7:15 AM, katykater said: He is repeating the law as it is today: It might change in the future when an amendment is passed. So you dont he is foreshadowing ww3? I was feeling anxious for my American friends but why would a draft be needed if you guys do to war with Russia & China it would be nuclear no?
John Slayne Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 not surprised, what does surprise me is people in this thread thinking 'men would transition to avoid the draft' is a good justification for transphobic policy
FreeXone Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 1:44 AM, Miracle said: This is disgusting. What the hell is this? This is literally saying transgender women are not real women Signing up for selective service does not mean you will be guaranteed to be drafted. They are doing this because they know many men will be smart a$$es and say they are transgender to get out of signing up lol. I don’t even think you can be transgender in the military anymore if you want to engage in active battle due to the hormones treatment. If for any reason a real draft was made, after medical evals most trans women would be swiftly denied service duties.
FreeXone Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, John Slayne said: not surprised, what does surprise me is people in this thread thinking 'men would transition to avoid the draft' is a good justification for transphobic policy They won’t transition but they could declare themselves “trans” without even really being trans.
John Slayne Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, FreeXone said: They won’t transition but they could declare themselves “trans” without even really being trans. Ok and? Mandatory draft is bs anyway, why should anyone be forced to fight a war without their consent? But also, this is the same stupid argument people use against trans people accessing spaces that align with their gender. For one, it really doesn't happen as often as transphobic media make it seem, and two, if someone wants to avoid draft so badly they will find one way or another... Look at Russia, people are breaking their arms or even leaving the country just to avoid the draft. You think the fact that they can't use the trans excuse will stop them? Please. It's just othering of a minority for no real reason, just like all discrimination against transgender people. Abolishing the mandatory draft is the only solution to draft inequality.
FreeXone Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, John Slayne said: Ok and? Mandatory draft is bs anyway, why should anyone be forced to fight a war without their consent? But also, this is the same stupid argument people use against trans people accessing spaces that align with their gender. For one, it really doesn't happen as often as transphobic media make it seem, and two, if someone wants to avoid draft so badly they will find one way or another... Look at Russia, people are breaking their arms or even leaving the country just to avoid the draft. You think the fact that they can't use the trans excuse will stop them? Please. It's just othering of a minority for no real reason, just like all discrimination against transgender people. Abolishing the mandatory draft is the only solution to draft inequality. Like I said. Signing up for the draft and getting selected are two diff things. I don’t agree with the draft but at the same time if they started coming over here we’ll…:we’d all have to fight anyways? Lol
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