Gorgeous Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ayanaa said: Well now the true colors are showing and this shows they think genderideology is actually meaningless to them when it comes to things they really care about: war. Not to sound transphobic but do you really think all these politicians believe in trans rights and the non binary crap behind the scenes??? Its an ideology adopted by the political class and promoted by them in order to gain power and vote I'm not saying that trans and non binaries aren't real, but promoting all these movements under their wing clearly comes with a price
KatyPrismSpirit Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gorgeous said: Not to sound transphobic but do you really think all these politicians believe in trans rights and the non binary crap behind the scenes??? Its an ideology adopted by the political class and promoted by them in order to gain power and vote I'm not saying that trans and non binaries aren't real, but promoting all these movements under their wing clearly comes with a price white democratic politicians have used minorities as assets to expand their political power for ages now.
Ayanaa Posted October 11, 2022 Author Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, Gorgeous said: Not to sound transphobic but do you really think all these politicians believe in trans rights and the non binary crap behind the scenes??? Its an ideology adopted by the political class and promoted by them in order to gain power and vote I'm not saying that trans and non binaries aren't real, but promoting all these movements under their wing clearly comes with a price No, you're spot on I actually agree w u.
Gorgeous Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: white democratic politicians have used minorities as assets to expand their political power for ages now. exactly, so people who keep falling for it are just exposing themselves as fools
liver Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, pierreleswiftie said: This makes sense otherwise a lot of people would all come out as transgender to avoid military draft. MTE
Ayanaa Posted October 11, 2022 Author Posted October 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Luckitty said: what about trans men They don't have to sign up, if I'm not mistaken.
pierreleswiftie Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ayanaa said: They don't have to sign up, if I'm not mistaken. Trans men don't have to sign up and the US is already smearing dirt for trans advocate to stay quiet. https://www.metroweekly.com/2022/09/u-s-armys-first-trans-officer-indicted-for-spying-for-russia/
schnetzka Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 It should be everyone or no one. Personally, I think it's awful anybody has to sign up for the draft but in reality with people wanting equality (as they rightly should), then everybody, regardless of gender, should have to sign up.
discotitzz Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 The draft shouldn’t exist in any civilised society, regardless. However, this policy is on brand for the Democrats; a preemptive, unnecessary measure to prevent an extremely unlikely hypothetical that makes the party look inconsistent at best, whilst providing ammunition for right wing trolls.
Flanders Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 If equality is supposed to go both ways, everyone should have to sign up, not just men. With that said this does send some problematic signals.
Cryptique Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 YUP, everyone or no one (preferably) that's EQUALITY
taemin Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 I’m actually surprised at these “but if trans women didn’t have to serve many cis men would come out as a trans!!!!” comments. It’s giving 60 year old conservatives commenting on FOX News’ Facebook forums. Have some sense.
Cryptique Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, diogozsz said: I’m actually surprised at these “but if trans women didn’t have to serve many cis men would come out as a trans!!!!” comments. It’s giving 60 year old conservatives commenting on FOX News’ Facebook forums. Have some sense. tbh, it is serving "but what if pervs disguise themselves as transwomen to use the female toilet"
Boysdontcry Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 It’s terrifying that a draft still exists. Americans should be fighting against this.
A Bomb Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, diogozsz said: I’m actually surprised at these “but if trans women didn’t have to serve many cis men would come out as a trans!!!!” comments. It’s giving 60 year old conservatives commenting on FOX News’ Facebook forums. Have some sense. Honestly tho. As if the there aren’t special gay sections of certain big prisons that try to sus out people who aren’t gay. It can be done. Especially for a small population that do very often get on hormones, and surgeries.
rac7d Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Miracle said: Military drafts shouldn't exist in the US to be fair. The US army has more than enough trained soldiers and a war of the scale that would need a draft would have already become nuclear, unless the US is pulling a Russia and their military capabilities were all bluffs Actually they don’t. Recruitment and retainment is at an all time low
Ayanaa Posted October 11, 2022 Author Posted October 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, BadMonster said: But does that mean trans men don't have to sign up? Cuz trans men having to sign up would kinda make up for the number of trans women who wouldn't, right? Or being trans means you're qualified cannon fodder? Transwomen are way more common.
Bang Up Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) If you go to the actual website, it says this: Quote It’s important to know that even though he is registered, a man will not automatically be inducted into the military. In a crisis requiring a draft, men would be called in a sequence determined by random lottery number and year of birth. Then, they would be examined for mental, physical, and moral fitness by the military before being deferred or exempted from military service or inducted into the Armed Forces. A trans woman with gender dysphoria would not be forced to enlist and serve in active combat as their condition (IDK if that's the right word) would be viewed as something that would exempt them. Edited October 11, 2022 by Bang Up
Ayanaa Posted October 11, 2022 Author Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Bang Up said: If you go to the actual website, it says this: A trans woman with gender dysphoria would not be forced to enlist and serve in active combat as their condition (IDK if that's the right word) would be viewed as something that would exempt them. You're right but it's still demeaning for transwomen having to sign up.
Redstreak Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Cryptique said: tbh, it is serving "but what if pervs disguise themselves as transwomen to use the female toilet" Unfortunately many gay men are just as bigoted as their conservative counterparts
Vermillion Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 The screaming irony on all of this is if both men and women were required this wouldn't be an issue. They profess to not care about "social engineering" in ignoring trans ID when engaging in the same form of social engineering. Case in point for any doubters - please watch some documentaries on women in the Marines - and before people deflect to "they'd never make it to Seal Team 6" neither would the majority of those drafted anyways so it's a moot point. It's one thing to hypothesize about mass wave new trans ID'ing from draftees, it'd be quite another to actually see people attempt to put it into practice, starting with timing on attempting some last minute rush to prescribe hormonal pills, among other things. Like....it's not that simple - you don't think they'd have some form of verification? Also not a fan of the naivete here to expect any policy to reduce their numbers when cannon fodder for oil has been the modus operandi for every administration since basically our country's founding. Leaving Don't Ask Don't Tell ended up being a value add because they needed the troops who wanted to be there by choice and the culture blocking it backed down - the former is most important to them at the end of the day. We shouldn't have a draft but I have zero hope of the States getting rid of it in my lifetime given Putin's threat of nukes and China's likely takeover of Taiwan. I'm spending my energy closely following other issues instead.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 11, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted October 11, 2022 Abolishing the draft is a smarter way to go about draft equality, Joe. Those arguing this is needed to keep our numbers up need to look harder at how large our military already is compared to every other country in the world. This is dumb, illogical, and unnecessary. We already have so many structures to incentivize (poor) people to go into our needless wars (e.g., post-service job prospects, student debt relief, military propaganda). Inflating that massive bubble to lock in such a tiny group of people into a system that shouldn't exist to begin with is ridiculously stupid.
ClashAndBurn Posted October 11, 2022 Posted October 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bloo said: Abolishing the draft is a smarter way to go about draft equality, Joe. As the good sis @Espresso mentioned, the more likely (and pragmatic to their interests) approach would be to extend the draft to everyone regardless of sex or gender. However, that wouldn't fly with the Phyllis Schlaflys of the world who fought against gender equality specifically for the reason that they didn't want women to be included as part of the draft. Conservative dogma won't allow women of child-bearing age to be conscripted when they could be forced to stay at home and raise their r*pe babies instead.
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