Hidden Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 the Thank You album by Meghan Trainor absolutely deleted her from the music landscape
Gaia Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 9:11 AM, Mr. Stratus said: The saddest thing was the fans she did have all left when the charts did, with little talent to pick it back up. Rihanna gained a lot of fans in 2018 Katy and Xtina has so much in common with bionic/witness Why do people keep saying this dumb statement. She failed to chart well because she alienated herself from her fans. She never had a massive fanbase and the fanbase she did have genuinely stanned her for the music and image she had and that was it There was no obsessive stanning and feeling like Katy Perry was an integral part of their life. As such, when she stopped releasing appealing music to the masses and her concepts became awful, by losing the GP she lost her fanbase because most people were genuinely into her music and concepts. In 2017 she shaved her head, the music videos got weird, the music lyrics were cringey, the album cover was awful, the she was jittery and looked like she was on something in interviews, and her performances were awful. Like come on. Who is stanning this? I used to be a huge fan and stopped in 2017. nothing to do with charts. Everything to do with said above.
DammnBaby Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 5:11 PM, Aaron said: witness being a career-ending album is such an overdone and tired take. like i’m begging for there to be a thread about albums that ruined careers that doesn’t have witness in the OP. it was obviously bad and it flopped but katy was doomed no matter what. prism proved she was headed out the door when 3/5 singles bombed and dr luke got canceled and pop’s sound shifted Her decline may have started with the latter part of the Prism era, but Witness was ultimately the proof that she didn't shift with the sound (or lead that shift). Her inability to truly pivot or innovate killed her career, and Witness was the evidence.
Feather Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 10:26 AM, Kimi said: Hard Candy? I know not comparable to Witness or Bionic same but ever since she dropped that her reputation acclaim and success went down tremendously. 4 Minutes was an anthem even though that album was a flop. But I wouldn’t call it her “Witness” era, luckily even though Madonna had flop albums (Hard Candy, MDNA) it had some singles that were memorable
Feather Posted October 12, 2022 Posted October 12, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 8:13 PM, Tropical said: I know I didn't just see Hard Candy slander in here... the album that went on to sell the highest grossing solo female tour of all time to this day... And also had a gym named after that album…
Virtual_Insanity Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 22 hours ago, DammnBaby said: Her decline may have started with the latter part of the Prism era, but Witness was ultimately the proof that she didn't shift with the sound (or lead that shift). Her inability to truly pivot or innovate killed her career, and Witness was the evidence. Witness was extremely innovative, its just that it didn't click with the GP. Chained to the Rhythm is an amazing track.
Protocol Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 Cyndi Lauper - A Night to Remember: Despite a minor hit, this album and its dated image ensured that she would be left in the 80s. It ended her career as a major pop star. Of course she still had success after in other fields. Head Over Heels - Paula Abdul: bombed so badly that she was dropped and never released another album Invincible - Michael Jackson: Selling 7M copies would be a hit for anyone else, but for an album that cost $30 million to make and coming off a streak of five 20M+ sellers in a row, it was a bomb. Truly career-destroying in the most literal sense, he never released music again after this album. Bionic - Christina Aguilera: demoted her from one of the leading ladies of pop music as she had been in the 2000s to a quick lil features girl and nostalgia act MDNA - Madonna: Hard to put it here since at that point no matter what she was still a legend, but this was the era that definitively downgraded her from still being a contemporary artist getting hits like she had been in the noughties and put her in legacy act territory. Still one of the worst lead singles ever and such a wasted opportunity considering the Superbowl, multiple features, $5M budget video, and that she still had hype (GMAYL sold 280k copies in its first 10 days in the US). Britney Jean - Britney Spears: destroyed the facade of her 'comeback' that her previous two albums had established (to somewhat mixed results in FF's case) and ended her career as a major hitmaker. I would also say the Myah Marie question and overall weirdness of the era was low key the start of the free Britney movement as many stans started to question exactly what was going on behind the scenes. Witness - Katy Perry: Despite somewhat decent stats compared to the albums above, it completely killed her status as one of the major stars of pop music. Her next album bombed so badly it did less than 50k first week and was off the charts in a month. Man of the Woods - Justin Timberlake: Prime example of how the Superbowl can be a double edged sword, if you don't deliver then you just broadcast your failure to the whole of America. Bad lead single, confused image and sound, mediocre music. It flopped so badly and ruined his image to such an extent that his stand-alone single released the following year didn't even chart. Wonder - Shawn Mendes: A drastic 80% drop in sales, it failed to produce a true hit despite a Justin Bieber feature, and basically ended him as one of the core pop radio acts and streaming giants. All subsequent singles have flopped, even the excellent "When You're Gone".
Protocol Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 2:50 PM, Erreur2 La Nature said: "Make Me..." did not flop by any mean. It did ok, it was certified platinium, charted in the Top 20. It was a minor hit. "Make Me..." is NOT a solo single so I don't understand why you're bringing it in a conversation about solo singles when Spears has NOT released a solo singles since Perfume. The only official singles that have been officialy released since are : Pretty Girls, Make Me..., Slumber Party and recently, Hold Me Closer. All 4 are collaborations. Please "Make Me" charted in the Top 40 for only two or three weeks I believe. Anything out long enough is certified Platinum these days because of streaming. It was not a hit, this was someone who effortlessly debuted at #1 with every single only five years prior. Internationally the stats were awful too when she used to be one of the most global pop stars. "Pretty Girls" = massive bomb, low key ended Iggy's career too "Slumber Party" = massive bomb "Hold Me Closer" = one week wonder, at this point it's barely a moderate hit BJ ended her career as a major force in pop music, it's undeniable.
governmenthooker96 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/10/2022 at 8:58 PM, Blackout2006 said: It really was. Seeing her plummet from one of the world's biggest popstars to a complete TANK as a young Katycat was just...shocking That too, the Swifties definitely were adding fire to the era since Rep came out a year later and was a success. Nnnn, that era was something else It came out in the same year
Great808 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Protocol said: Cyndi Lauper - A Night to Remember: Despite a minor hit, this album and its dated image ensured that she would be left in the 80s. It ended her career as a major pop star. Of course she still had success after in other fields. Head Over Heels - Paula Abdul: bombed so badly that she was dropped and never released another album Invincible - Michael Jackson: Selling 7M copies would be a hit for anyone else, but for an album that cost $30 million to make and coming off a streak of five 20M+ sellers in a row, it was a bomb. Truly career-destroying in the most literal sense, he never released music again after this album. Bionic - Christina Aguilera: demoted her from one of the leading ladies of pop music as she had been in the 2000s to a quick lil features girl and nostalgia act MDNA - Madonna: Hard to put it here since at that point no matter what she was still a legend, but this was the era that definitively downgraded her from still being a contemporary artist getting hits like she had been in the noughties and put her in legacy act territory. Still one of the worst lead singles ever and such a wasted opportunity considering the Superbowl, multiple features, $5M budget video, and that she still had hype (GMAYL sold 280k copies in its first 10 days in the US). Britney Jean - Britney Spears: destroyed the facade of her 'comeback' that her previous two albums had established (to somewhat mixed results in FF's case) and ended her career as a major hitmaker. I would also say the Myah Marie question and overall weirdness of the era was low key the start of the free Britney movement as many stans started to question exactly what was going on behind the scenes. Witness - Katy Perry: Despite somewhat decent stats compared to the albums above, it completely killed her status as one of the major stars of pop music. Her next album bombed so badly it did less than 50k first week and was off the charts in a month. Man of the Woods - Justin Timberlake: Prime example of how the Superbowl can be a double edged sword, if you don't deliver then you just broadcast your failure to the whole of America. Bad lead single, confused image and sound, mediocre music. It flopped so badly and ruined his image to such an extent that his stand-alone single released the following year didn't even chart. Wonder - Shawn Mendes: A drastic 80% drop in sales, it failed to produce a true hit despite a Justin Bieber feature, and basically ended him as one of the core pop radio acts and streaming giants. All subsequent singles have flopped, even the excellent "When You're Gone". This user had time today Although MDNA at least managed to go Gold and sell millions WW.. I would just call it an underperformance
Protocol Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Great808 said: This user had time today Although MDNA at least managed to go Gold and sell millions WW.. I would just call it an underperformance It went Gold thanks to it being comped with her tour tickets, without that it would be nowhere near Gold. And if you remove those comped album "sales" from the WW total it actually sold less than 2M copies.
DammnBaby Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said: Witness was extremely innovative, its just that it didn't click with the GP. Chained to the Rhythm is an amazing track. Out of curiosity, what do you find extremely innovative about Witness?
Great808 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Protocol said: It went Gold thanks to it being comped with her tour tickets, without that it would be nowhere near Gold. And if you remove those comped album "sales" from the WW total it actually sold less than 2M copies. A lot of those people still would have bought if tho, and 1-2M WW still isn’t that shabby
Great808 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, DammnBaby said: Out of curiosity, what do you find extremely innovative about Witness?
Repelex Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/9/2022 at 4:36 PM, Alexz said: I believe it was the terrible Quality of the entire Back To Basics álbum what ended her career. Bionic was just the final nail on the coffin. Witness/Smile ARTPOP, JOANNE, Cheeck To Cheek The Spirit Indestructible The revisionist history. Keeps gettin better the song debuted in the ******* top 10 just because of gp's anticipation right AFTER back to basics era The tour didn't do badly either.
Alexz Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 36 minutes ago, Repelex said: The revisionist history. Keeps gettin better the song debuted in the ******* top 10 just because of gp's anticipation right AFTER back to basics era The tour didn't do badly either. It debuted kinda low for how big sales were for pop females. In comparisson Gimme More, Womanizer and Circus were all top 3 when sales started to count on Billboard. ANOM only reached #6 BTB was the beggining of the end for Xtina.
Yog Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Protocol said: Wonder - Shawn Mendes: A drastic 80% drop in sales, it failed to produce a true hit despite a Justin Bieber feature, and basically ended him as one of the core pop radio acts and streaming giants. All subsequent singles have flopped, even the excellent "When You're Gone". Don’t forget the underperforming tour as well and an already failed movie career with that stupid af crocodile kiddie movie, I’m curious how the opening of that upcoming 5th flop album is gonna be, wonderless had an decent opening and dropped out of the entire 200 in such little time thx to that Justin Bieber collaboration trying it’s best to keep up float Edited October 13, 2022 by Yog
Ms. Togekiss Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 The way America had not heard of them since the payola'd droplets in 2019 and had to release tik Tok trash to be remotely relevant again
Yog Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ms. Togekiss said: The way America had not heard of them since the payola'd droplets in 2019 and had to release tik Tok trash to be remotely relevant again We love an third consecutive platinum (in the near future multi platinum) third effort, “remotely relevant” you mean smashing effortlessly with their global smash “Unholy”, which you wouldn’t know about that after those string of flips & flops, Shun stan Edited October 13, 2022 by Yog
BlackStar_93 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 On 10/11/2022 at 11:24 AM, KKCuteCat said: Goodbye Lullaby wasn't exactly a disaster but it definitely started Avril's flop page. And it's followed by ST which is truthfully a career suicide . Her career ended with Rock N Roll. I love the song tho but the way her team handled it . I think a lot of people attribute GL to Avril's career slowing down, but I actually think it was mostly down to TBDT. Whilst the album and the lead (Girlfriend) were huge smashes, her complete sound/image change really alienated a lot of her original fanbase, and by the time Hot and TBDT were released as singles, the GP was already over the era. Of course, the 4-year wait between TBDT and GL didn't help, nor did the terrible handling of the GL era.
Blackout2006 Posted October 13, 2022 Posted October 13, 2022 10 hours ago, governmenthooker96 said: It came out in the same year Yea, nvm, sorry
KKCuteCat Posted October 14, 2022 Posted October 14, 2022 15 hours ago, BlackStar_93 said: I think a lot of people attribute GL to Avril's career slowing down, but I actually think it was mostly down to TBDT. Whilst the album and the lead (Girlfriend) were huge smashes, her complete sound/image change really alienated a lot of her original fanbase, and by the time Hot and TBDT were released as singles, the GP was already over the era. Of course, the 4-year wait between TBDT and GL didn't help, nor did the terrible handling of the GL era. TBDT was a massive success so i don't think the album killed her career. But became uncool to stan AVril in 2011. Idk why. She suddenly became irrelevant. The album was expected to be underperformed at the beginning.
Virtual_Insanity Posted October 14, 2022 Posted October 14, 2022 On 10/13/2022 at 2:59 AM, DammnBaby said: Out of curiosity, what do you find extremely innovative about Witness? Does it sound like any other Katy album to you? No. Please post another track that sounds like Chained to the Rhythm ?
Cloröx Posted October 14, 2022 Posted October 14, 2022 I fear that Solar Power has destroyed Lorde's career
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