discussion US/UK/DE/etc. vote against UN resolution supporting reparations for the slave trade

[LeMésTragique]

Nice to see China, Lybia, UAE willing to abolish slavery their countries conduct right now

 

 

[ZIVERT]

1 hour ago, LeMésTragique said:

Nice to see China, Lybia, UAE willing to abolish slavery their countries conduct right now

 

 

Yes, I'm expecting that effective immediately they will allow the UN to have unrestricted access to their countries to investigate and help slaves in those countries  Especially monumental for Qatar to recognize that slaves deserve reparations in the midst of using slave labor to build infrastructure for their World Cup this year  

Edited October 9, 2022 by ZIVERT

[Wicked]

16 hours ago, CaptainMusic said:

I just can’t see how reparations would work, like where’s the cut off line?

 

How black do you have to be to get it, would white people like Halsey with black heritage still get reparations despite being pretty much just as privileged as fully white people.  
 

Seems like it would be a mess. 

It's not that complicated, it's already been worked out by reparationists and California is using the same thing as well.

 

Anyone who identified as Black for the past 10 years consistently & has documentation of an ancestor defined as Black in the 1860 US Census qualified for reparations. There's a Freedmen Bureau with documentation that provides free services to find the documents.

 

Yes, someone biracial who legally identified as Black and can provide the documentation qualified for reparations and how they look is irrelevant if that's their heritage. Logic, Zendaya and whoever deserve reparations.

[Robert]

I’m not against reparations but we should do more to fight modern slavery from US Prisons, Chinese forced labour camps, human trafficking, forced marriage etc. There’s more slaves now than any point in human history.

[Communion]

On 10/8/2022 at 11:43 PM, Revolution said:

The UAE is doing slavery in the present times.

This type of whataboutism never makes any kind of sense in this conversation besides trying to water-down just what chattel slavery actually was.

 

Yes, slavery and indentured servitude have existed in multiple forms and still exist today. But the conversation is explicitly about institutional racism, and the connection between how the transatlantic slave trade birthed the concept of "race" (and thus scientific racism) as it exists today. 

 

Chattel slavery and its creation of race as a phenomena requires different solutions than issues over forced labor because chattel slavery wasn't just an issue about forced labor. Nothing is stopping the UN from putting forth resolutions about indentured servitude (and they have), neither does such justify many of the key players of the transatlantic slave trade denying their role in the creation of a system that essentially created white supremacy as we know it.

 

The UK explicitly makes the argument that reparations for the slave trade would be counterproductive because "it was legal at the time", but how can the current wrongs within the UK, for example, be corrected while the government argues there's no history to claim it's done something wrong?

Edited October 10, 2022 by Communion

[Jagger]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

This type of whataboutism never makes any kind of sense in this conversation besides trying to water-down just what chattel slavery actually was.

 

Yes, slavery and indentured servitude have existed in multiple forms and still exist today. But the conversation is explicitly about institutional racism, and the connection between how the transatlantic slave trade birthed the concept of "race" (and thus scientific racism) as it exists today. 

 

Chattel slavery and its creation of race as a phenomena requires different solutions than issues over forced labor because chattel slavery wasn't just an issue about forced labor. Nothing is stopping the UN from putting forth resolutions about indentured servitude (and they have), neither does such justify many of the key players of the transatlantic slave trade denying their role in the creation of a system that essentially created white supremacy as we know it.

 

The UK explicitly makes the argument that reparations for the slave trade would be counterproductive because "it was legal at the time", but how can the current wrongs within the UK, for example, be corrected while the government argues there's no history to claim it's done something wrong?

ok so we'll wait hundreds of years until China's slavery and concentration camps are important enough of an issue to solve. Got it 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jagger

[CaptainMusic]

6 hours ago, Wicked said:

It's not that complicated, it's already been worked out by reparationists and California is using the same thing as well.

 

Anyone who identified as Black for the past 10 years consistently & has documentation of an ancestor defined as Black in the 1860 US Census qualified for reparations. There's a Freedmen Bureau with documentation that provides free services to find the documents.

 

Yes, someone biracial who legally identified as Black and can provide the documentation qualified for reparations and how they look is irrelevant if that's their heritage. Logic, Zendaya and whoever deserve reparations.

Halsey isn’t biracial, she’s a quarter black so she’s basically white. 
 

I wasn’t referring to biracials, I was referring to people who are only 1/4 or 1/8 black and are practically just as privileged as any other white person but identify as black. 
 

You have to take in account the wealth of the person as well as I definitely don’t support already rich black/biracial people like Zendaya and Logic getting reparations, that’s a waste of money. There’s too many holes in this and it will never happen. 

Edited October 10, 2022 by CaptainMusic

[Wicked]

11 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

You have to take in account the wealth of the person as well as I definitely don’t support already rich black/biracial people like Zendaya and Logic getting reparations, that’s a waste of money. There’s too many holes in this and it will never happen. 

Their wealth doesn't matter, they're Black American, they deserve reparations like the rest of us. Their ancestors were in the same fields as mine, their ancestors got red lined and went through Jim Crow just like mine, they suffered in the crack epidemic just like mine. 

 

This is creating holes that aren't there lol.

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Jagger said:

ok so we'll wait 

? Wait? Sis where are you getting your current event news from? A resolution on forced labor in China was literally voted on in the same session. 

 

It failed to pass because only 17 members of the HRC's 47 supported the allegations in the resolution. 

 

Now, you can feel however you want about that vote, but the suggestion that such a vote would defend, not further incriminate, the hypocrisy of the West in their vote on reparations is extremely dishonest. 

 

You're literally arguing that the descendents of slaves don't deserve reparation for the slave trade because China has sweat shops?? 

 

Let alone that UN HRC resolutions are non-binding, meaning they largely work to show country's intentions. How can citizens in countries like the US and France trust leaders who give lip service to equality while then making it clear on a global stage they don't believe such? Progressives are to believe the Biden administration can be swayed to support reparations when it sends its delegation in the UN to vote against resolutions deeming the slave trade a criminal act? 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Communion

[GhostBox]

If we do the whole reparation thing I think we should do reparations for Native Americans first then so on. But neither will ever happen here in the United States. It would sadly make the races hate each other even more than they do. 

[stevyy]

On 10/9/2022 at 1:52 AM, ClashAndBurn said:

All those countries with histories deeply rooted in the slave trade. How predictable  

Slave Trade was literally not a thing in Germany. The country also didn't exist until 1871. 

 

GER probably only voted NO to not create precedence for Poland and Greece, as they are asking for WW2 reparations at the moment (combined $2 trillion or 50% of GER GDP).