base talk Beyonce and writing credits: Reason why she can’t win AOTY?

[GraceRandolph]

On 10/6/2022 at 8:15 AM, supertiffany said:

everytime Beyonce is criticized it's called racism

 

but silence when she STEALS songwriting credits.

 

 

remember when she SOLELY CLAIMED she wrote Irreplaceable lol

We were called racist for siding with Kelis in the beef between her and Bey. Beyonce fans only use the race card when convenient, but throw black women under the bus when convenient.

[supertiffany]

1 hour ago, infrared said:

I do think all the sampling news have been hurting her chances - not like she was going to win  but it moved her a few slots down 

why cannot she write a song without plagiarism or sampling or without a bunch of songwriters camp

[slw84]

On 10/6/2022 at 4:18 AM, BadMonster96 said:

Becasue both write their own material and don't steal writing credits and FULL SONGS like the person in your avi

 

On 10/6/2022 at 4:22 AM, KingB® said:

It’s getting weird. And it’s neither funny nor witty. You love to discredit her so much. 

 

racist much? 

well someone brought up a point that taylor and adele have more AOTys than any black women:

Natalie Cole won AOTY without writing her album

Whitney Houston won AOTY writing 1 song on the album

Lauryn Hill is the only one who won AOTY as an artist (not just a singer) and then dealt with claims later on.

 

All legendary wins but I don't think writing credits for the artist themselves is an issue but I think their point was likely too many writers credited, though.

[supertiffany]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:30 AM, Holiest Dreams said:

The Grammys don’t want to award an album with 300 people involved because that would mean 300 trophies have to be made. The amount of controversies surrounding the ethics of some of her samples this time around also will harm her. 
 

 

[slw84]

2 hours ago, R.E.M. said:

This. Especially since she's won Song of the Year, a songwriter's award at that same show, we know that's not an issue. Y'all are being deliberately obtuse to get stale drags in and it's so corny 

Wasn't it for Single Ladies??? Hmm...i'm not sure that's a flex.

 

That being said, Act I, Act II and Act III might be her chances over the next year or two.

[supertiffany]

3 minutes ago, slw84 said:

Wasn't it for Single Ladies??? Hmm...i'm not sure that's a flex.

 

That being said, Act I, Act II and Act III might be her chances over the next year or two.

obviously not a flex, why do they brought that up like it's a compliment lol

 

[OreGuy]

I fear the Grammys will reward albums that aren't a collection of samples.

[R.E.M.]

47 minutes ago, slw84 said:

Wasn't it for Single Ladies??? Hmm...i'm not sure that's a flex.

 

That being said, Act I, Act II and Act III might be her chances over the next year or two.

 

42 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

obviously not a flex, why do they brought that up like it's a compliment lol

 

Reading comprehension ability on zero I guess. Let's reiterate; users were implying the Grammys will not award Bey AOTY because she isn't taken seriously as a songwriter, but she literally won a songwriter award at the same show. 

 

I'm not sure why a Spears fan is even commenting on an issue related to songwriting or Grammy wins?

[R.E.M.]

Y'all sound dumb as **** talking about the Grammys not rewarding albums that sample other songs when literal cover albums have won AOTY

[GraceRandolph]

16 minutes ago, R.E.M. said:

Y'all sound dumb as **** talking about the Grammys not rewarding albums that sample other songs when literal cover albums have won AOTY

Are you saying Renaissance = cover album now? 

[OreGuy]

5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Are you saying Renaissance = cover album now? 

Now That's What I Call... Samples!

[R.E.M.]

27 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Are you saying Renaissance = cover album now? 

 

21 minutes ago, OreGuy said:

Now That's What I Call... Samples!

Can y'all read? I'm saying if sampling was such an issue, why would they reward literal cover albums? For example, your fav's first AOTY nomination in over a decade is for a cover album so clearly the academy has no qualms about it.

 

Cute attempt at dragging tho. 

[DariusSings]

On 10/6/2022 at 3:50 AM, Otter said:

Most likely the fact that all her deserving albums have been extremely multigenre. I think it confuses the academy and splits her base.

 

One minute they're listening to Daddy Lessons, then next its Formation. Renaissance is maybe the most cohesive so fingers crossed 

That's actually very accurate. Never thought of it that way. I hope she wins it. 

[Literature]

I dont think its because of writing credits, I think they just choose to give it to more deserving artists, such as Taylor Swift and Adele

[Jude]

Renaissance will WIN! Bookmark. 

[yuiki]

That + the fact the album is cute but not even close to the best 10 albums this year.

[supertiffany]

14 hours ago, R.E.M. said:

 

Reading comprehension ability on zero I guess. Let's reiterate; users were implying the Grammys will not award Bey AOTY because she isn't taken seriously as a songwriter, but she literally won a songwriter award at the same show. 

 

I'm not sure why a Spears fan is even commenting on an issue related to songwriting or Grammy wins?

stupidity is there

 

what is a SINGLE SONG compared to a whole album of MULTIPLE SONGS

[R.E.M.]

1 hour ago, supertiffany said:

stupidity is there

 

what is a SINGLE SONG compared to a whole album of MULTIPLE SONGS

beyond help

[Theshigo Washidu]

22 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

We were called racist for siding with Kelis in the beef between her and Bey. Beyonce fans only use the race card when convenient, but throw black women under the bus when convenient.

This tea is scalding.

 

[GreatestLoveofAll]

On 10/6/2022 at 7:00 AM, OnMyCoolJ said:

Your post made 0 sense as there are plenty artists who won who weren’t even the main contributor on their albums. 
 

I.E. Celine and Whitney. 
 

next caller. 

as songwriters lets just be clear. you know me always gotta make sure the whit narrative hear straight lmao

[Shelter]

22 hours ago, R.E.M. said:

 

Can y'all read? I'm saying if sampling was such an issue, why would they reward literal cover albums? For example, your fav's first AOTY nomination in over a decade is for a cover album so clearly the academy has no qualms about it.

 

Cute attempt at dragging tho. 

[MissedTheTrain]

On 10/6/2022 at 5:08 PM, Blue Rose said:

So Leona and Kelly can pick and sing demos but when Bey does it she is stealing? You’re so worried about Bey’s writing credits but mind you, your fave doesn’t even sing her own vocals

Kelly doesn't take writing credit on songs she wasn't a part of writing though.  She's friends with a lot of songwriters and has a lot of respect for them and the fact that that's their only income. She is always 100% transparent about the songs she records and her involvement. 

 

She talks more about it here, at 1:17ish

 

 

 

And again here, at 9:20ish.  As she says, there are a good handful of songs in her discography that she actually did change a line or two on, but didn't take credit because the song was already great and she didn't want to take a cut from the writers.

 

 

[GreatestLoveofAll]

you know these threads would be useful but then stans start discrediting artists to make a counterpoint and it all just becomes another 'my fave is better than your fave' thread. And this is not just for Beyonce nor is it directly her fault (or even the Hive in this case) but in general when an artist creative output is discussed.

[supertiffany]

4 minutes ago, MissedTheTrain said:

Kelly doesn't take writing credit on songs she wasn't a part of writing though.  She's friends with a lot of songwriters and has a lot of respect for them and the fact that that's their only income. She is always 100% transparent about the songs she records and her involvement. 

 

She talks more about it here, at 1:17ish

 

 

 

And again here, at 9:20ish.  As she says, there are a good handful of songs in her discography that she actually did change a line or two on, but didn't take credit because the song was already great and she didn't want to take a cut from the writers.

 

 

no frauds queen!

[awesomepossum]

Edited March 4, 2023 by awesomepossum