base talk Beyonce and writing credits: Reason why she can’t win AOTY?

[Taylor fanboy]

No, its racism, misogyny, and ageism.

[Zaram]

2 hours ago, KingB® said:

It’s getting weird. And it’s neither funny nor witty. You love to discredit her so much. 

 

racist much? 

When not stanning Beyonce is racist 

[sugarysunflower]

AOTY is the most prestigious award in the music industry. 
 

It’s a question of how can the Academy determine she was the core songwriter/the bread and butter to the entire conception and composition of the album?. The less songwriters the easier it is to whittle down. 
 

it’s not the sole reason, but it’s one of the main reasons. 

[OnMyCoolJ]

14 minutes ago, Sept said:

No and if it's the reason then they are just dumb

 

AOTY goes to the body of work, not the artist. Everybody who is involved in the process gets their flowers so why does it matter if it has 1 writer or 20 writers??? At the end of the day, isn't AOTY about the best album of that year? 

Thank you. 
 

the idea of one person sitting in the studio alone with a guitar to get an old farts award is just 

 

the ppl who are anti samples and interpolations clearly have no music knowledge. 

[OnMyCoolJ]

3 minutes ago, sugarysunflower said:

AOTY is the most prestigious award in the music industry. 
 

It’s a question of how can the Academy determine she was the core songwriter/the bread and butter to the entire conception and composition of the album?. The less songwriters the easier it is to whittle down. 
 

it’s not the sole reason, but it’s one of the main reasons. 

I didn’t know it was the songwriter of the year award. Honestly thought it was called album of the year because it was about the actual album. 
 

the more you know….

[OrgVisual]

6 minutes ago, sugarysunflower said:

AOTY is the most prestigious award in the music industry. 
 

It’s a question of how can the Academy determine she was the core songwriter/the bread and butter to the entire conception and composition of the album?. The less songwriters the easier it is to whittle down. 
 

it’s not the sole reason, but it’s one of the main reasons. 

Didn't they introduce a new category called Songwriter Of The Year? 

 

How does AOTY have anything to do with "being the core songwriter"? 

[sugarysunflower]

1 minute ago, OnMyCoolJ said:

I didn’t know it was the songwriter of the year award. Honestly thought it was called album of the year because it was about the actual album. 
 

the more you know….

Hence I put in “the bread and butter to the conception and composition” …. Ie. Charges the direction of the end product. 
 

Reading comprehension and semantics is a fundamental life skill. 

[OnMyCoolJ]

Just now, sugarysunflower said:

Hence I put in “the bread and butter to the conception and composition” …. Ie. Charges the direction of the end product. 
 

Reading comprehension and semantics is a fundamental life skill. 

Your post made 0 sense as there are plenty artists who won who weren’t even the main contributor on their albums. 
 

I.E. Celine and Whitney. 
 

next caller. 

[zoldyck]

13 minutes ago, sugarysunflower said:

AOTY is the most prestigious award in the music industry. 
 

It’s a question of how can the Academy determine she was the core songwriter/the bread and butter to the entire conception and composition of the album?. The less songwriters the easier it is to whittle down. 
 

it’s not the sole reason, but it’s one of the main reasons. 

Yes, especially in her case it seems like product of money and power.

 

Basically she is rich enough to get all these samples cleared and hire other song writers to snitch them together. That is all to the composition of so called album

[sugarysunflower]

5 minutes ago, OnMyCoolJ said:

Your post made 0 sense as there are plenty artists who won who weren’t even the main contributor on their albums. 
 

I.E. Celine and Whitney. 
 

next caller. 

The way voting changes every decade or so. Everyone knows why they won in their respective years. Otherwise, wouldn’t my argument be: why didn’t Mariah win AOTY for Self Titled or Daydream, then??
 

AOTY nomination and voting process took a major turn in 2010 and 2017, so Celine and Whitney aren’t applicable to this situation. 

[Lovett]

1 minute ago, zoldyck said:

Yes, especially in her case it seems like product of money and power.

 

Basically she is rich enough to get all these samples cleared and hire other song writers to snitch them together. That is all to the composition of so called album

We know that isn't true though. She's literally been described by writers as a Frankenstein songwriter, because she's the one pulling parts from songs and samples and putting them together. Which is funny because then ATRL says that's why she isn't a songwriter, because she doesn't write every word herself. Now you're arguing that she doesn't do the stitching either?

 

It's fascinating seeing people just waltz into threads and lie. I'm certain you know you're lying as well.

[OnMyCoolJ]

6 minutes ago, sugarysunflower said:

The way voting changes every decade or so. Everyone knows why they won in their respective years. Otherwise, wouldn’t my argument be: why didn’t Mariah win AOTY for Self Titled or Daydream, then??
 

AOTY nomination and voting process took a major turn in 2010 and 2017, so Celine and Whitney aren’t applicable to this situation. 

Just because it fits your narrative of them awarding the same people over and over again? Lol. 
 

Adele’s list for 25 was just as big as Lemonade’s. 
 

and if we’re going by the contributor list Cardi should’ve won in 2019. 
 

and why didn’t Billie win last year vs the album with a lengthy contributor list? 
 

the lists of some of the nominees top anything bey has ever submitted 

[zoldyck]

1 minute ago, MrLovett said:

We know that isn't true though. She's literally been described by writers as a Frankenstein songwriter, because she's the one pulling parts from songs and samples and putting them together. Which is funny because then ATRL says that's why she isn't a songwriter, because she doesn't write every word herself. Now you're arguing that she doesn't do the stitching either?

 

It's fascinating seeing people just waltz into threads and lie. I'm certain you know you're lying as well.

Please we have all seen number of writers. Good amount of writers come from sample and good other amount for stitching and making it work together.

 

Like what of kind of input do you think she has after those overwhelming number of writers. Only hive delude themselves and buy those PR statements. When the number of writers made it clear that input of everyone involved is bare minimum. Especially her input otherwise she won't be having that excessive amount of writers.

[hector.adriel]

Honestly I feel like Renaissance deserves AOTY but I also feel like they won’t give 300 awards away. It has waaaay too many people involved. 
 

 

[Great808]

1 hour ago, helpthomas said:

ummm idk if you’re new to music as a whole, as a concept  but samples do not determine artistry or even credibility. it has been around for several decades and is a very respected form of creating and flipping music by the top producers in the game. several winners and nominees at the grammys have been sampling their way to a credible career.

 

as a producer and songwriter myself, who sits in writing camps with other musicians, i can assure you it’s a go to for inspiration. music is just a big wheel where everything has been done over and over and will keep on evolving in new forms 

I understand music as well and anyone in tuned with it will tell you a song completely fresh and original from the production to the melody will always be more impressive than a song that is built off a sample let alone a song that RELIES on a sample. Maybe if it was an occasional route for her but not when it’s constant for her, nah, that ain’t gonna work man. 

[*-ChriZ-*]

All these essays when in reality voters probably think "im voting for Bey in Urban categories and she already has so many Grammys, I wanna give it to somebody else".

Also the Grammys have a history of being racist.

[Lovett]

1 hour ago, zoldyck said:

Please we have all seen number of writers. Good amount of writers come from sample and good other amount for stitching and making it work together.

 

Like what of kind of input do you think she has after those overwhelming number of writers. Only hive delude themselves and buy those PR statements. When the number of writers made it clear that input of everyone involved is bare minimum. Especially her input otherwise she won't be having that excessive amount of writers.

So your argument is that you don't want to listen to what the actual people involved in the creation of the work have to say, instead you want to fabricate a narrative based on nothing but your own assumptions? I mean, that says a lot tbh.

[Alexz]

3 hours ago, BadMonster96 said:

How i don't know about it when the ARTIST HERSELF made a video explaining that Beyoncé stole her song for her own record without asking her ?

i dont need further investigations, the facts are here 

She did that with Already Gone too.

[zoldyck]

Just now, MrLovett said:

So your argument is that you don't want to listen to what the actual people involved in the creation of the work have to say, instead you want to fabricate a narrative based on nothing but your own assumptions? I mean, that says a lot tbh.

no my argument is if you have 24 writers credited on a 4 minute song, the involvement of everyone involved is bare minimum. Regardless of what 24 writers believe, the input by everyone is bound to be bare minimum. 

[Epica]

4 hours ago, Triton said:

 

“Steal”…she’s probably the most fair artist when giving credits. She does her legal homework and names EVERYONE possible. Heck more than needed especially on this album. 
 

 

She failed that homework with Renaissance though…

[Lovett]

Just now, zoldyck said:

no my argument is if you have 24 writers credited on a 4 minute song, the involvement of everyone involved is bare minimum. Regardless of what 24 writers believe, the input by everyone is bound to be bare minimum. 

This is again another argument based on nothing but assumptions, utilising near 0 knowledge of songwriting.  One person could've written all the verses, one could've written the chorus, one could've contributed the hook, 4 could be credited for a small 20 second sample etc. People's contributions all vary wildly, so to blanketly state "the input by everyone is bound to be bare minimum" is not only incredibly presumptuous, it's also patently wrong.

[zoldyck]

Just now, MrLovett said:

This is again another argument based on nothing but assumptions, utilising near 0 knowledge of songwriting.  One person could've written all the verses, one could've written the chorus, one could've contributed the hook, 4 could be credited for a small 20 second sample etc. People's contributions all vary wildly, so to blanketly state "the input by everyone is bound to be bare minimum" is not only incredibly presumptuous, it's also patently wrong.

yes people contribution varies. But their pattern doesn't.

 

Taylor who like 60-100% of song requires two/three more songwriters for the rest of song

Adele who contributes like 40-70% requires 3/4 more songwriters on average for the rest of song

Gaga who contributes like 30-50% requires 4/5 more songwriters on average for the rest of song

 

 

But you guys turn blind eye that every Beyonce songs since ST has heaped of songwriters. Her contribution to her music is bare minimum

[Alexz]

8 minutes ago, zoldyck said:

no my argument is if you have 24 writers credited on a 4 minute song, the involvement of everyone involved is bare minimum. Regardless of what 24 writers believe, the input by everyone is bound to be bare minimum. 

Beyoncé can't write a song by herself, starting from scratch, she always uses already existing melodies and beats.

[MonsterJohn]

I think it's partly of racism/sexism and partly that people seeing her not being able to write songs with little involvement from others

 

she's an amazing performer but as a musical some might not see her as top talent

 

not to mention that most of her albums are local and lacks worldwide impact 

[Aristide]

Yes but that's not the only reason it doesn't deserve AOTY. Kind of shocking it has 100+ writers and yet she came up with one of the weakest 2020's album from any MPG so far.