charts discussion Croatia: Sanja Vučić #1, Kim Petras #6

[greeneyedsoul]

Sanja Vučić scores her first #1 single after girl group Hurricane break-up.

Kim Petras scores the second highest debut of the week and the highest charting international song.

 

Top 10 + international songs

 

1. Sanja Vučić - Omađijan
2. Sajfer - Karneval
3. Jala Brat & Buba Corelli - LaMelo
4. Crni Cerak - CC #3
5. Jala Brat & Buba Corelli - Coco
6. Kim Petras - Unholy
7. Henny - Martini
8. Zera - Baraba
9. Inas -Gigi
10. Relja Torinno & Popovska - Haos, lom

    11. Bebe Rexha - I'm Good

    13. Milica Pavlovic - Provereno

    21. Milica Pavlovic, Albino - Seceru

    25. James Hype, Miggy Dela Rosa - Ferrari

 

 

Source: https://www.billboard.com/charts/croatia-songs-hotw/2022-10-08/

Edited October 4, 2022 by greeneyedsoul

[getinthezone]

What happened to Croatian music ?

[Freaky Prince]

Ivana coming to dethrone

[greeneyedsoul]

3 minutes ago, getinthezone said:

What happened to Croatian music ?

No one listens to Croatian music in Croatia. It at well downhill went Severina applied for Serbian citizenship.

 

[greeneyedsoul]

3 minutes ago, Freaky Prince said:

Ivana coming to dethrone

Be sure to subscribe to her channel. She needs 10k sub to be able to trend. --> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXiDGbc1gyIpa3VKpBKXQDA

 

[Bloodflowers.]

What an abomination. At least Croatia said TRANS RIGHTS for queen Petras, but the rest....

 

 

[greeneyedsoul]

Just now, Bloodflowers. said:

What an abomination. At least Croatia said TRANS RIGHTS for queen Petras, but the rest....

 

 

Croatia said yes to well produced songs and no to local flops.

 

[mystery]

Yikes. 

[greeneyedsoul]

Fun fact: There are no Croatian artists in the top 25.

 

[KillingYourCareer]

Sanja? That was unexpected that girl is so talented and versatile

[KillingYourCareer]

3 minutes ago, greeneyedsoul said:

Fun fact: There are no Croatian artists in the top 25.

 

Yeah like what happened to Croatia being Yugoslavia's music industry epicenter? No offense to Serbs but their mainstream music is tacky and borderline unlistenable, while Croatian music always kept a more polished sound.

[greeneyedsoul]

This is what a "modern" Croatian radio hit sounds like. 

 

 

This will be spammed onto every radio station with no actual demand. But somehow a girl from Serbia being the most streamed is a problem... 

 

[greeneyedsoul]

5 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Yeah like what happened to Croatia being Yugoslavia's music industry epicenter? No offense to Serbs but their mainstream music is tacky and borderline unlistenable, while Croatian music always kept a more polished sound.

Trap is a plague everywhere. But Croatia is apparently too cool even for that. 

 

There are great indie and alternative artists but the problem is that Croatia doesn't have a mainstream scene. Serbian pop artists are more popular here than local pop artists.

 

And Croatia lacks a concert public for local acts. You can do concerts if you're a big star (Severina, Rozga) or a legacy act (Vesna Pisarović). Young acts can't even sell out a bar. 

 

 

[Pendulum]

45 minutes ago, getinthezone said:

What happened to Croatian music ?

Jacques Houdek new single confirmed for Q4

[KillingYourCareer]

2 minutes ago, greeneyedsoul said:

Trap is a plague everywhere. But Croatia is apparently too cool even for that. 

 

There are great indie and alternative artists but the problem is that Croatia doesn't have a mainstream scene. Serbian pop artists are more popular here than local pop artists.

 

And Croatia lacks a concert public for local acts. You can do concerts if you're a big star (Severina, Rozga) or a legacy act (Vesna Pisarović). Young acts can't even sell out a bar.

But why is that? The Croatian music scene was THRIVING until at least the mid-2000s. Dora to Eurovision fans was what Melodifestivalen/Sanremo are now. No idea what went wrong, hopefully someone turns this around.

[greeneyedsoul]

2 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

But why is that? The Croatian music scene was THRIVING until at least the mid-2000s. Dora to Eurovision fans was what Melodifestivalen/Sanremo are now. No idea what went wrong, hopefully someone turns this around.

A mixture of "old" experienced songwriters giving up on their artistry and joining the radio mafia for some quick bucks and not enough younger songwriters making it big due to the monopol the old songwriters and record labels have. 

 

The point is to get your songs played on the radio because that's how you get money. You won't get played unless you're signed to one of the big labels. Your songs have to be vanilla and basic to get played but once when you release songs like that, you won't get any real fans. 

 

Actual popularity and success has been traded for radio success. And those radio songs don't work well live. If you don't have a concert public, you won't make money, unless as previously mentioned, you don't release radio friendly songs and concession fees make up most of your pay. 

 

All those radio artists are also studio artists with barely any experience in live performances. They perform 2-4 songs at various promo events in front of 200 people and that's it. Album promo events are being held in lounge bars in front of label executives and radio programmers and not fans or the public. 

 

An official streaming chart by the local music industry for songs/albums will never be greenlit because it would showcase that not a single soul cares here about local music. 

 

Example, this is a multi-week radio #1. Views count after 6 months: 13k and 14k streams.

 

 

[Plague]

32 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

But why is that? The Croatian music scene was THRIVING until at least the mid-2000s. Dora to Eurovision fans was what Melodifestivalen/Sanremo are now. No idea what went wrong, hopefully someone turns this around.

Because back then we still had uptempo EUROdance pop songs but also other different genres and fusions of ethno and dance sound. Production had more soul and more synths were being used. The artist had some charisma and knew how to entertain but also there were platforms for them like music shows.

 

These days trap made the music very minimalistic, they make a song in a day without any effort. No hooks, choruses being flat... But as greeneyedsoul said even Croatia is avoiding that. We are getting accoustic sounding songs with the same formula - guitar, live drums, bass and piano. Singers are okay looking but basic af and no charisma. Vocally strong but zero stage presence. And there you go... You have few producers and people who are gatekeeping what will be presented on the radio. It's all political.

 

I am wondering if Danijela Martinovic's song "Telefon" ever got an airplay here because it was written by a Serbian songwriter.

[greeneyedsoul]

And the xenophobia towards Serbian artists/songwriters is another topic. Let's put aside Serbian trap and folk music, there are obvious pop artists there too. They are totally blacklisted here. 

 

Franka, a pop singer from Croatia. By most people considered to be an industry plant (not that relevant for this example). Since her comeback in 2017 she only had top 5 radio singles and multiple #1's; she released a collab with Serbian singer Sara Jo and the song barely charted and peaked @#38. In the middle of Franka's top 5 streak.

Damir Kedžo, also one airplay favorite. His whole career he only had radio top 10's, he releases a song with Serbian pop singer Tijana Bogićević - the song babarely cracked the top 20, dropped out of the chart after two weeks. The song was just as all of his others (lame and boring but great for radio) but it had a Serbian feat. 

 

So many songs during 00's Dora editions were ghostwritten by Serbs but their credits had to be taken out to be eligible. 

 

Severina's songs that are written by Croatian songwriters get airplay, her songs by Serbian writers barely get airplay or don't get any at all. 

[KillingYourCareer]

28 minutes ago, Plague said:

Because back then we still had uptempo EUROdance pop songs but also other different genres and fusions of ethno and dance sound. Production had more soul and more synths were being used. The artist had some charisma and knew how to entertain but also there were platforms for them like music shows.

 

These days trap made the music very minimalistic, they make a song in a day without any effort. No hooks, choruses being flat... But as greeneyedsoul said even Croatia is avoiding that. We are getting accoustic sounding songs with the same formula - guitar, live drums, bass and piano. Singers are okay looking but basic af and no charisma. Vocally strong but zero stage presence. And there you go... You have few producers and people who are gatekeeping what will be presented on the radio. It's all political.

 

I am wondering if Danijela Martinovic's song "Telefon" ever got an airplay here because it was written by a Serbian songwriter.

 

31 minutes ago, greeneyedsoul said:

A mixture of "old" experienced songwriters giving up on their artistry and joining the radio mafia for some quick bucks and not enough younger songwriters making it big due to the monopol the old songwriters and record labels have. 

 

The point is to get your songs played on the radio because that's how you get money. You won't get played unless you're signed to one of the big labels. Your songs have to be vanilla and basic to get played but once when you release songs like that, you won't get any real fans. 

 

Actual popularity and success has been traded for radio success. And those radio songs don't work well live. If you don't have a concert public, you won't make money, unless as previously mentioned, you don't release radio friendly songs and concession fees make up most of your pay. 

 

All those radio artists are also studio artists with barely any experience in live performances. They perform 2-4 songs at various promo events in front of 200 people and that's it. Album promo events are being held in lounge bars in front of label executives and radio programmers and not fans or the public. 

 

An official streaming chart by the local music industry for songs/albums will never be greenlit because it would showcase that not a single soul cares here about local music. 

 

Example, this is a multi-week radio #1. Views count after 6 months: 13k and 14k streams.

 

 

The thing with trap is that it's exclusively a streaming genre in Europe. It doesn't get played on the radio. Audio streaming still isn't big in Croatia, so the trap wave was avoided by national labels. So they're going to be a massive discrepancy between what people actively consume and what the radio plays.

[getinthezone]

2 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said:

But why is that? The Croatian music scene was THRIVING until at least the mid-2000s. Dora to Eurovision fans was what Melodifestivalen/Sanremo are now. No idea what went wrong, hopefully someone turns this around.

Pop music became less popular on the balkans and was replaced by post war turbo folk. Croatia started being more welcome to Serb artists I guess ( and from Bosnia)

Edited October 4, 2022 by getinthezone

[greeneyedsoul]

The example with trap was that even when it's the most popular genre currently, for whatever reason there aren't many Croatian trap artists either. There are some, they are popular but it seems like Croatia has been isolated from music trends for the past 15 years already. 

 

OK, trap won't get any airplay and Serbian pop artists are blacklisted but the international songs that are streamed are also played on the radio and that's isn't the case with local songs. 

 

This is literally the only song this year that has been both a radio and streaming hit. 

 

 

That's why we're also flopping at Eurovision. You can't have a flop local music scene and expect wonders. 

[greeneyedsoul]

5 minutes ago, getinthezone said:

Pop music became less popular on the balkans and was replaced by post war turbo folk. Croatia started being more welcome to Serb artists I guess ( and from Bosnia)

Serbian (and generally ex-yu) artists have always been popular here. But at one point the local scene started flopping so locals switched to mostly consuming ex-yu music and YouTube and streaming charts started emerging which ultimately proved the folk, folk-pop and trap are the most consumed genres here. Just because Croatian labels tried to erase any trace of Serbian popular music, doesn't mean that they just recently started to be popular. 

 

There are Serbian artists that are being tolerated tho. Frajle, Sars and Serbian ex-yu rock bands. Riblja Čorba whose frontmann is openly a Chetnik just had a multi-week #1 album here. That's fine because they're a rock group. But Milica Pavlović and other singers do not even have privilege to have their CDs even shipped here. 

[Hurem]

Screaming at “Kim Petras #6”  

 

The way only a handful of Croatian gays know who Kim is, while Sam is a GP darling

[Jude]

The disrespect to Sam.

[Hurem]

2 hours ago, greeneyedsoul said:

A mixture of "old" experienced songwriters giving up on their artistry and joining the radio mafia for some quick bucks and not enough younger songwriters making it big due to the monopol the old songwriters and record labels have. 

 

The point is to get your songs played on the radio because that's how you get money. You won't get played unless you're signed to one of the big labels. Your songs have to be vanilla and basic to get played but once when you release songs like that, you won't get any real fans. 

 

Actual popularity and success has been traded for radio success. And those radio songs don't work well live. If you don't have a concert public, you won't make money, unless as previously mentioned, you don't release radio friendly songs and concession fees make up most of your pay. 

 

All those radio artists are also studio artists with barely any experience in live performances. They perform 2-4 songs at various promo events in front of 200 people and that's it. Album promo events are being held in lounge bars in front of label executives and radio programmers and not fans or the public. 

 

An official streaming chart by the local music industry for songs/albums will never be greenlit because it would showcase that not a single soul cares here about local music. 

 

Example, this is a multi-week radio #1. Views count after 6 months: 13k and 14k streams.

 

 

This flawfree drag

 

All this + the fact that younger generations growing up to be bunch of rednecks guarantees success of turbo folk music - which is overall pretty bad and sounds super cheap.

 

Croatian music industry is not profitable whatsoever, but all this is happening because of corruption