discussion Brazil presidential elections: Round 2 - Lula defeats Bolsonaro!! ??

[Cheers]

Bolsonaro vai pro inferno!!!

 

Velho, come merda e morre

[4Real]

8 minutes ago, ToMmY said:

People acting as if Lula is much better than Bolsonaro.

He definitely is.

[ToMmY]

Just now, 4Real said:

He definitely is.

Sure, Fátima.

[NausAllien]

9 minutes ago, ToMmY said:

People acting as if Lula is much better than Bolsonaro. Reminder that only one of them went to jail.

 

I've been saying it for a long time. Lula and Bolsonaro are two sides of the same coin. Populism is ALWAYS bad, whether is left-wing populism or right-wing populism.

 

[4Real]

Just now, ToMmY said:

Sure, Fátima.

Lula didn't make fun of people infected with covid dying running out of air SEVERAL TIMES. now sit down 

[NausAllien]

3 minutes ago, 4Real said:

Lula didn't make fun of people infected with covid dying running out of air SEVERAL TIMES. now sit down 

Lula's still a criminal. The only reason he's not in jail is due to a technicism.

[rihannabiggestfan]

6 hours ago, NausAllien said:

I've been saying it for a long time. Lula and Bolsonaro are two sides of the same coin. Populism is ALWAYS bad, whether is left-wing populism or right-wing populism.

 

No, corrupt neoliberalism is ALWAYS bad. How is "You deserve to have healthcare and a living wage" bad? 

[liquiddiamonds]

If you’re not brazilian shut the **** up about our politics or at least be polite enough to acknowledge that you don’t know ****.  
 

Brazil has clearly headed to a more conservative direction in both houses, with Bolsonaro’s adding more representatives by itself than the Worker’s Party coalition. Some were already party of his government were known to flame the issues and be completely jackasses to people in general. So expect a shitshow in the houses the next years. This populist conversation goin on here is just a big ass strawman, because Lula is not governing the way he wants or wishes to with a stronger conservative base in the house and the center parties still going strong - although some did lose steam with Bolsonaro not associating himself with them as hard as in 2018. Remember that negotiations with the center regarding passing bills were at the root of the first corruption scandal during his first term back in the early-2000s. 
 

If Bolsonaro wins he will easily pass the bills that are better for his agenda - and we have seen enough of that these last four years. The left didn’t gain enough ground to counter that in both houses. I’d even say that the overall performance by the coalition was very similar to previous years when PT was by itself, so it’s underwhelming to say the least for them. That’s also a consequence of the left being fragmented in Brazil in their quest to which one is the true left with the right ideals, since PT is not officially a communist nor socialist party, as famous as they got for being one. They’re pretty center left, mostly due to welfare. So as lojg as the left stays wasting votes on small candidates that have read Marx and Engels but have no chance to secure a seat nothing won’t change. The right is way too rich and powerful to be simply defeated by groundwork with small communities that are just a tiny piece of the big states that elect people.

 

 

so let’s stop with these fake equivalencies between Bolsonaro and Lula. We can criticize Lula without denying he was way more strategic with his policies, achieving and managing economic growth, and he also had a better agenda regarding the environment. Four more years of whatever **** we saw with oleo leakages and the rainforest on fire in record-breaking scale, with indigenous populations being murdered and having their lands stripped from them for exploitation - that then is not diverged back to the population that has been going through hunger in new highs. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ******* COIN. Grow a brain

Edited October 3, 2022 by liquiddiamonds

[liquiddiamonds]

Lula is lowkey paying for the terrible choice of giving continuity to the lowering industrial levels of Brazil since democracy was started. He saw the commodities wave and invested hard to ride the wave with the sector, but that was a passing moment. We’re weaker industry-wise now and the elite that grew out of the commodity boom grew to despise him. With primary goods/agribusinesses as the big economic sectors now, because they’ve seen unprecedented gains with exportation, and are naturally from conservative states, they heavily support Bolsonaro. This is the new, stronger elite, no longer the urban industrialists, that influence local politics and pour money enough to make sure things go their way. They didn’t turn their backs against Bolsonaro, although they were open to hearing with Lula in case he is to win. The common brazilian has been losing the inflation wars, but this elite is a completely different Brazil making a lot of money with their contracts in dollar currency lol Even if Lula were to do the same as Bolsonaro in benefitting them, they’d still lean more conservative for social reasons. So they can only be truly defeated with new counter-elites popping up, which would be a natural result of decentralized economic development, which we haven’t seen in years… so it aint happening. They’ll be holding us hostage to their personal enrichment project for many more years to come… 

[Chemist]

Ugh so close to a win  Hopefully the ones that voted for other party's/didn't vote realize that another 4 years of Bolsonaro means an irreversible damage to the world (by the deforestation of the Amazon)

[anti-bitch]

3 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said:

If you’re not brazilian shut the **** up about our politics or at least be polite enough to acknowledge that you don’t know ****.  
 

Brazil has clearly headed to a more conservative direction in both houses, with Bolsonaro’s adding more representatives by itself than the Worker’s Party coalition. Some were already party of his government were known to flame the issues and be completely jackasses to people in general. So expect a shitshow in the houses the next years. This populist conversation goin on here is just a big ass strawman, because Lula is not governing the way he wants or wishes to with a stronger conservative base in the house and the center parties still going strong - although some did lose steam with Bolsonaro not associating himself with them as hard as in 2018. Remember that negotiations with the center regarding passing bills were at the root of the first corruption scandal during his first term back in the early-2000s. 
 

If Bolsonaro wins he will easily pass the bills that are better for his agenda - and we have seen enough of that these last four years. The left didn’t gain enough ground to counter that in both houses. I’d even say that the overall performance by the coalition was very similar to previous years when PT was by itself, so it’s underwhelming to say the least for them. That’s also a consequence of the left being fragmented in Brazil in their quest to which one is the true left with the right ideals, since PT is not officially a communist nor socialist party, as famous as they got for being one. They’re pretty center left, mostly due to welfare. So as lojg as the left stays wasting votes on small candidates that have read Marx and Engels but have no chance to secure a seat nothing won’t change. The right is way too rich and powerful to be simply defeated by groundwork with small communities that are just a tiny piece of the big states that elect people.

 

 

so let’s stop with these fake equivalencies between Bolsonaro and Lula. We can criticize Lula without denying he was way more strategic with his policies, achieving and managing economic growth, and he also had a better agenda regarding the environment. Four more years of whatever **** we saw with oleo leakages and the rainforest on fire in record-breaking scale, with indigenous populations being murdered and having their lands stripped from them for exploitation - that then is not diverged back to the population that has been going through hunger in new highs. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ******* COIN. Grow a brain

Thank you!! Great to hear from a local perspective rather than the American whataboutists here.

 

I'm pleased that there seems to be kinda left/labour wave happening in these big countries now, when you think about Trump losing, Boris Johnson getting ousted, Liz Truss ******* up, and Bolsonaro possibly losing too.

[Otana]

13 hours ago, NausAllien said:

I've been saying it for a long time. Lula and Bolsonaro are two sides of the same coin. Populism is ALWAYS bad, whether is left-wing populism or right-wing populism.

 

Now this is the same exact thought that has led to Bolsonaro (an OPENLY racist, homophobic, sexist, corrupt RAT) winning in 2018. And if there's still stupid people thinking this way, we'll have this ******* as president for 4 more years. 

 

Então, VAI A MERDA!

Edited October 3, 2022 by Otana

[AmandaHP]

5 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said:

If you’re not brazilian shut the **** up about our politics or at least be polite enough to acknowledge that you don’t know ****.  
 

Brazil has clearly headed to a more conservative direction in both houses, with Bolsonaro’s adding more representatives by itself than the Worker’s Party coalition. Some were already party of his government were known to flame the issues and be completely jackasses to people in general. So expect a shitshow in the houses the next years. This populist conversation goin on here is just a big ass strawman, because Lula is not governing the way he wants or wishes to with a stronger conservative base in the house and the center parties still going strong - although some did lose steam with Bolsonaro not associating himself with them as hard as in 2018. Remember that negotiations with the center regarding passing bills were at the root of the first corruption scandal during his first term back in the early-2000s. 
 

If Bolsonaro wins he will easily pass the bills that are better for his agenda - and we have seen enough of that these last four years. The left didn’t gain enough ground to counter that in both houses. I’d even say that the overall performance by the coalition was very similar to previous years when PT was by itself, so it’s underwhelming to say the least for them. That’s also a consequence of the left being fragmented in Brazil in their quest to which one is the true left with the right ideals, since PT is not officially a communist nor socialist party, as famous as they got for being one. They’re pretty center left, mostly due to welfare. So as lojg as the left stays wasting votes on small candidates that have read Marx and Engels but have no chance to secure a seat nothing won’t change. The right is way too rich and powerful to be simply defeated by groundwork with small communities that are just a tiny piece of the big states that elect people.

 

 

so let’s stop with these fake equivalencies between Bolsonaro and Lula. We can criticize Lula without denying he was way more strategic with his policies, achieving and managing economic growth, and he also had a better agenda regarding the environment. Four more years of whatever **** we saw with oleo leakages and the rainforest on fire in record-breaking scale, with indigenous populations being murdered and having their lands stripped from them for exploitation - that then is not diverged back to the population that has been going through hunger in new highs. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ******* COIN. Grow a brain

Thank you! 

[anti-bitch]

47 minutes ago, Otana said:

Now this is the same exact thought that has led to Bolsonaro (an OPENLY racist, homophobic, sexist, corrupt RAT) winning in 2018. And if there's still stupid people thinking this way, we'll have this ******* as president for 4 more years. 

 

Então, VAI A MERDA!

It seems that there's always this hyper focus on economics in all elections, which is crucial ofc but it comes at the cost of social issues being pushed aside. People will literally vote for another Hitler if they feel it benefits them financially.

[Selegend]

omg our congress and senate 

bolsonarism won hard last night... 

 

lula NEEDS to win the election, bolsonaro would be able to aprove anything he wants the next 4 years since he won hard with the congress, senate and even states governors yesterday. 

it will be hard for lula to approve the things he wants but bolsonaro CAN'T be in power with the congress and senate so much on his side like wtf.

this would be a tragedy even worse than 2018-22. omg i'm so worried. 

 

let's see how even more headed to the center PT will be with this runoff. and they need to be... it can seem for some people that with 48% his win is guaranteed but let's be honest, it's not. bolsonarism showed so much power yesterday. 

now it's time to make it clear that a new Lula Era will be more like Lula 1, not Lula 2 and certainly not Dilma's.

he needs to make people sure that this is Center x Far-right. Not Left x Right. Alckmin already helped with that but now it's time for Lula to be clear about it, to speak about it, to even change some things on his government plan. 

this is literally our only chance so don't attack the messenger (me), lmao 

 

 

 

[4Real]

14 hours ago, Otana said:

Now this is the same exact thought that has led to Bolsonaro (an OPENLY racist, homophobic, sexist, corrupt RAT) winning in 2018. And if there's still stupid people thinking this way, we'll have this ******* as president for 4 more years. 

 

Então, VAI A MERDA!

Exactly!!!

 

E aquele merda nem deve ser brasileiro.

[Otana]

ATRL stands with Lula 2022!

 

 

[Communion]

 

[Chemist]

 

 

Wtf is going on in Brazil

[Chemist]

 

[Communion]

 

[Cloudy]

It's beyond me that citizens see what's happening and would still support Bolsonaro

 

Poor Brazil honestly, such a beautiful and incredible country, but so much chaos

[LookinAssHittas]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

 

Bolsonaro is so evil for this. This is literally giving 2020 US elections with the voter suppression.

 

[LookinAssHittas]

By the way, Neymar is an absolute DISGRACE.

 

The way he’s been posting Bolsonaro propaganda all over his Instagram page & Instagram stories for the past month  what an absolute clown. I really hope his massive fanbase in Brazil aren’t being influenced by his shenanigans.

[kwek_kwek]

Brazilians better not to follow Filipinos and choose the more/most evil candidate. We just voted the son of former dictator.