discussion This is why people are mad Ariel was race swapped.

[ConceptD]

2 hours ago, Hephaestus said:

She actually made several points. If only people took the time to listen to a WOC giving her opinion on the matter...

 

I'll support and watch The Little Mermaid because I like the original movie, but I'll never stand up for race-swapping of already established characters. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved because it erases the legacy and representation of a character that is already known and loved by millions of people and puts the "new version" of it (and its community by extension) in a really bad spot because of all the hate that comes with that decision.

 

At the end of the day, race-swapping a character is just a lazy move and does more harm than good. Everyone would be happier if Hollywood focused on creating new, original stories for POC because we've seen that people do enjoy and support representation in media when done well.

Have you heard Halle Bailey sing? I don’t think there is a better person working at the moment for the role. I don’t believe she got the role simply because she’s black because if that was the case they could’ve gotten someone like zendaya who is also a great singer, has an established connection to Disney and is much more famous than Halle. Halle got it because she is right for it and the film is about Ariel’s voice and no one can pull this off better imo. 

[Flanders]

1 hour ago, Hephaestus said:

Disney didn't choose an actress that didn't resemble Belle though. Can you imagine if they race-swapped Aladdin, Mulan, Moana, Black Panther?

Their ethnicity is central to the story in those films.. in Ariel it doesn’t matter as much

[Obsession]

I'm sorry but this video's thesis is false.

 

We see people get angry when there are original nonwhite characters such as Arondir in Rings of Power or Andor in Star Wars, so the issue is not that people want Hollywood to create original nonwhite characters. They just don't want characters who aren't white on their screens unless they're in the background.

[Hephaestus]

8 minutes ago, ConceptD said:

Have you heard Halle Bailey sing? I don’t think there is a better person working at the moment for the role. I don’t believe she got the role simply because she’s black because if that was the case they could’ve gotten someone like zendaya who is also a great singer, has an established connection to Disney and is much more famous than Halle. Halle got it because she is right for it and the film is about Ariel’s voice and no one can pull this off better imo. 

Where did I say that Halle won’t do a great job in this? Matter of fact, she might even be the best voice for the role, but Disney has definitely overestimated that her voice alone would be enough to prevent people getting riled up over such a substantial change in appearance of the main character. I’m sure the movie will do well, but I wonder if it’s worth putting talent through such a stressful experience for a race-swapped character when they could focus on creating original and meaningful stories to give POC the representation they deserve.

 

10 minutes ago, Flanders said:

Their ethnicity is central to the story in those films.. in Ariel it doesn’t matter as much

It matters to people who grew loving that version of the character though, that’s why people are complaining.

[400Iux]

8 minutes ago, Obsession said:

I'm sorry but this video's thesis is false.

 

We see people get angry when there are original nonwhite characters such as Arondir in Rings of Power or Andor in Star Wars, so the issue is not that people want Hollywood to create original nonwhite characters. They just don't want characters who aren't white on their screens unless they're in the background.

THANK YOU I'm so tired of racists using that obvious lie. When a character is raceswapped they say "I just want it to be true to the original!" and then when original work is made with POC they're like "I'm tired of this woke ****!" so it's obvious what everybody really means.

[Headlock]

It’s a ******* mermaid, just say y’all are racist and go 

[PennywiseTheClown]

1 hour ago, cypriotpcdfan said:

Fantastic video  

 

She saw both points of view without any bias and using LOGIC and made her points with so much elegance, intelligence and facts. 

 

Sure, a lot of the people upset with this COULD be racist, but she tried to give the overall view, which I think is very on point. 

 

Instead of Hollywood trying to race swap characters, they should be focusing on creating brand new characters and stories. Give more black writers/directors/producers the chance to write new stories involving black main characters instead of turning already existing characters black. That's the lazy way to appear 'inclusive' and it seems like a cheap tactic to get 'woke points'. 

 

On the other hand, I do understand the importance of seeing little girls/boys feeling represented in the media through art and those videos of black girls being so excited to see the little mermaid looking like them are truly emotional. 

 

But why not create a new black Disney princess that the new generation can look up to? A whole new story? 

 

Anyways, I will be subscribing to this channel. This woman sounds incredibly smart and gets it. 

 

 

Well said 

[cypriotpcdfan]

16 minutes ago, Obsession said:

I'm sorry but this video's thesis is false.

 

We see people get angry when there are original nonwhite characters such as Arondir in Rings of Power or Andor in Star Wars, so the issue is not that people want Hollywood to create original nonwhite characters. They just don't want characters who aren't white on their screens unless they're in the background.

But I can name you tons of movies that were POC lead/whole cast that were huge box office/critical hits. 

[Lovett]

3 hours ago, MrDog said:

The movie's gonna bomb 

There's a 0% chance the film is going to bomb and I'm so glad that upsets you.

[Peroxide]

I watched a third of this and nah…

 

She claims people don’t like “re-casting”, babe… this is a REMAKE. Airel is a f*cking cartoon.

 

She basically implied women are highly emotional/sentimental creatures and having nostalgia “tampered with” is a problem.

Also the use of gif/meme (woman in green coat screaming) which the alt right LOVES to use 24/7 was enough to give me the ick factor

Edited September 24, 2022 by Peroxide

[Johnny Jacobs]

Never cared about who the actress will be.. I just wanted the red hair 

[PennywiseTheClown]

17 minutes ago, Obsession said:

I'm sorry but this video's thesis is false.

 

We see people get angry when there are original nonwhite characters such as Arondir in Rings of Power or Andor in Star Wars, so the issue is not that people want Hollywood to create original nonwhite characters. They just don't want characters who aren't white on their screens unless they're in the background.

Obviously there are people who are racist, and they should be dragged to the pits. But this is such a shortsighted response. Arondir gets hated by fans because it's a made up character by Amazon that simply cannot exist in the fantasy world Tolkien created. They aren't mad he's black, they are mad he's a black elf. They're mad Amazon doesn't respect the source material they cherish so much.

And funny you mention Andor, because Rogue One is the one Disney Star Wars film the fans actually love and praise. Even though the main lead is female, the rest of the heroes are all POC and the vilains are white men. 

[Frappucino]

I didn't bother watching tbh bc it's obvious with these remakes that Disney is trying to pull in a new audience (Gen Z & Alpha) with beloved classics. This movie wasn't made for you to relieve the classic, it was made for the younger generation to be included by having their own version. At this point they're not gonna cave in to the loud minority considering most of the remakes have been quite successful soooo... give it up Delish! 

 

[Fetish for MiMi]

I’ll be watching to support Miss Chlöe’s sister 

[Peroxide]

“Race swapping is lazy, give black actors/directors/stories the opportunity to showcase some originality”

 

Okay, that’s a PERFECTLY fine take… (even though so many racists are using this as a smoke screen), riddle me this…

 

Original live action blockbusters are RARE these days, and when a big studio like Disney decides to turn one out (The Nutcracker, A Wrinkle In Time, Jungle Cruise) more often than not these movies don’t become huge juggernauts at the Box Office…

 

However, just look at Cinderella, Beauty & The Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King - whilst these movies have their issues and fluctuate in quality… remaking animated Disney classics into live action properties has proven to be very lucrative. They are more or less guaranteed to be successful… and a property as beloved as The Little Mermaid was always going to be massive.

 

Now look at the Disney Princess line-up pre Tangled… since Snow White, we have seen ONE Black Princess in Tiana from The Princess & The Frog and that movie didn’t even perform well! Not to mention she spent most of the movie as a damn frog

 

Representation matters. It really is as simple as that… black children get to see Airel on screen and feel beautiful, worthy and powerful. Reimagining Airel like this made perfect sense.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Peroxide

[Obsession]

8 minutes ago, PennywiseTheClown said:

Obviously there are people who are racist, and they should be dragged to the pits. But this is such a shortsighted response. Arondir gets hated by fans because it's a made up character by Amazon that simply cannot exist in the fantasy world Tolkien created. They aren't mad he's black, they are mad he's a black elf. They're mad Amazon doesn't respect the source material they cherish so much.

And funny you mention Andor, because Rogue One is the one Disney Star Wars film the fans actually love and praise. Even though the main lead is female, the rest of the heroes are all POC and the vilains are white men. 

Elves are made up. Lord of the Rings is made up. They're not real. The shows are not even directly adapting the Tolkien novels. There's no valid reason to be racist. 

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

1 hour ago, Obsession said:

I'm sorry but this video's thesis is false.

 

We see people get angry when there are original nonwhite characters such as Arondir in Rings of Power or Andor in Star Wars, so the issue is not that people want Hollywood to create original nonwhite characters. They just don't want characters who aren't white on their screens unless they're in the background.

WELL SAID 

[Rotunda]

 

3 hours ago, Hephaestus said:

Disney didn't choose an actress that didn't resemble Belle though. Can you imagine if they race-swapped Aladdin, Mulan, Moana, Black Panther?

Please explain to me how the movie Black Panther, which is principally about race, works with race-swapping. Quickly. 

[Rotunda]

2 hours ago, cypriotpcdfan said:

Fantastic video  

 

She saw both points of view without any bias and using LOGIC and made her points with so much elegance, intelligence and facts. 

 

Sure, a lot of the people upset with this COULD be racist, but she tried to give the overall view, which I think is very on point. 

 

Instead of Hollywood trying to race swap characters, they should be focusing on creating brand new characters and stories. Give more black writers/directors/producers the chance to write new stories involving black main characters instead of turning already existing characters black. That's the lazy way to appear 'inclusive' and it seems like a cheap tactic to get 'woke points'. 

 

On the other hand, I do understand the importance of seeing little girls/boys feeling represented in the media through art and those videos of black girls being so excited to see the little mermaid looking like them are truly emotional. 

 

But why not create a new black Disney princess that the new generation can look up to? A whole new story? 

 

Anyways, I will be subscribing to this channel. This woman sounds incredibly smart and gets it. 

 

 

1) haven’t you been banned in the past for bigoted comments 

 

2) People complain even when side characters or new characters are Black in films. Just look at the LOTR/GOT controversies. (White) people aren’t upset about the change of “existing stories” (we had a Black Cinderella with an Asian Prince years ago), they’re upset because they feel like they aren’t being centered in media as much anymore.

 

The mere existence of Black people in roles that aren’t specifically focused on race upsets them - so much to the point that they assume our inclusion in the arts is “wokeness” and that none of these people are talented enough to deserve their parts. That’s racism.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Rotunda

[Revolution]

3 hours ago, Hephaestus said:

She actually made several points. If only people took the time to listen to a WOC giving her opinion on the matter...

 

I'll support and watch The Little Mermaid because I like the original movie, but I'll never stand up for race-swapping of already established characters. It's a lose-lose situation for everyone involved because it erases the legacy and representation of a character that is already known and loved by millions of people and puts the "new version" of it (and its community by extension) in a really bad spot because of all the hate that comes with that decision.

 

At the end of the day, race-swapping a character is just a lazy move and does more harm than good. Everyone would be happier if Hollywood focused on creating new, original stories for POC because we've seen that people do enjoy and support representation in media when done well.

Where's the race swapping? Ariel is part of the human race. Halle is part of the human race. 

[anti-bitch]

My opinion is that it's all fictional anyway so nothing really matters. But it must be nice for little black girls, and maybe some boys too, to see someone relatable on the screen. I just don't understand this obsession with remakes from Disney. It must be a cash grab and nothing but. I'd rather see them making something original like The Princess and the Frog again.

[dman4life]

1 hour ago, Obsession said:

I'm sorry but this video's thesis is false.

 

We see people get angry when there are original nonwhite characters such as Arondir in Rings of Power or Andor in Star Wars, so the issue is not that people want Hollywood to create original nonwhite characters. They just don't want characters who aren't white on their screens unless they're in the background.

Thank you!!! 

[cypriotpcdfan]

11 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

1) haven’t you been banned in the past for bigoted comments 

 

2) People complain even when side characters or new characters are Black in films. Just look at the LOTR/GOT controversies. (White) people aren’t upset about the change of “existing stories” (we had a Black Cinderella with an Asian Prince years ago), they’re upset because they feel like they aren’t being centered in media as much anymore.

 

The mere existence of Black people in roles that aren’t specifically focused on race upsets them - so much to the point that they assume our inclusion in the arts is “wokeness” and that none of these people are talented enough to deserve their parts. That’s racism.

Me? Absolutely not. Please don't throw such accusations at people you don't even know to try and create a narrative. You could have argued with what I said without having to paint me as a bigot. 

 

Also, I did say in my comment that of course many of those complaining could be racist. I'm not arguing that. But just like the woman in the video, I see it with a wider view. 

 

If you think studios aren't throwing in a few token black people in their films/shows for woke points, then you are completely missing the issue. 

 

I'd rather support ACTUAL black art that has meaning, value and artistry behind it instead of being happy that GOT/LOTR threw in 2 black characters in the mix with no logic behind it just so they can avoid the backlash of not being 'inclusive'. 

 

I'd rather watch and support movies and TV shows solely created by black directors/writers that feature all black cast like Marlon Wayans, Jordan Peele, Lee Daniels etc that are trying to break the mold with ORIGINAL content, creating work for all types of black creatives in the Entertainment Industry and showing what true representation should be all about. 

 

This performative activism by Hollywood is so dry and try hard that it takes away from the creativity of the arts. 

 

If you are happy with Hollywood taking stories, movies and TV shows that were 'white' and turning them 'black' instead of giving more opportunities to black creators to release and create original content, then you are a part of the problem without even realizing. 

 

 

Also, just like there were many times where 'white people' were upset at things like these, I can name you tons of movies/tv shows that were massively successful, both in terms of sales and acclaim, that featured mostly POC cast. So, it's not as black and white as you try to portray it to be. 

 

Anyway, I could care less if Ariel is white or black. But the woman in the video raised some incredibly valid points. 

 

Now, go ahead and pick 2 sentences from all the things I've shared above to try and create and further push a narrative that I'm possibly racist or bigoted instead of trying to understand where I'm coming from, from what I've said. 

[PennywiseTheClown]

4 minutes ago, Obsession said:

Elves are made up. Lord of the Rings is made up. They're not real. The shows are not even directly adapting the Tolkien novels. There's no valid reason to be racist. 

I agree, but I don't think most fans criticizing a character like Arondir are racist. They're lore purists. Like the girl in the video says, there would be outrage too if Ariel was white & blonde in this new film. People with a deep connection to something want it to be the way it's supposed to be, while people with less connection to the original art are in general more open to a free interpretation. I think that's why race swapping is such a heated debate

[Cloudy]

I agree that Disney Animation specifically has been very very lazy with new original content, but you know that remake live action money is good and easy so they keep relying on nostalgia. I'm sure there are dozens of black fantasy stories they could adapt, but they are too lazy and complacent to do it. Wasn't it said some years ago that they were doing some kind of African tale as a future project? I wonder what happened with that.

 

I don't mind nor care about the race bending, but it definitely felt "forced" because there's no point in her being black if Triton and the rest of her sisters are all going to be different colors. It shows that it's performative and there's no commitment from Disney's part imo. That would be my only "complaint" about it.

 

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Cloudy