DonSiblon Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 22 hours ago, Buddy said: Monarchy in 2022 is such a joke and they people who indulge in it are pathetic I feel like we need to go back to tradition and bring back true monarchy and royal powers. Bring back the guillotine and castles, bring back real leaders! Enough of these clowns politicians like Dump and Byeden.
Buddy Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, DonSiblon said: I feel like we need to go back to tradition and bring back true monarchy and royal powers. Bring back the guillotine and castles, bring back real leaders! Enough of these clowns politicians like Dump and Byeden. No, we don't!
Tropez Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 Bring out the guillotines and abolish the monarchy.
popmusicisdead Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, DonSiblon said: I feel like we need to go back to tradition and bring back true monarchy and royal powers. Bring back the guillotine and castles, bring back real leaders! Enough of these clowns politicians like Dump and Byeden. a concept. let's Marie Antoinette a certain consort
BlackStar_93 Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 22 hours ago, Pink Ranger said: I don’t think these people realise how much money the monarchy brings to the country through tourism alone. don’t get me wrong I agree with everything these people are saying because our government is destroying our great country making us the laughing stock of major nations, but heckling this man who’s just trying to get through this farce of a funeral that’s already probably costing the tax payer a fortune is not his fault. Give him time to make his mark, man’s been king for all of a week These people should be heckling the shitty Tory government for answers as after all they are the ones doing this not him. The tourism thing is a myth: https://www.republic.org.uk/tourism Whilst UK heritage sites do bring in revenue, the rhetoric that it's the spearhead of our tourism industry is false. For example, our three major zoos (London, Chester, and Whipsnade) are all in the top 10 paid tourist destinations as of 2022 and bring in more revenue than any royal site. Windsor Castle is behind Chester zoo, Somerset House, and the Botanical Gardens (organizations with no formal royal ties or funding). I do agree with what you say about the Tories, though. The royals hold very little political power these days so if we truly want change, that change comes from parliament - not the monarchy.
BlackStar_93 Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/17/2022 at 6:22 AM, Trav said: Instead of waiting countless hours to be front in line at a parade, maybe go to work - could help pay for heating your home in this historically hot European summer. You're completely missing the point. Telling everyone to get on with it is being complicit with the absolute ****show that is the UK - people need to speak up. Our minimum wage is absolute garbage and doesn't match the current cost of living. Not to mention many people (Royal Mail, rail workers) are currently on strike for poor pay and god knows it won't be long before some of our most important professionals (teachers & nurses) go on strike for the daylight robbery they experience for the hard work they do. Tax is at an all-time high and the UK is on a one-way ticket to a major economic recession, with the £ currently being at its lowest in 37 years. Elderly people on low retirement pay and struggling families with low income are going to have to make a choice between buying food or putting their heating on this winter, and your solution is "go to work"? Also, you're being obtuse mentioning the 'historically hot summer'. You know damn well people aren't talking about putting their heating on in July/August, because the 2-3 months of good weather we have in the UK doesn't compare to the long winters and short days we have from October - March.
WiredBrain Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 The "parade" will generate millions, swings and roundabouts.
P!nk Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 I live in the UK but I have no clue why he’s hated? Obviously not by everyone but a good fair few it seems.
Gorgeous Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 On 9/17/2022 at 8:55 AM, Pans Labyrinth said: Spains monarchy's impacT
Gorgeous Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 14 hours ago, Elusive Chanteuse said: Someone who was the forced figure head of a country for 70 years should have a large funeral. fixed
Sugar-Rush Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) On 9/16/2022 at 10:22 PM, Trav said: Instead of waiting countless hours to be front in line at a parade, maybe go to work - could help pay for heating your home in this historically hot European summer. This. Why waste hours standing around just to complain about something so trivial? I mean it's technically still summer, so why even complain about needing to heat your home...? Edited September 18, 2022 by Sugar-Rush
Trav Posted September 18, 2022 Posted September 18, 2022 13 hours ago, BlackStar_93 said: You're completely missing the point. Telling everyone to get on with it is being complicit with the absolute ****show that is the UK - people need to speak up. Our minimum wage is absolute garbage and doesn't match the current cost of living. Not to mention many people (Royal Mail, rail workers) are currently on strike for poor pay and god knows it won't be long before some of our most important professionals (teachers & nurses) go on strike for the daylight robbery they experience for the hard work they do. Tax is at an all-time high and the UK is on a one-way ticket to a major economic recession, with the £ currently being at its lowest in 37 years. Elderly people on low retirement pay and struggling families with low income are going to have to make a choice between buying food or putting their heating on this winter, and your solution is "go to work"? Also, you're being obtuse mentioning the 'historically hot summer'. You know damn well people aren't talking about putting their heating on in July/August, because the 2-3 months of good weather we have in the UK doesn't compare to the long winters and short days we have from October - March. Many major economies are headed into a recession, many major countries have low minimum wages as well. Dollar for dollar, taking into account how much the royal bring into the economy, it is likely that any difference between what the royals receive from the taxpayers and what they generate for the economy is so negligible that complaining about it is a waste of time. Every country wastes money on stuff some don't find important. If there was truly enough support to abolish the monarchy, it would have happened by now. The extra few dollars per person per year the royals cost the UK won't help with those September heating bills anyways. Tackle the larger problems that can actually have some conceivable impact.
LesFleur Posted September 19, 2022 Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) On 9/18/2022 at 10:11 AM, BlackStar_93 said: You're completely missing the point. Telling everyone to get on with it is being complicit with the absolute ****show that is the UK - people need to speak up. Our minimum wage is absolute garbage and doesn't match the current cost of living. Not to mention many people (Royal Mail, rail workers) are currently on strike for poor pay and god knows it won't be long before some of our most important professionals (teachers & nurses) go on strike for the daylight robbery they experience for the hard work they do. Tax is at an all-time high and the UK is on a one-way ticket to a major economic recession, with the £ currently being at its lowest in 37 years. Elderly people on low retirement pay and struggling families with low income are going to have to make a choice between buying food or putting their heating on this winter, and your solution is "go to work"? Also, you're being obtuse mentioning the 'historically hot summer'. You know damn well people aren't talking about putting their heating on in July/August, because the 2-3 months of good weather we have in the UK doesn't compare to the long winters and short days we have from October - March. You act as though minimum wage/the lowest paid workers ever got a liveable wage. When Elizabeth was crowned there wasn't even a minimum wage. It was only introduced in 1999. The NHS was formed in 1948, only 4 years before her crowning. Should every full time worker be able to live comfortably, yes? But never has there been a point in history where it's been as accessible for everyone regardless of background to attain a reasonable quality of life. Tax is at an all-time high because the gov. paid furlow during the pandemic for millions to stay at home whilst key workers had to soldier on and economic growth stagnated. The money has to be recouped from somewhere, plus the country was already in debt pre-Pandemic. Also, rail workers aren't poorly paid. Train drivers earn far above (almost double) the average income. https://www.cashfloat.co.uk/blog/personal-finance/train-driver-salary/ Quote The train driver salary in 2022 is around £59,864/yr https://standout-cv.com/pages/average-uk-salary#:~:text=The mean average salary for,the UK is £38%2C131 Quote The mean average salary for those working full-time is £31,447. The mean average salary for all employees in the UK is £31,447. The median average salary for those working full-time is £31,285. The median average salary for all employees in the UK is £38,131. Edited September 19, 2022 by LesFleur
BlackStar_93 Posted September 19, 2022 Posted September 19, 2022 3 hours ago, LesFleur said: You act as though minimum wage/the lowest paid workers ever got a liveable wage. When Elizabeth was crowned there wasn't even a minimum wage. It was only introduced in 1999. The NHS was formed in 1948, only 4 years before her crowning. Should every full time worker be able to live comfortably, yes? But never has there been a point in history where it's been as accessible for everyone regardless of background to attain a reasonable quality of life. Tax is at an all-time high because the gov. paid furlow during the pandemic for millions to stay at home whilst key workers had to soldier on and economic growth stagnated. The money has to be recouped from somewhere, plus the country was already in debt pre-Pandemic. Also, rail workers aren't poorly paid. Train drivers earn far above (almost double) the average income. https://www.cashfloat.co.uk/blog/personal-finance/train-driver-salary/ https://standout-cv.com/pages/average-uk-salary#:~:text=The mean average salary for,the UK is £38%2C131 I didn't specify train drivers, who I know are well-paid. I said rail workers (maintenance, operations, etc.) - are striking due to insufficient pay rises in accordance with the cost of living crisis, as well as mass redundancies. I never said lower-income jobs ever got a liveable wage, my argument was that in the UK in 2022 it's shocking that people who work full-time and pay tax are still having to make substantial sacrifices and choose between basic amenities. Not to mention UK full-time working hours are a lot longer than a lot of other European countries, so not only is minimum wage absolute garbage, but people are sacrificing their work/life balance in order to make ends meet. People say "get an education" so you can go into a profession rather than minimum-wage sectors (retail, hospitality, etc.), but this has become less obtainable due to extortionate tuition fees and the ridiculous interest on student loans (all thanks to the Tories). My original point still stands: the UK is in absolute shambles and people have a right to feel dismayed and voice their criticisms.
LesFleur Posted September 20, 2022 Posted September 20, 2022 10 hours ago, BlackStar_93 said: I didn't specify train drivers, who I know are well-paid. I said rail workers (maintenance, operations, etc.) - are striking due to insufficient pay rises in accordance with the cost of living crisis, as well as mass redundancies. I never said lower-income jobs ever got a liveable wage, my argument was that in the UK in 2022 it's shocking that people who work full-time and pay tax are still having to make substantial sacrifices and choose between basic amenities. Not to mention UK full-time working hours are a lot longer than a lot of other European countries, so not only is minimum wage absolute garbage, but people are sacrificing their work/life balance in order to make ends meet. People say "get an education" so you can go into a profession rather than minimum-wage sectors (retail, hospitality, etc.), but this has become less obtainable due to extortionate tuition fees and the ridiculous interest on student loans (all thanks to the Tories). My original point still stands: the UK is in absolute shambles and people have a right to feel dismayed and voice their criticisms. Said rail workers are still better paid than retail, hospitality, care workers...many of whom rely on rail services which have been disrupted throughout the year due to ongoing strikes. Everyone has the right to strike, but there are other key workers who also deserve pay rises and better job security. Could you imagine the greater impact if strikes were to follow in logistics, healthcare, retail and hospitality? Things might seem bad now, but if tensions rise, they could easily get a lot worse. People have a right to voice their disdain, but heckling a man whose just lost his mother and become King in his 70s is cruel. He isn't responsible for the decade of austerity that was pre-pandemic. That's the doing of the government the nation voted for. The royal family didn't trigger the referendum which resulted in Brexit...and though it hasn't been as disastrous as some predicted, the pound has never recovered to pre-referendum heights, naturally making imports more expensive. We live in a democracy, the people have influence in the people that govern their local councils, represent them in parliament and ultimately who is prime minister. The royal family don't create/change policies nowadays, nor did they create Covid, or the furlow scheme, or contemporary austerity. We are now paying the costs of all of these. Also, student loans are means tested...those from lower income households can borrow much more, regardless of how much those households actually contribute to the student's living costs and crucially, repayments only start once income reaches a threshold, unlike the US system. Furthermore, college education is still free, those who don't want to go to university can study specialised trades in colleges and earn more than graduates. People are trying to follow old moulds and wondering why they aren't getting the same results their parents and grandparents got in completely different eras. Just look at how much the world has evolved since Elizabeth II was crowned. Those who can evolve, pivot and adapt will succeed...those who expect the government or royals to save them will be left behind. It's not fair, or pleasant but it's the harsh truth.
XOANTY Posted September 20, 2022 Posted September 20, 2022 I don't know -why- he would've wanted to take this crown. Surely he has to know how unpopular both him and his conswhoret are with the British public still to this day (and those boos have definitely confirmed it for him). His actions since becoming King have been horrid already. Outbursts, frustration, disrespectful and everything we already knew he was.
AlanRickman1946 Posted September 21, 2022 Author Posted September 21, 2022 17 hours ago, XOANTY said: I don't know -why- he would've wanted to take this crown. Surely he has to know how unpopular both him and his conswhoret are with the British public still to this day (and those boos have definitely confirmed it for him). His actions since becoming King have been horrid already. Outbursts, frustration, disrespectful and everything we already knew he was. he probably knows he is unpopular since the Diana thing, he probably will pass it to William and Kate soon.
Raiden Posted September 21, 2022 Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Boo them to smithereens. I mean these cretins mistreat even their own (Harry). So they more than deserve every hostile reception they get anywhere anytime — there's never a bad time to vilify them. Funerals, weddings and whatever else is all perfectly suitable. Edited September 21, 2022 by Raiden
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