BnPac Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: We can have a discussion about the Queen benefiting from white privilege and the effects of colonialism but she is not comparable to Hitler who himself ordered the slaughter of Jewish people like I didn't compare them, my question was why do people bring him up in defense to every other evil? And you don't know and can't know for sure what she ordered or the extend of her doing. I wonder if some of you really know what colonialism and imperialism entail to downgrade it like that. It was hell, it's just not in your books because your countries and most European countries were the oppressors. Do you think colonized countries just gave their countries like that, without fighting, do you think they dominate those countries without genocides and that they kept them as colonies so long without lining up bodies? There is also a great difference, Hitler was very open about his distaste and did everything in the open, that was not the case of the rest. Edited September 9, 2022 by BnPac
its_britney_bitch Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 Just now, Summerboy95 said: You're doing it tho. You wasted your time writing that for someone you don't even really know. That's a whole different scenario with Elizabeth and the crown. We -informed and educated people- know how the crown's actions impacted, impact and will impact on the most vulnerable. Go live in your fantasy world, let us live reality. Why do y’all feel the need to jump on everybody who’s not celebrating her death in this thread? It’s so weird
Summerboy95 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 The romanticization of elitism, classism, racism and nazism from some individuals in here
Summerboy95 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 Just now, its_britney_bitch said: Why do y’all feel the need to jump on everybody who’s not celebrating her death in this thread? It’s so weird Go read what that user wrote. Then ask yourself if that's really the situation or if it's just your biased opinion.
ShouldersSideways Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: Because Hitler is an easy name to refer to? With slavery and the Native American genocide there’s no 1 name you can easily point to but multiple slave owners/monsters whereas with the holocaust Hitler is the first name that everyone thinks of. We can have a discussion about the Queen benefiting from white privilege and the effects of colonialism but she is not comparable to Hitler who himself ordered the slaughter of Jewish people like Not to mention Christopher Columbus is routinely and correctly maligned as someone who cracked down on Natives and enabled genocide. This entire Hitler discussion is... a lot. If Hitler had any descendants, it would be fairer to compare the Queen to them, and even then she would be further removed from any direct involvement in the atrocities of her ancestors than they would be. 11 minutes ago, Mitsouko said: Well she used her global influence to champion worthy causes and condemn corrupt regimes, like apartheid South Africa. Harmless... in the last half century what did she do as Queen to negatively impact anyone's day to day life? I'm legit asking because I've only ever known her as a symbolic, anachronistic relic who held no real administrative power, only cultural cache and influence. Not sure what she could do to get people so pressed besides breathing and being rich for a dumb reason. And you're correct. It seems like a lot of people can't reconcile you can acknowledge she was the beneficiary of an ancient and archaic regime without denouncing her as a genocidal monster. Because factually, she was not. Edited September 9, 2022 by ShouldersSideways
its_britney_bitch Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Summerboy95 said: Go read what that user wrote. Then ask yourself if that's really the situation or if it's just your biased opinion. I’m biased, and you’re not? We’re all entitled to an opinion but wow the hypocrisy
ShouldersSideways Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Summerboy95 said: The romanticization of elitism, classism, racism and nazism from some individuals in here She's antithetical to modern ideals and democracy and should never have been a monarch, but a Nazi she was not. Her uncle and his wife, on the other hand, were disgusting Nazi sympathizers at best and full-blown Nazis at worst. Edited September 9, 2022 by ShouldersSideways
Summerboy95 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, its_britney_bitch said: I’m biased, and you’re not? We’re all entitled to an opinion but wow the hypocrisy Considering I did not attack anyone but Elizabeth and he personally attacked me, yeah... you're being biased not understanding that difference.
slw84 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Vin said: This thread is weird. While the rest of the world is saying "RIP," ATRL is comparing Queen Elizabeth to Adolf Hitler. This thread gives off QAnon vibes and is exactly why I tend to stay out of the ATRL's Civics section. ...Vin
CaptainMusic Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, BnPac said: I didn't compare them, my question was why do people bring him up in defense to every other evil? And you don't know and can't know for sure what she ordered or the extend of her doing. I wonder if some of you really know what colonialism and imperialism entail to downgrade it like that. It was hell, it's just not in your books because your countries and most European countries were the oppressors. Do you think colonized countries just gave their countries like that, without fighting, do you think they dominate those countries without genocides and that they krpt them as colonies so long without lining up bodies? There is also a great difference, Hitler was very open about his distaste and did everything in the open, that was not the case of the rest. I said why people bring up when referring to evil, because he’s an easy name to point to. And I’m aware of what colonialism is, Im black and grew up in Barbados and I learnt about it in school so stop making assumptions just because I think it’s extra for members to compare the Queen to Hitler Many of our countries were colonized well before she even became The Queen and while many brutalities were inflicted in colonized countries during her reign, there is no evidence that she directly ordered attacks/slaughters like Hitler did, that’s all I’m saying. Here in the UK The Queen didn’t even have that much power and was mainly a figurehead for decades so it’s highly unlikely that she was as involved as you guys think she was. But as I said yes she benefited greatly from it and there’s a discussion to be had there, all we can do is speculate at her involvement and people can feel how they want about her passing. Edited September 9, 2022 by CaptainMusic
BnPac Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 And I also don't understand why some of you keep talking about old regime and that she just has herited that or just benefited white privilege... Do you hear yourselves? Imperialism is still going. It is a current issue that most African countries face and old colonies still face until this day. It's the "new modern" colonialism. It's just frankly disappointing how even black people from the other side are so disinterested in that issue but all other black people rally on all the struggles they face. And the end of colonism is not that old, at least not as old as her or her reign. Just in one country,Kenya, in a little over 2 years, when Kenyans were fighting for their freedom, they killed 100k of them, put 320k (that we know of) in camps (does that ring a bell!!), tortured them and shot them. That's in one country, towards the end. But yeah, poor woman being the poor victim of inheriting a gruesome regime. But anyway I digress. My condolences to whoever is affected by her death.
publikcitizen Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 It kinda sucks The King has Liz Truss as his first PM. Queen Elizabeth was lucky to have Winston Churchill as her first PM.
BnPac Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: I said why people bring up when referring to evil, because he’s an easy name to point to. And I’m aware of what colonialism is, Im black and grew up in Barbados and I learnt about it in school so stop making assumptions just because I think it’s extra for members to compare the Queen to Hitler Many of our countries were colonized well before she even became The Queen and while many brutalities were inflicted in colonized countries during her reign, there is no evidence that she directly ordered attacks/slaughters like Hitler did, that’s all I’m saying. Here in the UK The Queen didn’t even have that much power and was mainly a figurehead for decades so it’s highly unlikely that she was as involved as you guys think she was. But as I said yes she benefited greatly from it and there’s a discussion to be had there, all we can do is speculate at her involvement and people can feel how they want about her passing. My post was literally asking why people make Hitler the greatest of all evils, moreso the actions done during that time the greatest of evils. It's not. Trying to act like gazing people is the worst of all evils but not reserving the same judgement to countries that were built on the corpses of whole nations is twisted and propaganda. Just because they were hidding their hands, doing parades and passing feasting on oil, food and riches that directly came from people's blood as their royal rights. And sorry someone saying that The Queen of the Britain Empire was not involved in colonialism and is just profiting from white privilege and is removed from that horror lacks perspective, hence my assumption. She was not a puppet. It doesn't matter when colonialism started, what matters is that it was still going on during her reign and it is still going on nowadays in a new form, under a new name :"imperialism". Edited September 9, 2022 by BnPac
CaptainMusic Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Apocalipstick said: I just can’t and never will be able to take a man who said he wants to be a tampon seriously as “King”. And with Liz Truss as PM, it’s an embarrassing era for this country
Daydream Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, publikcitizen said: It kinda sucks The King has Liz Truss as his first PM. Queen Elizabeth was lucky to have Winston Churchill as her first PM. I feel like Boris would have done a better job than Liz in this position. As much of a shambles as he is - he’s got years of experience on her and has probably been prepared for this moment for a while. Liz has had it all thrust on her at once.
Apocalipstick Posted September 9, 2022 Author Posted September 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Daydream said: I feel like Boris would have done a better job than Liz in this position. As much of a shambles as he is - he’s got years of experience on her and has probably been prepared for this moment for a while. Liz has had it all thrust on her at once. His written statement and statement in the House of Commons sort of confirmed this tbh
PlERRE Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 No wonder you all fight so passionately over pop girls and very small details of their careers, you all take everything to the extreme and are very obnoxious when someone doesn't agree with your personal opinions.
Zack Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Daydream said: I feel like Boris would have done a better job than Liz in this position. As much of a shambles as he is - he’s got years of experience on her and has probably been prepared for this moment for a while. Liz has had it all thrust on her at once. Hell no. Boris literally advised The Queen to suspend Parliament illegally. Charles is lucky Boris got kicked before he became King. I don't think Liz Truss is any better though. They are as bad as each other.
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