event Queen Elizabeth II laid to rest: 1926-2022

[Communion]

1 minute ago, anti-***** said:

And @Communion the British Museum holds most of the artifacts so it's on them to return them. And the government decides the Royal Family's budget, I believe, so idk Elizabeth would have been able to donate money like that anyway.

 

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

If Queen Elizabeth II oversaw the end of colonization in her time, did she then call for the return of all stolen artifacts and treasures alongside rightful reparations to countries she once oversaw, even as a gesture of support?

 

Imagine how powerful it would have been for the totally symbolic face of the British empire to do so.

So she's never once called for the national museum to return stolen artifacts or voiced support and utilized her platform to pressure her country's government to address campaigns by other nations for reparations?

 

If none of this was ever done, I'm genuinely confused about the knee-jerk lashing out towards those criticizing her.

 

Surely it's not hard to imagine why people harmed by the country she represented do not like her, especially when knowing she both never voiced support to end such injustice despite having unmatched cultural and social capital and enjoyed passively benefiting from such grand inequality, no?

[Cottonmouth]

Not this Woman's funeral most likely being on my Birthday. 

 

The fact we might not get a day off work since it falls on a Sunday too. It's not like she even tried to breathe a bit longer. 

 

Her death has been underwhelming so far. Not the cute event I thought it would be. 

[FightForTanas]

13 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

[Cloröx]

"She's not responsible for her ancestors wrong doing"

 

Yet she and her family still benefitting from it for hundred of years, which you can't deny it. Stfu and just mourning in silence, you don't need to educate us who have suffered from colonialism and become fake moral police, it's tone deaf!

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, Codex said:

At this point their fortune is made from tourism

It doesn't matter where their money currently comes from. 

 

The issue is still largely the outstanding debts and injustices the British empire hasn't answered for materially.

If people are upset at the idea that there's countless resentment towards the queen for being a symbol of a particular nation, then surely the first thing to do is to reconcile the injustices fueling those resentments via reparations?

 

Surely it's easy to understand why people find statements like "she oversaw decolonization" as silly if she herself never supported any of these kinds of efforts and movements of decolonization, no?

[Blade Runner]

People talking about reparations from the "British Empire". Well, baby, time to wake up. 

 

The Monarchy is merely a cultural asset right now. Nothing more than that. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Blade Runner

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

11 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

"She's not responsible for her ancestors wrong doing"

 

Yet she and her family still benefitting from it for hundred of years, which you can't deny it. Stfu and just mourning in silence, you don't need to educate us who have suffered from colonialism and become fake moral police, it's tone deaf!

Oop 

[mylicious]

This thread is disgusting. 

[Sugar-Rush]

It's so stupid for people to blame her for various British atrocities when she was simply a figurehead and wouldn't have had any power to stop those atrocities even if she wanted to. And spare me the "but she benefitted from it!!!" bullshit btw; the same could be said about most British/White people yet y'all still come for some dead old lady.

[Cloröx]

3 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

It's so stupid for people to blame her for various British atrocities when she was simply a figurehead and wouldn't have had any power to stop those atrocities even if she wanted to. And spare me the "but she benefitted from it!!!" bullshit btw; the same could be said about most British/White people yet y'all still come for some dead old lady.

I don't care, our suffering is legit and valid (stop calling it bullshit) and we have right to channel our anger/disappoinment.  

 

Inb4 someone pull another ShakiShaki and say that those countries deserved to be colonised. 

 

 

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Cottonmouth said:

Her death has been underwhelming so far. Not the cute event I thought it would be. 

[Taste of Honey]

I literally toured Buckingham Palace yesterday morning, so she passed probably while I was there or just after I left. Crazy.

[Triton]

I will praise her longevity, commitment and dedication to her country as well as her role in helping feminism move forward by being a prime example. She was an extraordinary woman who took her job seriously, imagine the stories she could tell. 
 

Now what she stood for and the pain and damage her institution caused years ago… different story. 
 

Elizabeth Windsor as a woman and monarch… my deepest respects. A proper queen. Elizabeth I and Victoria would be proud. 

[Skinny]

21 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

It's so stupid for people to blame her for various British atrocities when she was simply a figurehead and wouldn't have had any power to stop those atrocities even if she wanted to. And spare me the "but she benefitted from it!!!" bullshit btw; the same could be said about most British/White people yet y'all still come for some dead old lady.

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Skinny

[OreGuy]

9 minutes ago, Taste of Honey said:

I literally toured Buckingham Palace yesterday morning, so she passed probably while I was there or just after I left. Crazy.

let me call the FBI, bc... 

[Taste of Honey]

2 minutes ago, OreGuy said:

let me call the FBI, bc... 

I didn’t do it.

[Jay07]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

You mean like the people in the current colonies demanding reparations?

What moral argument is there against the case Jamaica puts forward against Britain?

 

 

Are you suggesting people in places like Jamaica *don't* want people supporting their demand?

I'm suggesting your "activism" consists of online bullying and straw man arguments, like suggesting you posting a tweet about the people of Jamaica is doing anything to support their cause, hence the toothless comment. Proceed with the tens of thousands of essay posts like it actually means anything.

[Snoopy]

RIP

[greeneyedsoul]

Can the banner be removed? It's disrespectful to the victims of colonialism and imperialism. 

[JoshSpears1805]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

You mean like the people in the current colonies demanding reparations?

What moral argument is there against the case Jamaica puts forward against Britain?

 

 

Are you suggesting people in places like Jamaica *don't* want people supporting their demand?

no , reparations are stupid , silly and a distraction , why should British tax payers pay for something we didnt do , maybe we should ask for reparations from Italy for being invaded by the Romans 

[JoshSpears1805]

7 hours ago, Nicholai said:

What? England implanted their people in the islands to claim the sovereignty over the land. That is Colonialism 101 baby. There are no natives or even argentinians living there so obviously they choose to be part of the UK duh.

 

In Argentina we are celebrating the death of this colonialist piece of sh*t. 

yet again try and use some critical thinking, there is no such thing as 'natives' if you are born there you are from that place, its essentials thinking to say if you cant trace your family all the way back to a place you re not 'native' , the whole world originates from Africa, o one is 'native' in that sense. 

 

So if someone who has lived on the Falkland Islands for 400 years isn't native, Am I not native to the uk because my mothers family came from Nigeria 100 years ago?

 

Your position is racist. end of. It the same argument the BNP used to say that you cannot be black and British. 

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

 

So she's never once called for the national museum to return stolen artifacts or voiced support and utilized her platform to pressure her country's government to address campaigns by other nations for reparations?

 

If none of this was ever done, I'm genuinely confused about the knee-jerk lashing out towards those criticizing her.

 

Surely it's not hard to imagine why people harmed by the country she represented do not like her, especially when knowing she both never voiced support to end such injustice despite having unmatched cultural and social capital and enjoyed passively benefiting from such grand inequality, no?

ATRLers will say that North Koreans are brainwashed and then turned around and mourn the death of a monarch that's not even theirs + was racist and covered up for a pedo abuser 

 

worms, honey

[Before Today]

I expected this thread to be a mess and it gave exactly that.

[Cloröx]

Can someone tell why the hell Britney fans here defending the colonisers? 

[Cloröx]