saucy Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 ThE QuEeN dIdnT cOLonIiSe AnyOnE. But these vultures will keep passing their stolen wealth to each other, instead of returning it. and some of you really have the audacity to clutch your pearls cause some of aren't sad over her death.
ToMmY Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 10:22 PM, Nicholai said: He read that hag to filth The amount of likes Expand OMG
Both Sides Now Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 11:59 PM, Bey Admired said: The **** are some of you even talking about? The queen didn’t colonise anything The queen hasn’t had any actual power her entire life. There is a separation of church and state that has been in place since she was crowned. The queen is the head of the church, and the government is in charge of the state. The queen didn’t wage wars, build empires, destroy countries, nor nation build. She was literally forced to be queen (and let’s be clear, she really had no choice as it was instilled in her from birth that her duty was to the crown) and led with nothing but grace and progressiveness for her time. If anything, she tried to build peace across the world through her work with the commonwealth. If we are all responsible for the actions of our ancestors and our country, then we’re ALL going to hell. Expand This isn’t true. The Monarch is the head of the church and the state. The Queen is the one who officially appoints the PM and the government ministers, dissolves the parliament and signs bills into law. Up until 10 years ago, the queen could actually dissolve the Govt whenever she felt like it. There are constitutional boundaries to their power, but they are still head of the state. There’s such a weird phenomenon with royalists where they treat the royals as if they are innocent children.
G.U.Y_Del_Rey Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 Rest in peace Midnights' lead single MV needs to be Queen themed and released soon for extra exposure
Harrier Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 12:15 AM, Both Sides Now said: This isn’t true. The Monarch is the head of the church and the state. The Queen is the one who officially appoints the PM and the government ministers, dissolves the parliament and signs bills into law. Up until 10 years ago, the queen could actually dissolve the Govt whenever she felt like it. There are constitutional boundaries to their power, but they are still head of the state. There’s such a weird phenomenon with royalists where they treat the royals as if they are innocent children. Expand The queen has been a powerless figurehead all her life. The duties you lay out are all ceremonial, not involving any actual power. It's an institution that is an immense waste of taxpayer money & should be abolished, yes. But it just seems absurd to me to hold her responsible for every negative thing the UK did during her 70 year reign. She had absolutely no control or say over any aspect of any of it I suppose I can respect that as a symbol of British empire, some will have some deserved antipathy towards her. I understand that. But twitter and half of this website are pretending as if she was some Hitler-esque figure, personally responsible for colonialism, genocide, the Falklands War etc. And that is ridiculous to me
Both Sides Now Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 12:07 AM, discotitzz said: The cringe worthy centrists and neoliberals in here wanting people to play nice about the figurehead of the most murderous, cruel imperial force in history wahh wahh spare me your respectability politics because you’ve got rocks for brains and think of this dead woman as your spiritual grandmother. Expand Yeah. As I said above, there’s such a weird phenomenon with royalists where they treat the royals like innocent children. Whenever they do anything wrong it’s like they’ve been caught with their hand in the cookie jar: “tsk tsk, another pedophile? Naughty royals!” I think it’s linked to British exceptionalism. I think that WWII has given many British people a sense that they are “the good guys” in history and the royals are linked with that. Never mind that the royals were one American divorcé away from being Nazis! I think that it’s a cognitive dissonance for royalists when you tell them that a lot of people hate the royals and see them as evil same with Winston Churchill.
publikcitizen Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 I am watching a very good documentary about Queen Elizabeth on Hbo Max. It's called Queen of the World.
Jotham Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 Do some of y'all just get your politics and history knowledge from memes on Twitter? Because some of y'all are overestimating how powerful the monarchy is.
Both Sides Now Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 12:29 AM, Harrier said: The queen has been a powerless figurehead all her life. The duties you lay out are all ceremonial, not involving any actual power. It's an institution that is an immense waste of taxpayer money & should be abolished, yes. But it just seems absurd to me to hold her responsible for every negative thing the UK did during her 70 year reign. She had absolutely no control or say over any aspect of any of it I suppose I can respect that as a symbol of British empire, some will have some deserved antipathy towards her. I understand that. But twitter and half of this website are pretending as if she was some Hitler-esque figure, personally responsible for colonialism, genocide, the Falklands War etc. And that is ridiculous to me Expand Huh? I think you’re having an argument with the wrong person here That user said she wasn’t head of state and I corrected them. I didn’t say anything about whether she used those powers - but those powers were still there for most of her reign. If you are in possession of a loaded gun but never use it, you are still in possession of a loaded gun to say she was powerless is false. Again, I’ve never said that she is personally responsible for the British Empire. But she was the head for 70 years, upheld it, glorified it. It’s amusing to see people run around in circles to try to absolve her of any responsibility of British imperialism when you have admitted yourself that she is the symbol of it. As a person who grew up in a former colony of the British empire, these are my impressions of the monarchy. It’s understandable if you had a different one
pxxxtrick Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 This is all anyone was talking about at work today.
Bimbo Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 The known transphobic user talking about karma dkdjdjdjd
Harrier Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 12:39 AM, Both Sides Now said: Huh? I think you’re having an argument with the wrong person here That user said she wasn’t head of state and I corrected them. I didn’t say anything about whether she used those powers - but those powers were still there for most of her reign. If you are in possession of a loaded gun but never use it, you are still in possession of a loaded gun to say she was powerless is false. Again, I’ve never said that she is personally responsible for the British Empire. But she was the head for 70 years, upheld it, glorified it. It’s amusing to see people run around in circles to try to absolve her of any responsibility of British imperialism when you have admitted yourself that she is the symbol of it. As a person who grew up in a former colony of the British empire, these are my impressions of the monarchy. It’s understandable if you had a different one Expand Yeah I gotcha, it wasn't necessarily directed at you even though I quoted you. I'm no fan of the monarchy either and I'll be doing some activism in my country's push to become a Republic. I have no wish for King Charles to be our head of state, I think it's time for Australia to move on I have just felt that the reaction today has been kind of disproportionate and it's unpleasant to see thousands of people joyfully celebrating the death of an old lady when they don't really understand the history or her role. It's just kind of a ghoulish twitter bandwagon
Itz_Dani! Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 11:50 PM, MardinBeksloy said: Why can’t careless about your history when ours were filled by hundreds of years of suffering and pain cuz of your country’s greed to colonize the world henny. we still suffering from the result of your Queen’s involvement in colonization and oppression to independence movement so don’t be surprised we’re not sad that’s she dead. Expand Ok but that’s in the past how about just moving on and letting it go?
Abracadabra Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 It's kinda crazy when you think about the fact that we will never see a person as iconic as her again in history
Both Sides Now Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 12:46 AM, Harrier said: Yeah I gotcha, it wasn't necessarily directed at you even though I quoted you. I'm no fan of the monarchy either and I'll be doing some activism in my country's push to become a Republic. I have no wish for King Charles to be our head of state, I think it's time for Australia to move on I have just felt that the reaction today has been kind of disproportionate and it's unpleasant to see thousands of people joyfully celebrating the death of an old lady when they don't really understand the history or her role. It's just kind of a ghoulish twitter bandwagon Expand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_in_the_United_Kingdom Actually I’m wrong the powers that were taken away in 2011 were reinstated this year. So yeah, the monarch can actually dissolve parliament when they want But I understand, I’m not gleeful over her death either. It’s just my country’s history with the British Empire is less pleasant than Australia’s so it’s still more antipathy on my side, as you said Here’s to an Australian Republican!
400Iux Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/9/2022 at 12:49 AM, Itz_Dani! said: Ok but that’s in the past how about just moving on and letting it go? Expand im bad with reading tone so plz dont tell me this is a serious reply
Summerboy95 Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 On 9/8/2022 at 10:22 PM, Nicholai said: He read that hag to filth The amount of likes Expand I love my country so much
ClashAndBurn Posted September 9, 2022 Posted September 9, 2022 Not people moralizing over people's reactions to the death of someone born into immense wealth and privilege who was a symbol of oppression to much of the non-Western world. Tone policing and civility politics truly is the worst. Time to move on from the monarchy and bring back the spirit of the French Revolution, tbh!
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