discussion Chile: Voters Decisively Reject Leftist Constitution

[ProudLBS]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sis, we're not taking about Chileans. We're talking about you suddenly supporting a populace not viewing abortion and gender equality as important as long as they support the idea of free trade and wide open lithium markets. Surely that's a bit hypocritical, no?

Chileans rejected the constitution as a whole, not necessarily abortion and gender equality.

 

Clearly they prefer a healthy economy over several Trojan horses for Socialism.

[Communion]

19 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

Chileans rejected the constitution as a whole

And a part of why seems to have come from religious arguments and far-right propaganda against abortion, including political disinformation that the constitution would "make it legal for abortion up until birth" despite abortions at the stage of birth being logistically impossible. 

 

 

What material difference is there between Chilean versus American right-wingers and Catholics arguing that allowing a woman to have the right to an abortion amounts to something as ridiculous in concept as """infanticide"""?

Edited September 5, 2022 by Communion

[Communion]

32 minutes ago, Madonno said:

The saddest thing are cities without water supply voting against a Constitution that guaranteed them the access to water before the Industries

It sounds like the kind of tools of misinformation and lies permeating America also exist in Chile. 

Hopefully these wave of reactionary-ism are something y'all are able to overcome. 

[Scars]

Some people here rushing to push their red scare talking-points in a thread about Chile, a country which it's current constituion dates back to a far-right military dictatorship backed by the US. 

 

It's a shame because the same red scare tactic was a massive source of misinformation during the entire conversation about the new constitution in Chile. Everybody and their mamas were getting suspicious false information through their Whatsapp chat groups - which isn't a new phenomenon in South America politics at all.

[Rodrighost]

we are stupid, we love our water being private, therefore having OWNERS.

[FightForTanas]

14 hours ago, Nano said:

"These" countries? People in advanced nations do it all the time. Switzerland voters straight up rejected a law that would reduce their working hours. Doesn't get much more capitalism-worshiping than that.

Oh true, i wasnt trying to be offensive at all. Sorry about that. Really its just people in general always voting against their own interests.

[FightForTanas]

8 hours ago, ProudLBS said:

Chileans rejected the constitution as a whole, not necessarily abortion and gender equality.

 

Clearly they prefer a healthy economy over several Trojan horses for Socialism.

The proposal would have enshrined certain civil rights that have never before been included in a constitution, emphasizing many of the priorities of the leftist social movements led by younger Chileans: gender equality, environmental protections, Indigenous and LGBTQ rights, and legal access to abortion.

It would have guaranteed access to high-quality education, health care and water. It would have granted rights to nature and animals and required the government to address the effects of climate change. It was thought to be the first constitution that would have required gender parity across government and public and public-private companies. They rejected all of this because of SoCiALizM!!? 

[Mr.Link]

And this is why Chile remains the only respectable country in South America  

 

The left tried to ship it and the GP shipped it back. Petro, AMLO, Fernandez and other ignorant trash leftists are fuming. 

[Katy V.!]

The fanfictions in here

Chile is truly ahead of the rest of the latin america, rejecting fascism and communism within a year

[Gov Hooka]

On 9/5/2022 at 6:09 AM, Dephira said:

No, not surprising at all 

 

On 9/5/2022 at 8:39 AM, ProudLBS said:

All sorts of careless spending. Chileans made their choice and it wasn’t even close.

It’s the right winger users here capping for USA-backed imperialist meddling in Latin American countries for decades. Y’all are deeply unserious and should just come out in the open that you support the Empire. 

[Joyride]

this is why we need to abolish Facebook

[rihannabiggestfan]

LOL at the right-wingers like that Gaga stan rejoicing in here, yikes but wbk

 

On 9/4/2022 at 10:30 PM, Contessa said:

Wasn’t it said that the far right mobilized and fed voters misinformation ahead of the vote? 

 

On 9/5/2022 at 5:50 AM, Joyride said:

in a list of lies, feed BY the media:

 

- people were not gonna be the owners of their properties

- all immigrants would get immediate health benefits, houses, etc. as soon as they landed in the country

- the law systems would be divided, making native people to use their rules to judge civilians

- expropriation would be unfair as you would only be paid bits and pieces and not be able to negotiate 

- inheritable pensions; your pension would be shared with others

- we have a private health system, which people made SURE it was know it was gonna "disappear" instead of merged with the public health system, making the people who actually have private health to clutch their pearls, making them feel like second class citizens and rejecting the idea to be placed in anything public because here in Chile public equals poverty

 

these were a few lies used by the far right to reject the new constitution, which, by the way, was always open to modifications, even after being chosen.

 

TV shows and every other kind of media made sure these lies were spread like a ******* virus. everyone suddenly had READ the entire constitution (old and new), making everyone a misinformed commentator.

 

as a side note; people in this country have this almost... high horse feeling, meaning that they think of themselves very highly, it's a mindset that even people from the poorest places of the country share.

 

as a general comment and someone who voted for the new text to be implemented, we need to get rid of Facebook and elect better people to write the new one, which should already be in the works.

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[Madonno]

11 hours ago, Joyride said:

this is why we need to abolish Facebook

Absolutely
First Colombia, then UK, then USA and now Chile.
Facebook, Twitter and Tik Tok need to take cards into this mess, because they were, are and will be part of the problem called MISINFORMATION and FAKE NEWS.

[ProudLBS]

On 9/5/2022 at 11:20 PM, FightForTanas said:

The proposal would have enshrined certain civil rights that have never before been included in a constitution, emphasizing many of the priorities of the leftist social movements led by younger Chileans: gender equality, environmental protections, Indigenous and LGBTQ rights, and legal access to abortion.

It would have guaranteed access to high-quality education, health care and water. It would have granted rights to nature and animals and required the government to address the effects of climate change. It was thought to be the first constitution that would have required gender parity across government and public and public-private companies. They rejected all of this because of SoCiALizM!!? 

“Every citizen should be a millionaire” - let’s tack this onto every constitution

 

13 hours ago, Gov Hooka said:

It’s the right winger users here capping for USA-backed imperialist meddling in Latin American countries for decades. Y’all are deeply unserious and should just come out in the open that you support the Empire. 

Stop infantilizing Chileans just because you disagree with their choices. 

[FightForTanas]

5 hours ago, ProudLBS said:

“Every citizen should be a millionaire” - let’s tack this onto every constitution

 

wtf? Who said that?  How are you getting everyone should be a millionaire when one of the provisions is just access to clean drinking water?

[Gui Blackout]

Only on lefties delusional heads a radical overhaul of a country's constitution would be embraced by the people.

 

Always all-or-nothing mentally, always falling flat on their faces.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Gui Blackout

[ProudLBS]

8 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

Only on lefties delusional heads a radical overhaul of a country's constitutional would be embraced by the people.

 

Always all-or-nothing mentally, always falling flat on their faces.

And when the people reject their ideas they’re “uninformed” and “corrupted by Facebook” 

[Communion]

3 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

Only on lefties delusional heads a radical overhaul of a country's constitution would be embraced by the people.

 

Always all-or-nothing mentally, always falling flat on their faces.

 

3 hours ago, ProudLBS said:

And when the people reject their ideas they’re “uninformed” and “corrupted by Facebook” 

Sisters, I love you, but I'm not sure if I can take this trolling as anything than bad faith.

 

I mean, surely it's easy to connect the dots that users with long history of racist posts on this site, including "ironically" calling black celebrities things like apes, etc. years ago cause it was ~edgy~, dont genuinely have anti-racism and indigenous rights in their hearts of hearts. 

 

I just can't imagine being stuck in a corner in an argument cause you're at odds with what actual Chileans in Chile are saying and still deciding to post something as accusatory and inflammatory and baiting as claiming peopoe are infantilizing when knowing certain users just don't have the background to male the arguments that they have the knee-jerk reaction to want to make. 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Communion

[Karla Cabello]

ignorance and fear caused. rich people afraid to lose their their privileges used millions on fake news, propaganda and fear mongering, they control all of the massive media on the country so it's no surprise a lot of people don't even know what they voted for. sad all around. the new constitution guaranteed a lot of basic human rights such as access to potable water for everyone. 

[Karla Cabello]

3 hours ago, ProudLBS said:

And when the people reject their ideas they’re “uninformed” and “corrupted by Facebook” 

im from chile and the amount of fake news the right made up everyday was unbeliable, you couldnt watch a youtube video without getting an ad against the new constitution. it was awful and pure fear mongering. 

[ProudLBS]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

you're at odds with what actual Chileans in Chile are saying

62%

[Communion]

1 minute ago, ProudLBS said:

62%

62% who were influenced by disinformation, cultural issues, religion, and anti-indigenous racism, something numerous members from Chile are explaining while you Westplain from the Iberian Peninsula. What's not clicking, sis? 

 

Surely it's just easier to troll about music than to actively try to push 4chan-style white supremacy nonsense?

 

At least have the courage and decency to not make nonsense arguments and bait posts. You know you're being called out for trying to claim cultural issues had nothing to do with the results, not what the results are. You have people in here posting from Chile upset over the regression for human rights and you're trolling.

 

 

Find a better hobby already. Christ. 

[ProudLBS]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

62% who were influenced by disinformation

when less than 50% of the people elect a far-left president:

 

”great   Socialism is back on track to take over Latin America one country at a time”

 

when 62% of the population REJECTS a constitution full of far-left nonsense:

 

“pEoPLe wErE miSinFoRmED” 

[Communion]

30 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

when less than 50% 

Boric was elected with 55% of the vote and no one would cal him far-left.

It's also easy to understand how Boric's win was an *overcoming* of disinformation (it's harder to spread disinformation on one candidate) while the constitution referendum was a *loss* to disinformation. Again, members from Chile are telling you this. You're being linked to figures who are like "THE BABY KILLING CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN STOPPED!!".

 

Rights for women, the disabled, indigenous people, water and environmental protections are not "non-sense" and could only be described as such by someone so rotted by hatred that they see Chile as a proxy state only meant to exist for their country's own energy benefits and trade. 

 

You're literally celebrating a loss in the fight for gender-based rights fo the people of Chile for what? So the price of grapes and apple exports to Portugal don't go up too much? Why are you so committed to this act?

 

Here, I'll save you the time of writing another bait post:

 

Edited September 8, 2022 by Communion

[ProudLBS]

55 minutes ago, Communion said:

Boric was elected with 55%

I was talking about Evo Morales lol

 

55 minutes ago, Communion said:

Rights for women, the disabled, indigenous people, water and environmental protections are not "non-sense"

Girl for the last time Chileans rejected a 300 PAGE CONSTITUTION as a WHOLE, not those things individually 

 

Now they’ll draft a new one and the people once again will decide if they want the constitution to include those things or not.

 

It’s not that difficult to understand, is it?

 

1. Constitution draft #1

2. Chilean people: “no thanks”

 

~ some time ~

 

3. Constitution draft #2

4. Chilean people: TBD

 

Simple. The people have a say, it’s not like the USSR paradise system your grandpa fled from.

 

55 minutes ago, Communion said:

they see Chile as a proxy state only meant to exist for their country's own energy benefits and trade. 

No, unlike you I see Chile as an independent country full of people capable of making their own decisions.

 

Given all their achievements so far, I think it’s pretty clear they know what’s best for their country better than some tankie from New Jersey.

Edited September 8, 2022 by ProudLBS