discussion Dueling COVID strategies sees China now exceed US in life expectancy

[Jennifer]

Lmao sis nobody wants to live in China. Living 77 miserable years, how fun 

[MonsterJohn]

19 hours ago, Gorgeous said:

Seriously how much they pay you 

That white gay posting bullshit shilling for CCP all day for free from the comfort his new jersey basement,it's that pathetic

[Harrier]

8 hours ago, Communion said:

1 million American funerals and the biggest drop in life expectancy in decades would say otherwise. 

The way you just took this out and completely ignored every qualifier I put in 

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Harrier said:

ignored every qualifier

The point was to highlight that your qualifiers were untrue and insensitive.

 

Nearly 300k Americans under the age of 60 - a group who apparently had "nothing to worry about" - have died from COVID since the pandemic. The equivalent of such immeasurable death is a 9/11-sized catastrophe happening every 10 days, over and over, over the course of thirty months. And that's just when discussing the deaths within the group who are deemed as "not vulnerable".

 

There is literally no you can qualify 1M dead as "no big deal".

Edited September 5, 2022 by Communion

[Harrier]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

The point was to highlight that your qualifiers were untrue and insensitive.

 

Nearly 300k Americans under the age of 60 - a group who apparently had "nothing to worry about" - have died from COVID since the pandemic. The equivalent of such immeasurable death is a 9/11-sized catastrophe happening every 10 days, over and over, over the course of thirty months. There is literally no you can qualify 1M dead as "no big deal".

How many of those were vaccinated & died from the omicron variant, sister  In australia this year, we have a case fatality ratio of 0.1% among all ages. In reality its even lower because of the millions of unreported cases. You cannot shut down society for those numbers.

[Bosque]

Other countries like Denmark and UK which abandoned all Covid measures during Omicron, as well as Sweden (which barely had any covid measures from 2020) also increased their life expectancy, but go off I guess. Maybe the real conclusion is that welding apartment doors shut or otherwise locking people up against their will increases life expectancy, idk. 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Dephira

[Communion]

23 minutes ago, Harrier said:

were vaccinated

You do realize you're trying to downplay the loss of life in America (as though people somehow deserve to die if they're unvaccinated when knowing what fuels conspiracy theories to begin with) by highlighting the usage and prominence of mRNA vaccines in the US; mRNA vaccines that places like Mainland China don't have access to... right? 

 

Your entire argument to downplay the horrors of just how many Americans died (to somehow crudely wash away the threat of COVID) relies on access to medical technology that the countries you're trying to vilify do not have.

 

Genuinely can't understand what the end game is in the constant need to defend capital and excuse mass death. 

 

This is the unique point of view offered to the working class within the American empire.

 

One would expect allyship from the working class of other Western empires - because, of course, they should understand the horrors of living in a place where scarcity exists despite immense wealth - but the way other countries' wealth is made possible by the world order of US hegemony means those privileged within the imperial core will sooner defend the need for the US to be the sole global super power in the world before defending its poorest citizens. 

 

It's more important to apparently help the US empire continue its economic warfare against its trade enemies than to help the working-class of America untangle themselves from income disparity and *levels of poverty unseen anywhere else in the developed world* because god forbid US tax dollars stop going to international conflict and suddenly it costs more money to import plastic Chinese trinkets into your various countries without the US as your strongman.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Communion

[Jagger]

9 hours ago, MonsterJohn said:

That white gay posting bullshit shilling for CCP all day for free from the comfort his new jersey basement,it's that pathetic

 

[Archetype]

15 hours ago, Communion said:

You're literally downplaying the atrocities of US heallthcare by again trying to flatten the difference in resources between China and America. 

Excuse me legend but you must be posting from another dimension here, I am not downplaying any atrocities but I agree that are indeed atrocities 

 

15 hours ago, Communion said:

Is China's system bigger? No

Is China's system weather? No

Yet somehow the Chinese system is more efficient based on the data available. The results are undeniably shocking and dramatic. 

This is also true about the healthcare systems of countries ranking above both China and the US, so I think you're exposing the fact that one country does the least with their money for healthcare and another makes the most out of it. 

 

15 hours ago, Communion said:

That these horrific realities occur and chauvinists can only interpret it as an avenue not to extend support to Americans living under a deadly regime but find some way to make poor Americans dying into "well be happy you're dying in America and not alive in China" shows how many users want poor Americans to die.

I've said this to you before, but Americans are actually very dumb.  Not necessarily IQ-wise, but when it comes to common sense... there is none.  They vote for people who actively make their own lives and their neighbors lives worse, all on purpose to spite people who are less fortunate.  Gatekeeping others, ironically gatekeeping themselves, it's very close to a bad SNL sketch.  Blaming the government is necessary but I love blaming average everyday people too. 

[BobBertran1992]

10 hours ago, Dephira said:

Other countries like Denmark and UK which abandoned all Covid measures during Omicron, as well as Sweden (which barely had any covid measures from 2020) also increased their life expectancy, but go off I guess. Maybe the real conclusion is that welding apartment doors shut or otherwise locking people up against their will increases life expectancy, idk. 

Don't leave out the fact that the UK saw a major life expectancy drop in 2020 though... 

 

All of the arguments here have been discussed over and over on the main thread on COVID, but to me it always amounts to the same: the two countries' approach to present their own set of problems. I don't think the Chinese approach would work anywhere else, and it shouldn't, basically because other countries have been able to promote social distancing, softer lockdowns (compared to China's) and mask mandates when needed, and they've had access to vaccines, which most of the population has willingly taken. The US' strategy, though, is highly problematic as well: making healthcare a business rather than an essential public service is a major structural issue, specially during a pandemic that has killed millions. Major politicians and public figures disregarding masks, vaccines, or any other measure against COVID, or the CDC changing its guidelines to appease politicians and businesses, all are key reasons why there are more than a million death in the US, and why the conversation on Long Covid is not as mainstream as it should be: the profit machine can't stop. 

[Chemist]

I mean yeah the US had a horrible COVID response during the pre-vaccine years but its current Covid policy is a million times better than China's current absurd policy 

[Genius1111]

 

 

 

 

 

[Robert]

Honestly this is mostly a reflection of how horrible the US healthcare system and proof it shouldn’t be treated as a business because most countries have accepted living with Covid post-vaccination and haven’t seen these kind of drops in health outcomes. The life expectancy for black people is truly the most shocking thing though.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Robert

[Weld_E]

They would spend that extra year in strict lockdowns so it’s still pretty much the same.

[Relampago.]

I’m all for calling out the US’s numerous failures handling COVID, but implying that China’s handling of it versus the US was better because it resulted in a higher life expectancy seems… disingenuous or at least biased. 
 

Sure, the way China handled it by forcing their citizens into months-long lockdowns makes the numbers look better on paper, while the US forced lockdowns to end prematurely. But I would genuinely rather the US’s way of handling it than seeing what my Chinese friends endured in lockdown. The US needs to do better with medical care at large, but I don’t think China’s method is the example of how to do it either. 
 

EDIT: Usually I don’t read through ATRL political threads, but I’m glad most people feel the same way about this, at least in this instance.  

Edited September 6, 2022 by Relampago.

[Aaron]

On 9/4/2022 at 7:40 PM, Communion said:

Like ??? lnnjknkjn mawma, facts don't care about feelings. 

The girls in here twisting in anguish that they can't think of an explanation for how the US got here. 

I feel like you’re failing to understand that we don’t care  No one’s twisting in anguish and barely anyone cares about COVID whatsoever these days; you’re the only one angry that no one else wants to compete with you for Most Woke ATRLer

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Aaron said:

I feel like you’re failing to understand that we don’t care 

Based on a myriad of attempted reports and attempts to get banned any framing of the US as failing in comparison to China, that would be false sis. 

 

I'm simply an American pointing out basic facts that show how my.country is failing in comparison to my country's largest competing super power and making sure to highlight that Americans will not get any benefits until we force our country out of the global super power race. It's odd that such is apparently more offensive and worrying to non-Americans than fellow Americans. 

[Kamil24]

Their life expectancy is just slightly higher than a country that is mostly obese? Tragic

Edited September 6, 2022 by Kamil24

[Gov Hooka]

In the richest country in the world, life expectancy is below a nation four times its size. Yall are propagandized to hate China so much you'll ignore the dire reality facing the US and its population.

 

 

[AMIT]

people attacking the OP because they can't argue against the DATA presented 

[rihannabiggestfan]

On 9/6/2022 at 9:17 PM, AMIT said:

people attacking the OP because they can't argue against the DATA presented 

RIGHT  imagine outing yourself as being triggered by facts and statistics 

[applestar]

who knew that "let covid rip" wasn't a good strategy?? who could have forseen that??????????