discussion School lockdowns erased two decades of progress in Math and Reading in the US

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Dephira said:

So a world in which no one goes to work 

You: Progressives supporting lockdowns were ineffective cause lots of people still had to work.

 

Also you: A world where no one has to go to work? That's ******* ridiculous. 

 

You're a deeply unserious reactionary trying to co-opt and appropriate language you have no actual understanding of. You're so out of your depth that you're not even sure of the argument you're trying to make.

 

You're literally a joke. "Some jobs were NEEDED in the pandemic". Yes, and monthly checks would have afforded those who did not want to do those jobs (so they could prioritize their children's education *during a deadly pandemic*) the economic freedom to leave. It would have put upward pressure on employers of necessary industries to shift profits to investments in making the work environment safer and better so people are more willing to work.

 

You're feigning outrage and appropriating concerns about poor people yet now are contorting yourself in disgust over the idea that poor people deserve to have fulfilling lives and families without slaving away over YOUR Doordash order. 

 

You're also now attacking teachers as "not wanting to do their jobs" (!?!). Spoiler: many teachers are poor and have low incomes for those with degrees. You're screaming over the idea of giving poor people money on the basis that people by virtue of being alive deserve a certain standard of living while also trying to use poor people as props.

 

Who exactly do you think you're fooling? How long does your ideology have to continue to fail for you to get it?

Edited September 3, 2022 by Communion

[confide in me]

Not people blaming this on lockdowns 

 Never change ATRL

[justjess]

23 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

So I guess teachers and custodians and administrative staff were just supposed to go into work and die, then?

this

 

I'm an educator...I think my life was saved teaching virtually pre-vaccine. It's a sacrifice that had to be made. 

[Jagger]

On 9/2/2022 at 4:50 PM, Jennifer said:

Shocker. This is all on liberals and democrats. Almost all their Covid related policies were lies and nonsense but the ones related to schools and kids were far away the worst 

Literally. Everyone was calling this since the beginning. Kids were gonna become brain dead 

[Bloo]

On 9/2/2022 at 1:31 PM, xclusivestylesz said:

Bullshit. The kids who wanted to learn would've still did so. 99.99% of students gave no fucks

For early-childhood education, most of the teacher’s job is maintaining attention because children naturally aren’t going to have the focus to sit down and learn like an adult. Of course this affected them. So yes, the educational needs of students vary by age. I’m shocked this needs to be spelled out explicitly.

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People using this finding to demonize efforts to save people’s lives aren’t well-informed. We have no idea how many teachers would have just died had we not instituted the minimum protections that we did. A large number of dead teachers would easily lead to this same outcome. 
 

Instead, y’all bemoaning this should instead focus on the Republican-led efforts to dismantle public education altogether with their attacks on teachers as a whole—leading to the current teacher shortage. 

[Katy V.!]

I understand that no one knew how to deal with COVID and it made sense (was the 'rational' decision) at the time but to still be defending lockdowns after all this time  

 

No surprise it's coming from the genocide supporters, though. 

[Saddy]

On 9/2/2022 at 3:31 PM, xclusivestylesz said:

Bullshit. The kids who wanted to learn would've still did so. 99.99% of students gave no fucks

[Communion]

35 minutes ago, Katy V.! said:

I understand that no one knew how to deal with COVID and it made sense (was the 'rational' decision) at the time but to still be defending lockdowns after all this time

The irony that far-right have compared lockdowns to murder when your "let it rip!" policies have permanently disabled millions upon millions of people worldwide and killed upwards of 6 Million. 

 

The audacity for conspiracy theorists talking about "COVID wasn't really even that bad lol" to speak about children when their rejection of public health measures has made them directly complicit in orphaning countless children.

 

Imagine thinking one has the moral high ground when millions of children lost either one or both parents around the world because y'all thought the aliens were gonna put microchips in your brain via masks and hand sanitizer. 

[EnigmaticAndroid]

13 hours ago, Dephira said:

 

Why do you want to literally genocide children from worse-off backgrounds who benefit the most from in-person schooling? 

My father is a teacher and there were quite a few staff deaths in the county caused by COVID because Florida refused to lockdown. They had to cover some of them up. Why do you want to literally genocide the staff who teach these children?

 

Edited September 4, 2022 by EnigmaticAndroid

[Steve Jobs]

On 9/2/2022 at 9:31 PM, xclusivestylesz said:

Bullshit. The kids who wanted to learn would've still did so. 99.99% of students gave no fucks

This is about 9 year olds not highschoolers

[MonsterJohn]

I doubt American education made any progress the last decades considering how dumb Americans are

[unbothered]

4 hours ago, MonsterJohn said:

I doubt American education made any progress the last decades considering how dumb Americans are

Well damn! 

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

On 9/2/2022 at 2:30 PM, shookspeare said:

yeah I know some people who teach grade school and apparently the situation has gotten way worse than it was, and it was already bad

 

maybe republicans made a point here 

I also know some people who work in public education who have told me about how they took their kids out of public school during covid because it became such a mess, or they noticed that attendance became nearly impossible to track, so who knows if kids were actually even doing anything. The idea of lockdown was good in theory but the execution of it was a hot mess because a lot of public schools in America were Ill-prepared and 100% not ready to go fully remote. Kids were probably learning a fraction of what they normally would + not socializing with each other much at all. It sounds super depressing and stagnant for such a young age.
 

On 9/2/2022 at 4:50 PM, Jennifer said:

Shocker. This is all on liberals and democrats. Almost all their Covid related policies were lies and nonsense but the ones related to schools and kids were far away the worst 

Yeah tbh I think you’re right. I think we’re going to see the ramifications of the school/kids for years down the line. I think what we’re really not discussing is how the lockdowns and lack of socializing potentially ****** up a lot of kids socially. Also I’ve been told they have absolutely zero attention spans whatsoever now. I’m sure they did nothing but browse their phones during 2020/2021.

 

On 9/2/2022 at 6:42 PM, Communion said:

The refusal to invest in funding for online remote learning by the federal government causes this, not lockdowns lol. 

Tea. It should’ve worked, going remote, but the fact of the matter is the under-funded American education system was not prepared or equipped adequately. Sadly, a lot of families were not prepared either. A lot of children didn’t have the most comfortable homes to commit to full time online learning.

On 9/3/2022 at 4:38 AM, Dephira said:

Not to mention the worst affected by far were the students who are already struggling, but suddenly the left seems to not give a crap about those. Almost like it's a bit difficult to do distance learning when the family doesn't have enough money for a laptop for every kid, and at least one parent who can work from a cushy home office and have an eye on the kids. 

 

School closures were a huge disaster and it's a bit frightening that some people still aren't willing to acknowledge that. 

Agree with this.

 

i understand why lockdowns were done, to protect everyone from a virus we knew very little about and weren’t vaccinated at the time, but I think it’s okay to simutaneously acknowledge the ramifications of how it was all dealt with. Children soak up the world like a sponge when they’re young and what they soaked up in 2020/2021 is gonna stay with them forever. 

[ClashAndBurn]

The death rate of COVID would have meant several teachers per school across the country dying needless deaths pre-vaccine. We can agree that lockdowns were maybe no longer necessary after the vaccine became widely available, but we should also acknowledge that school boards largely pocketed relief money and didn’t spend it on improving ventilation systems because they view their employees as expendable, and the Biden Administration was urging as early as more than a year ago that the pandemic was over and it was time to get back to normal, even while cases were reaching higher peaks and more people were dying during the Delta and Omicron waves.

 

What y’all are advocating for by saying we never should have had lockdowns at all is for dead teachers and an even worse shortage due to an even more apparent lack of respect for the lives of those in the profession.

 

Not to mention, snot-nosed kids would have brought the disease home from school to their parents (and grandparents in multi-generational homes) than what already happened and you would likely have ended up with even more traumatized orphaned children.

[Eric.]

I can't believe some people keep on going through with the blame game as if anyone had a perfect solution to this from the get-go and as if the lockdowns were implemented for no reason at all. 

 

What are the proposed solutions to alleviate this and help this generation of kids? Are there any proposals besides more whining that you had to see your kids at home during the morning?

Edited September 9, 2022 by Eric.

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

5 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The death rate of COVID would have meant several teachers per school across the country dying needless deaths pre-vaccine. We can agree that lockdowns were maybe no longer necessary after the vaccine became widely available, but we should also acknowledge that school boards largely pocketed relief money and didn’t spend it on improving ventilation systems because they view their employees as expendable, and the Biden Administration was urging as early as more than a year ago that the pandemic was over and it was time to get back to normal, even while cases were reaching higher peaks and more people were dying during the Delta and Omicron waves.

 

What y’all are advocating for by saying we never should have had lockdowns at all is for dead teachers and an even worse shortage due to an even more apparent lack of respect for the lives of those in the profession.

 

Not to mention, snot-nosed kids would have brought the disease home from school to their parents (and grandparents in multi-generational homes) than what already happened and you would likely have ended up with even more traumatized orphaned children.

I think it’s not so much mentioning that school lockdowns should’ve never happened, it’s moreso that lockdowns went on too long. The kids were pretty isolated from other children and getting dodgy remote learning for over a year… that is a very long time in a child’s brain. And then the return to physical learning was also kind of a mess because there was so much lack of care to follow proper protocols and constant covid scares. They would be told they’d be in person all week, then last minute On Sunday night at 7 pm told “oh nvm we’re all remote again this week, someone got covid”; then the parents would have no time to figure out day care options out of the blue because they had jobs they had to go into person and could not watch their child without taking off work.

 

Also what I will say based on hearing real life experiences: The parents and kids constantly lie about being exposed to covid even over 2 years.A lot of parents will send their kids to school anyway . It’s absolutely morally wrong to do, but it’s being done and it’s not gonna stop. So no matter how long we keep kids locked down, whether it’s 2 months or 2 years, there’s gonna be covid-ridden children and adults in those schools regardless now. It’s a matter of hopefully they’re vaccinated up to speed at this point and would be safer if they were exposed. 

to tell you the truth, you make good points, but so do the people who say lockdowns were a disaster. I think both are true and what it boils down to is that the American education system was beyond ill equipped to handle a pandemic and the kids are the ones who are going to suffer for it long-term. 

[Kamil24]

Lockdowns have been a tragedy for children everywhere. Hopefully this will never happen again, schools should remain open.

[RunUpDoneUp]

Now how many decades of knowledge did conservatives removing and banning books, kicking out kids, burning down labs + libraries and policing learning do? Unknowable, that's how often and widespread it is.

 

Lockdowns have use, conservatives do not.

[BobBertran1992]

I don't usually post comments such as the one I'm about to post, but you know what would have been bad for students too? Their parents/legal guardians and teachers dying.

 

This was an unknown virus/disease, with no treatment whatsoever, so, as bad or unorganized as lockdowns of any kind in 2020 might have been, they were better than nothing.