discussion Chinese city of 21 million shuts down over new COVID-19 outbreak

[kwek_kwek]

Around 16 million people in the Chinese city of Chengdu will be effectively under lockdown from Thursday as authorities race to snuff out a new COVID-19 outbreak.
 

 

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/topstories/world/843485/chinese-city-of-16-million-to-shut-down-over-new-covid-19-outbreak/story/?fbclid=IwAR0nJalBkciWKJHSCkVCHCFWyZ_it_msWa81uSgmnm59Tr1jZTOzomeqK1w
 

 

 

[KillingYourCareer]

This is unthinkable to me. It's no longer like in the pre-vaccine days when the mortality rates were high and lockdowns could have been justified. Now death rates are much, much lower and locking people down is just silly, the virus is going nowhere, just keep getting vaccinated and use sensible precautions.

[shookspeare]

imagine still dealing with draconian lockdowns in 2022 

[Donquizote]

[igotabigfatass]

I hope this madness ends soon. They need to be free in October to go buy Midnights

[KnightOfAllRealms]

Imagine if we get a new strain that is vaccine resistant or something 

[ProudLBS]

if this anti-science insanity causes their downfall I’ll never stop laughing

[Taylucifer]

ill literally kms if my city ever goes to lockdown again

[Bloodflowers.]

all that over this overblown virus fad  

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, KnightOfAllRealms said:

Imagine if we get a new strain that is vaccine resistant or something 

Um...we did..like a year ago already.  This is old news.  

[Cloudy]

You know they are SickAndTired.mp3 of this nonsense

 

I can't imagine how it must be to see the rest of the world mostly going back to normal and them still stuck in this nonsense

 

[Gov Hooka]

It’s really funny to me to see USians who live in a country where hundreds are still dying a day from covid (40% of those from fully vaccinated people) and now up to 16 million working age people are exhibiting long term covid symptoms to complain about dRAcONiAn lOCkDoWNs

[AlanRickman1946]

See when they have these huge lockdowns in makes me think that there is some credence to the theory that it was created in a lab in order to predict the impact of a future pandemic.
 

[Chemist]

11 hours ago, Gov Hooka said:

It’s really funny to me to see USians who live in a country where hundreds are still dying a day from covid (40% of those from fully vaccinated people) and now up to 16 million working age people are exhibiting long term covid symptoms to complain about dRAcONiAn lOCkDoWNs

how can you defend these absurd lockdowns? I know you love china but sometimes things are completely indefensible. It's giving blind stan

[Robert]

15 hours ago, Gov Hooka said:

It’s really funny to me to see USians who live in a country where hundreds are still dying a day from covid (40% of those from fully vaccinated people) and now up to 16 million working age people are exhibiting long term covid symptoms to complain about dRAcONiAn lOCkDoWNs

You don’t have to go the route of the US but these lockdowns affect small businesses and people’s mental health. The lockdowns in China are much stricter than the ones in the west were. The zero-Covid strategy was effective pre-vaccine but they can’t keep it up forever.

[Gottasadae]

This is insane  

[Communion]

On 9/2/2022 at 8:12 AM, Robert said:

The lockdowns in China are much stricter than the ones in the west were. 

This is objectively untrue. They may be "strict" in terms of the limitations, but often they're for shorter periods of time that most Western lockdowns were for *because* greater limitation of the ability to spread ultimately let most people live their lives normally in the time between.

 

Any criticism that isn't discussions on how China can use tech to better revolutionize their strategy is just silly. Chinese society won't accept the kinds of loss of life the West did and are willing to sacrifice aspects of their economy and "liberties" to ensure lowered deaths. It's simply a difference of way of life. Most angry reactions veer into cultural chauvinism over Chinese society being different and not valid criticisms over how China can be more efficient.

 

By all means, criticism China, but it's just silly how the conversations never include the commentary of people actually in China who feel aspects can be improved but reject the Western-style barbarism that sees people accepting hundreds dying daily.

 

Edited September 4, 2022 by Communion

[Protocol]

The fact that there are random cities in China that few know outside of the country or Chinese diaspora with 15m+ people is just  That's more than the entire London metropolitan area, and London is arguably the centre of the world.

[Robert]

4 hours ago, Communion said:

This is objectively untrue. They may be "strict" in terms of the limitations, but often they're for shorter periods of time that most Western lockdowns were for *because* greater limitation of the ability to spread ultimately let most people live their lives normally in the time between.

 

Any criticism that isn't discussions on how China can use tech to better revolutionize their strategy is just silly. Chinese society won't accept the kinds of loss of life the West did and are willing to sacrifice aspects of their economy and "liberties" to ensure lowered deaths. It's simply a difference of way of life. Most angry reactions veer into cultural chauvinism over Chinese society being different and not valid criticisms over how China can be more efficient.

 

By all means, criticism China, but it's just silly how the conversations never include the commentary of people actually in China who feel aspects can be improved but reject the Western-style barbarism that sees people accepting hundreds dying daily.

 

There are many people in China who are critical of zero-covid (along with scientists) and nearly every every country has dropped zero-Covid not just the west. Also the lockdowns are not always short, Shanghai had an extremely long lockdown in which people weren’t even allowed to leave the house for exercise or walk their pets. This could have a massive effect on some people’s mental health (searches for psychological counselling on Baidu have seen a 253% increase).

 

I feel this video showcased some interesting viewpoints and showed a wide range of different opinions.

 

 

 

As I mentioned China doesn’t have to take the route of the US or UK which is another extreme but there are valid criticisms of a zero-Covid strategy. Countries such as Vietnam and Thailand have managed to keep deaths low whilst changing strategy so there are more than just two options.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Robert

[Mr.Link]

What’s the point of these extremist measures when their frontiers are wide open and people in EU and US don’t give a **** anymore about masks or covid itself? 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Robert said:

 

I'm confused what you're trying to show with this video, as it highlights the above observation.

 

The vast majority of those interviewed explain how the lockdowns are due to the deadly risk of the virus and the complaints have to do with improving the way the different local governments implement lockdowns. 

 

That this is in Shanghai, where the breakdown of the local government was highly documented, yet the main complaints are just that - logistical complaints about the availability of certain goods and items, poor ventilation fixes, etc.

 

But part of Shanghai's failures was *not* following the quick and fast method of other parts of the country, ie: single-digit cases meaning people have to test every 48 hours instead of 72 hours. 

 

Again, I'll repeat what I said originally - a lot of the complaints that gawk at how China is handling COVID come from outside of China, are not representative of the tone from inside China (as that video shows) and ignores that most people want to find ways to make how China is handling COVID and minimizing deaths still work.

 

It's completely fair and accurate to say that anyone like "just move on! the rest of us did!" has no actual idea how China works or the actual improvements most Chinese want (ie: ending the silly practice of fogging down everything and actually implement more advanced ventilation tech for the long haul) versus what there's little enthusiasm for (ie: the "let it rip!!!" approach that has killed and disabled millions in the West).

[Robert]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

I'm confused what you're trying to show with this video, as it highlights the above observation.

 

The vast majority of those interviewed explain how the lockdowns are due to the deadly risk of the virus and the complaints have to do with improving the way the different local governments implement lockdowns. 

 

That this is in Shanghai, where the breakdown of the local government was highly documented, yet the main complaints are just that - logistical complaints about the availability of certain goods and items, poor ventilation fixes, etc.

 

But part of Shanghai's failures was *not* following the quick and fast method of other parts of the country, ie: single-digit cases meaning people have to test every 48 hours instead of 72 hours. 

 

Again, I'll repeat what I said originally - a lot of the complaints that gawk at how China is handling COVID come from outside of China, are not representative of the tone from inside China (as that video shows) and ignores that most people want to find ways to make how China is handling COVID and minimizing deaths still work.

 

It's completely fair and accurate to say that anyone like "just move on! the rest of us did!" has no actual idea how China works or the actual improvements most Chinese want (ie: ending the silly practice of fogging down everything and actually implement more advanced ventilation tech for the long haul) versus what there's little enthusiasm for (ie: the "let it rip!!!" approach that has killed and disabled millions in the West).

A lot of people in the video were very critical and spoke of how difficult the lockdown was and how they don’t think they could go through it again as well as wider impact on businesses and their jobs. If you look at people fleeing when a store was being locked down, it seems more people are worried about being forced into isolation more than anything (this is why many Hong Kongers didn’t report they had Covid when it was still following a zero-Covid policy).

 

Every province of China has had cases in the last 2 weeks so the strategy is getting more difficult to implement as variants get more contagious. There are countries that have successfully minimised deaths while being able to live with Covid (Singapore, New Zealand, Vietnam, UAE, Thailand etc). 
 

 

Edited September 5, 2022 by Robert

[Jude]

A lockdown in 2022 Q3? We all have to laugh.

[Kamil24]

To think I was planning to travel there in 2020 before the pandemic started  I could never risk going there now.