vale9001 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) well it's not that untrue, seems more shadinf for Katy actually, like she only has been teenage dream while taylor has been a lot of successfull things you can't even eliminate 1989..if you only take away 1989 this means reputation is still there, or max martin songs on red so in some way her pop image is still there the only untrue thing is 1989 only has one relevant song.. all the singles expect bad blood have became classics Edited February 5, 2023 by vale9001
Gork Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 now that we're getting closer and closer to an announcement, which song from Speak Now TV do you think will get the single treatment? (maybe a From The Vault song?)
EarthJang Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 None of the "rock" version sound better than the original
Badgalbriel Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Cleanromantic said: This has to be the most delusional take I've ever read on this site "You could remove 1989 from Taylor’s career and you’d only be missing one signature song and not much else. Taylor’s 1989 is not the touchstone for her career the way Teenage Dream is for Katy’s." Oth really say anything . Well, that's actually a good thing. Katy has nothing to her name. Taylor has literally every other album which as was big as 1989.
Klein Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Well, that's actually a good thing. Katy has nothing to her name. Taylor has literally every other album which as was big as 1989. And that's not even accounting for the fact that 1989 is not in her top tier albums quality wise + even if you removed it entirely from her discography, she'd still be the most successful female from her generation and doing 45M streams daily. 1989 is not to Taylor what Teenage Dream is to Katy Perry. Not even close. Like, only Blank Space and Wildest Dreams would be a real loss. Clean, Style and New Romantics kinda too. The rest of the album is not really essential for her discography, even though it's mostly good/decent songs.
Cleanromantic Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, vale9001 said: well it's not that untrue, seems more shadinf for Katy actually, like she only has been teenage dream while taylor has been a lot of successfull things you can't even eliminate 1989..if you only take away 1989 this means reputation is still there, or max martin songs on red so in some way her pop image is still there the only untrue thing is 1989 only has one relevant song.. all the singles expect bad blood have became classics 55 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Well, that's actually a good thing. Katy has nothing to her name. Taylor has literally every other album which as was big as 1989. 36 minutes ago, Klein said: And that's not even accounting for the fact that 1989 is not in her top tier albums quality wise + even if you removed it entirely from her discography, she'd still be the most successful female from her generation and doing 45M streams daily. 1989 is not to Taylor what Teenage Dream is to Katy Perry. Not even close. Like, only Blank Space and Wildest Dreams would be a real loss. Clean, Style and New Romantics kinda too. The rest of the album is not really essential for her discography, even though it's mostly good/decent songs. 1- That member who is an obsessed oth was not making that comparison in good faith. 2- This statement "Taylor’s 1989 is not the touchstone for her career teenage dream is to Katy's" is simply false. 1989 is the most important album in Taylor's career trajectory for her first decade in the business. It was her first POP album and completed her crossover from country to pop. It catapulted her to a global superstar and finally put her on the same playing field as the other POP girls (she was already outselling them, but her success was always explained away as tied to being a country act, with it she was beating them at their own game). Red to Reputation would be a jarring transition without 1989 bridging the gap, Reputation would make no sense without the backlash following the 1989 era, and Lover and Midnights build on the pop sensibilities she introduced on 1989. Not even Folklore and Evermore would make sense without 1989, since she only felt comfortable doing another genre shift after cementing her place as a heavy weight in the POP sphere and exploring every corner of the pop landscape that she started with 1989.
Cleanromantic Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Why Speak Now is the most overrated album in Taylor's career: - Fearless has better country Pop songs than Speak Now. The country Pop songs on it felt like rehashed versions of the ones on Fearless. - The pop rock songs sound very dated, like something you'd find on an Avril or Pink album fr that same era, she did Rock much better on Red, and she explored the genre more with Arena Rock, soft rock and alt rock. - Folklore and Evermore are better "wordy" albums. They have the insightfulness and introspection 19/20 year old Taylor lacked and Aaron's experimental compositions really elevated her lyrics. Basically the only reason swifties are obsessed with it is because it's "self-written" (as if she didn't write her other songs herself ) since most of them don't even know what Songwriting is (ironic since they stan a songwriter ) and think it's only the lyrics, therefore they think it's more "authentic" (Swifties are worse than Damon Albarn, they discredit her songwriting than they act surprised when others do it as well), and they also love to use it as a Stan attack against other artists. I'm not saying it's a bad album (Enchanted, Long Live, Never Grow Up... are all great) but to act like it's one of her bests is like gatekeeping her from working with other people and being more adventurous with her writing. It's also messed up to send the subliminal message that she can never measure up to what she did 13 years ago just because people are blinded by nostalgia. And no, haunted and last kiss are not the career highlights people think they are.
GiftFromGod Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 8 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said: Why Speak Now is the most overrated album in Taylor's career: - Fearless has better country Pop songs than Speak Now. The country Pop songs on it felt like rehashed versions of the ones on Fearless. - The pop rock songs sound very dated, like something you'd find on an Avril or Pink album fr that same era, she did Rock much better on Red, and she explored the genre more with Arena Rock, soft rock and alt rock. - Folklore and Evermore are better "wordy" albums. They have the insightfulness and introspection 19/20 year old Taylor lacked and Aaron's experimental compositions really elevated her lyrics. Basically the only reason swifties are obsessed with it is because it's "self-written" (as if she didn't write her other songs herself ) since most of them don't even know what Songwriting is (ironic since they stan a songwriter ) and think it's only the lyrics, therefore they think it's more "authentic" (Swifties are worse than Damon Albarn, they discredit her songwriting than they act surprised when others do it as well), and they also love to use it as a Stan attack against other artists. I'm not saying it's a bad album (Enchanted, Long Live, Never Grow Up... are all great) but to act like it's one of her bests is like gatekeeping her from working with other people and being more adventurous with her writing. It's also messed up to send the subliminal message that she can never measure up to what she did 13 years ago just because people are blinded by nostalgia. And no, haunted and last kiss are not the career highlights people think they are. PLEASE. Fearless is the Teenage Dream of Country Pop. Formulaic country pop songs. Even Mixtape has more depth than Fearless.
vale9001 Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) SN is better than fearless even if fearless is more iconic but yeah then she made Red and that's SN but a lot better. The fact is overrated depend on who is speaking..it's not that awarded album and i think the conversations of fans since a lot of years are more on "red or folklore are her best"...so maybe someone is saying speak now is the best but i don't think is the main opinion. Some people are even saying reputation is her best, so definitely i would say that's her the most overrated cause it's even her worst easily. Edited February 5, 2023 by vale9001
Klein Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said: Why Speak Now is the most overrated album in Taylor's career: - Fearless has better country Pop songs than Speak Now. The country Pop songs on it felt like rehashed versions of the ones on Fearless. - The pop rock songs sound very dated, like something you'd find on an Avril or Pink album fr that same era, she did Rock much better on Red, and she explored the genre more with Arena Rock, soft rock and alt rock. - Folklore and Evermore are better "wordy" albums. They have the insightfulness and introspection 19/20 year old Taylor lacked and Aaron's experimental compositions really elevated her lyrics. Basically the only reason swifties are obsessed with it is because it's "self-written" (as if she didn't write her other songs herself ) since most of them don't even know what Songwriting is (ironic since they stan a songwriter ) and think it's only the lyrics, therefore they think it's more "authentic" (Swifties are worse than Damon Albarn, they discredit her songwriting than they act surprised when others do it as well), and they also love to use it as a Stan attack against other artists. I'm not saying it's a bad album (Enchanted, Long Live, Never Grow Up... are all great) but to act like it's one of her bests is like gatekeeping her from working with other people and being more adventurous with her writing. It's also messed up to send the subliminal message that she can never measure up to what she did 13 years ago just because people are blinded by nostalgia. And no, haunted and last kiss are not the career highlights people think they are. Let me cut you off right there. The reason we love Speak Now so much is because it's filled with excellent songs. I don't think it's her best album ever, but it's the only one with Red that can compete with folklore and especially my personal favourite evermore. It's no surprise Speak Now is a fan favourite when it has songs like Long Live, Enchanted, Back To December, Dear John, Mean, Ours, Sparks Fly, Better Than Revenge... and yes, also Haunted and Last Kiss which ARE highlights. Even the less incredible songs are great, like Speak Now, Mine, The Story Of Us... It's not a question of how many people worked with her. Red is one of her most beloved album and yet it has more songwriters than folklore, evermore, Fearless, Debut, 1989 and has the same amount as Lover (and that's even more than that if you count the people that worked on Red TV's vault tracks). Imagine defending 1989 with every fiber of your being and then immediately proceed to trash Speak Now.
Cleanromantic Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Klein said: Imagine defending 1989 with every fiber of your being and then immediately proceed to trash Speak Now. What I wrote about 1989 is about its importance in her career. What I wrote about Speak Now is about its quality and its fan narrative. I don't see the correlation. But now that you brought them up together, Speak Now is the true definition of what that oth wrote . People often think she went from Fearless straight ahead to Red and forget Speak Now even exists . Also 1989>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peak Low. Edited February 5, 2023 by Cleanromantic
mael Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) If we’re gonna remove albums from Her discography then Loser and Reputa please!!! Edited February 5, 2023 by mael
mael Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 The Story Of Us came on today and it’s still such a serve.
Klein Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said: Also 1989>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peak Low. Let's just agree to disagree then, because there is no way an album with WTNY, BB and SIO is better than Speak Now.
PaloSanto Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 ignore me im just dropping my updated ranking of the album You’re on Your Own, Kid Would've, Could've, Should've The Great War Maroon Anti-Hero Hits Different High Infidelity Mastermind Bejeweled Paris Karma Glitch Midnight Rain Labyrinth Bigger Than The Whole Sky Question...? Dear Reader Sweet Nothing Lavender Haze Vigilante Skip Skip on the Beach
Bosque Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 I'm lost how people can't see the brilliance of Speak Now. It underperformed because Mine was a cheap Love Story knockoff. But honestly every single pop song on there is flawless and catchy. The slower songs are beautiful without exception, Enchanted, Last Kiss, Never Grow Up and Long Live are all *chef's kiss*. Mine and Innocent are the only duds.
skizzo Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Klein said: Let's just agree to disagree then, because there is no way an album with WTNY, BB and SIO is better than Speak Now. But those are the only average songs on the album. All the other songs range from great to masterpiece. Not to say Speak Now is a bad album (far from it, but it still has its mediocre tracks too). However, let's not pretend 1989 is a mediocre album when its not, its up there as a pop masterpiece. Clean, Wonderland, You Are In Love, Style, This Love, I Know Places, Blank Space, HYGTG, Wildest Dreams, Out Of The Woods, AYHTDWS, I Wish You Would, New Romantics, all bops. 1989 vault tracks will shut **** down. I'm just scared for her not working with Max in the re-recordings as the songs not being as good. Elvira is not on his level. Edited February 5, 2023 by skizzo
Klein Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, skizzo said: But those are the only average songs on the album. All the other songs range from great to masterpiece. Not to say Speak Now is a bad album (far from it, but it still has its mediocre tracks too). However, let's not pretend 1989 is a mediocre album when its not, its up there as a pop masterpiece. Clean, Wonderland, You Are In Love, Style, This Love, I Know Places, Blank Space, HYGTG, Wildest Dreams, Out Of The Woods, AYHTDWS, I Wish You Would, New Romantics, all bops. 1989 vault tracks will shut **** down. I'm just scared for her not working with Max in the re-recordings as the songs not being as good. Elvira is not on his level. I'd never consider 1989 a mediocre album, but in my opinion, she has 5 albums better than that (evermore, folklore, Speak Now, Red, and Midnights). Still, it's a very good album, it just happens that Taylor has a phenomenal discography. But when your discography is that good, obviously having 3 strong duds will affect the overall album ranking imo (especially on a short album). In the end, I find those debates about her best albums to be fun. It looks like everyone has a different favourite, and that is a testament to how excellent her discography actually is. But still, the official ranking of her discography is this one: evermore folklore Speak Now Red Midnights 1989 Fearless Lover Reputation Debut Reputation and Debut are coming for Lover's wig (maybe Fearless' too) with the TVs though.
skizzo Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) I put 1989 just after Folklore. Each to their own. My ranking: Folklore 1989 Red Midnights Evermore Lover Speak Now Reputation Fearless Debut Edited February 5, 2023 by skizzo
4Real Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Klein said: Like, only Blank Space and Wildest Dreams would be a real loss. Clean, Style and New Romantics kinda too. The rest of the album is not really essential for her discography, even though it's mostly good/decent songs. Some of you stans are so delusional with the Shake It Off hate. It is essential to her discography and if it didn't exist she would have zero known songs in many countries of the world.
Taylor fanboy Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Imagine being a dREaD and Loser stan only to hate Preach Now.
theflying Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 Shake It Off gets way too much “hate” or perceived meh was from her fans. It’s a really fun song that still gets a ton of recurrent play, that bolsters the album. It doesn’t detract from it (like ME!).
wastedpotential Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 5 hours ago, EarthJang said: None of the "rock" version sound better than the original I agree with you for the vast majority of the rock remixes, but this is god-tier, if only it were properly mixed
Taylor fanboy Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 6 hours ago, EarthJang said: None of the "rock" version sound better than the original Jang is right, surely right, Jang!
Dear Reader Posted February 5, 2023 Posted February 5, 2023 have you guys noticed that the Wildest Dreams (TV)'s canvas on spotify now pauses on the wink and then continues?
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