Young Volcanoes Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Communion said: What I'm saying is clear. When you open up LGBT spaces to cishet people, like cishet women on a bachelorette party, and who go to a gay club for the first time or a drag show for the first time for ~the wild experience~ of being around LGBT people, like at a zoo, they experience things for the first time and will miss the joke. Like how drag queens going over and taking a sip of someone's drink is a common 'gag'. Or in Shannel's case, joking around a "forcibly" taking 2-3 single dollar bills from every patron (since one would assume every patron is going to tip a queen anyway) is common. It's not something a person familiar with American drag culture would be confused about. By opening up the space, you now have opened it up to people who don't actually respect LGBT people. Which is why you now have a woman who didn't get the joke of the skit, mistakenly thought much more was stolen from her than just a few dollar bills, and who is now peddling her experience to anti-LGBT conservatives online as a reason why drag is bad even when the queen herself and management apologized for the bit not being obvious, for distressing, and willing to give her a full refund to the show for her entire party. i get where you're coming from but i don't see anything funny about taking someone's purse or wallet without their explicit permission or taking a sip of their drink considering the times we're living at the moment (pandemic, recession etc). this has nothing to do with sexual orientation, gender or race. unfortunately the drag queen performed the skit on the wrong person (could've been anyone else really - this happened in las vegas where i presume people of all walks of life visit such as people not familiar with america's lgbt culture) and didn't handle the situation as well as she could've at the time it happened. hopefully this'll serve as a lesson for her management to let the visitors know what to expect at her shows
Last Boy on Earth Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) the miserable self hating gays here taking this as an opportunity to attack feminine gays and drag queens Edited August 20, 2022 by Last Boy on Earth
Adamj.dion Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 The way this case has opened up the floodgates to these kinds of channels to have a field day.
Jet Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 Y’all are seriously defending robbery? Just when I thought this forum couldn’t get any more vile…there’s even a mod in here defending it Even if it was $1 (it was clearly way more than that), it’s still theft. When I go to a drag show, I do not OWE anyone anything. That is why it is called a tip. The performer is not entitled to my money. Someone reaching into your purse and taking money out of it without your consent is literally the definition of robbery regardless of how much money it actually was. Even if the lady is some sort of undercover conservative Karen, she is absolutely entitled to sue both the performer and the establishment. Shame on anyone claiming this as part of gay or drag culture or twisting this into some sort of homophobic situation, you sound like a bunch of morons
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted August 20, 2022 ATRL Moderator Posted August 20, 2022 Thankfully from what I’ve seen, outside of conservative spaces the majority of people online have sided with Shannel in this situation. If a few members here find themselves agreeing with straight conservatives over the queer community, that just tells on themselves more than anything.
Communion Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, khalyan said: Thankfully from what I’ve seen, outside of conservative spaces the majority of people online have sided with Shannel in this situation. If a few members here find themselves agreeing with straight conservatives over the queer community, that just tells on themselves more than anything.
Hephaestus Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 2 hours ago, khalyan said: Thankfully from what I’ve seen, outside of conservative spaces the majority of people online have sided with Shannel in this situation. If a few members here find themselves agreeing with straight conservatives over the queer community, that just tells on themselves more than anything.
Anye Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 I can’t at people defending THEFT. Id attack or sue someone if they went after my purse , Idgaf
monster_enriquer Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Jet said: Y’all are seriously defending robbery? Just when I thought this forum couldn’t get any more vile…there’s even a mod in here defending it Even if it was $1 (it was clearly way more than that), it’s still theft. When I go to a drag show, I do not OWE anyone anything. That is why it is called a tip. The performer is not entitled to my money. Someone reaching into your purse and taking money out of it without your consent is literally the definition of robbery regardless of how much money it actually was. Even if the lady is some sort of undercover conservative Karen, she is absolutely entitled to sue both the performer and the establishment. Shame on anyone claiming this as part of gay or drag culture or twisting this into some sort of homophobic situation, you sound like a bunch of morons literally
ThehushSound Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 55 minutes ago, Anye said: I can’t at people defending THEFT. Id attack or sue someone if they went after my purse , Idgaf No one is defending theft, we are simply saying the situation is more complex than what you simple minded plebs are making it out to be. By doing so you are actively helping encourage a growing wave of oppression and hatred against the queer community.
Miracle Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 5:05 PM, Nexto said: What part of robbery don't you understand? The queen grabbed her purse and took money from it without her consent. This is theft, gag or no gag The woman has been shown to be a Christian conservative white crazy lady whos said homophobic remarks (like being gay being a choice) This feels so staged on her part, she's trash. But y'all have such self hate that yall cannot discern between two dollars taken in a gag (like Gaga asking to borrow for 20dollars in Vegas and then putting it on her mouth and not giving them back). It's part of the performance. If you don't know how drag performances work, don't go. Plus she was given back 20 in exchange, that's a win for me. No judge would take this stupid incident into account
Pop Life Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 19 hours ago, Communion said: What I'm saying is clear. When you open up LGBT spaces to cishet people, like cishet women on a bachelorette party, and who go to a gay club for the first time or a drag show for the first time for ~the wild experience~ of being around LGBT people, like at a zoo, they experience things for the first time and will miss the joke. Like how drag queens going over and taking a sip of someone's drink is a common 'gag'. Or in Shannel's case, joking around a "forcibly" taking 2-3 single dollar bills from every patron (since one would assume every patron is going to tip a queen anyway) is common. It's not something a person familiar with American drag culture would be confused about. By opening up the space, you now have opened it up to people who don't actually respect LGBT people. Which is why you now have a woman who didn't get the joke of the skit, mistakenly thought much more was stolen from her than just a few dollar bills, and who is now peddling her experience to anti-LGBT conservatives online as a reason why drag is bad even when the queen herself and management apologized for the bit not being obvious, for distressing her, and being willing to give her a full refund to the show for her entire party for the bad experience. It's clearly not worth opening up drag shows to these kind of explicitly cishet outings. Couldn't have said it better myself. They're called queer safe spaces for a reason. We get enough **** out in the world at large why are we inviting snakes in the garden??
ninasayers Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 The libs of tiktok fans convention going on right here on this very thread. Is siding with homophobic conservatives some sort of sport for you all. 8 hours ago, khalyan said: Thankfully from what I’ve seen, outside of conservative spaces the majority of people online have sided with Shannel in this situation. If a few members here find themselves agreeing with straight conservatives over the queer community, that just tells on themselves more than anything.
brazil Posted August 21, 2022 Posted August 21, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 5:16 PM, Pop Life said: Drag shows used to be raucous messy fun where all sorts of antics ensued. This was very obviously meant as a harmless funny bit in Shannel's show that was just a bad fit for 2022. Unfortunately, in today's climate it was only a matter of time before some Karen saw it as an opportunity
winebaldo Posted August 24, 2022 Posted August 24, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 4:37 PM, Jet said: Y’all are seriously defending robbery? Just when I thought this forum couldn’t get any more vile…there’s even a mod in here defending it Even if it was $1 (it was clearly way more than that), it’s still theft. When I go to a drag show, I do not OWE anyone anything. That is why it is called a tip. The performer is not entitled to my money. Someone reaching into your purse and taking money out of it without your consent is literally the definition of robbery regardless of how much money it actually was. Even if the lady is some sort of undercover conservative Karen, she is absolutely entitled to sue both the performer and the establishment. Shame on anyone claiming this as part of gay or drag culture or twisting this into some sort of homophobic situation, you sound like a bunch of morons
PopKills Posted August 24, 2022 Posted August 24, 2022 I would‘ve went on stage and taken my money back wtf
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