discussion Dems abandon free dental for seniors and capping drug prices, vote 3-97 with GOP

[Communion]

 

Democrats' abandoning their big healthcare items part of Biden's original agenda comes as they face current criticism for their proposed "Insulin Co-Pay Cap" that would only impact those who have private insurance (where insurers could simply shift the cost over to premiums) when many of those who can't afford insulin are disproportionately poor and do not have have health insurance.

 

 

[americanlife]

Sad. Is the Medicare negotiating drug prices stuff still in there?

[phreshprince]

They didn’t abandon it. Bernie wanted added last minute and with President Machin, we have to take what we can get. Why are you gaslighting us?

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, phreshprince said:

They didn’t abandon it. 

Free dental/hearing/vision was in the original BBB bill that President Biden helped Dems craft.

It was maybe the boldest and most progressive action Biden has been trying to push in 2 years.

It's completely unacceptable that Dems have failed to keep Biden's agenda intact. 

 

Saying "well they can always just try and pass it in different legislation months later" is unacceptable when Biden introduced it in the framework for BBB that has been in discussions for months now and there may not even be a Congressional Dem majority in 3 months time after midterms.

Edited August 7, 2022 by Communion

[Communion]

1 hour ago, americanlife said:

Sad. Is the Medicare negotiating drug prices stuff still in there?

It seems to be, but the amendment that was rejected was making it so that Medicare had to ensure a price that was at par with or below what the VA gets for drugs (that these have separate negotiations is ???). If the intent is to not have Medicare patients receive the same kind of cost-saving benefits that veterans who get their healthcare through the VA get, one is likely to question how finally 'allowing' negotiations will actually be implemented.

 

The $35 insulin co-pay cap will apparently now be the same - only for Medicare and gutted re: private insurance.

 

 

 

[Horizon Flame]

21 hours ago, phreshprince said:

They didn’t abandon it. Bernie wanted added last minute and with President Machin, we have to take what we can get. Why are you gaslighting us?

Would a supporter of the CCP and Putin lie? 

[Communion]

26 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said:

Would a supporter of the CCP and Putin lie? 

Sis, I know Joe Biden just loosened sanctions on Russian fertilizer but to call him a "supporter of Putin" would be egregious. I'm sure he has his economic reasons and such still doesn't change the depravity of Russia's horrific crimes. I know it's a novel concept but maybe have some faith in the president.  

 

Let alone what does either China or Russia have to do with J*e M*nchin blocking Pres. Biden's BBB agenda and stripping the policy if it's most popular provisions? 

 

Center-right figures like you have such a lack of trust in Biden's agenda that you're willing to take crumbs of it even when we progressives have to tell you Biden's agenda is popular! 

 

 

Biden's original BBB plan included the #3 and #1 most popular policies in the country, which got gutted per the title. Joe Manchin should be ashamed for trying to disrupt Biden's mission to deliver popular progressive policy. 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Communion

[Ibrahim]

"Democrats don't want it" - get outta here with that. 

 

If you had a 60+ dem senate majority and then the dems vote NO, you can say dems don't want it. 

 

Do you think the ACA would have passed with an all-republican majority? Hell no. 

 

Dems vote for what won't tank the bill. Misrepresenting pragmatism as non-support is disingenuous. 

 

Here's another point: Had this bill not passed, you would likely posted "Dems aren't doing anything!" I see so many "progressives" equate Sinema + Manchin as "oh, they're just using them as cover because the dems really don't want it". 

 

It's fruitless and doesn't help anything. Not a smart strategy. 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Ibrahim

[chessguy99]

The insurance industry makes big money with those coverages. They make enhanced Medicare supplement policies built around those. There was probably no chance of that passing the House when the bill went back there with this attached to it. Insurance industry much more heavily invested in the House.

[Kassi]

8 hours ago, Ibrahim said:

"Democrats don't want it" - get outta here with that. 

 

If you had a 60+ dem senate majority and then the dems vote NO, you can say dems don't want it. 

 

Do you think the ACA would have passed with an all-republican majority? Hell no. 

 

Dems vote for what won't tank the bill. Misrepresenting pragmatism as non-support is disingenuous. 

 

Here's another point: Had this bill not passed, you would likely posted "Dems aren't doing anything!" I see so many "progressives" equate Sinema + Manchin as "oh, they're just using them as cover because the dems really don't want it". 

 

It's fruitless and doesn't help anything. Not a smart strategy. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Jotham]

The thread title is so misleading and you know it

[rihannabiggestfan]

Because Dems are closet GOP.

[Armani?]

9 hours ago, Jotham said:

The thread title is so misleading and you know it

They could have voted for it even if it wouldnt pass becuz they wont get rid of the fillibuster 

 

This just looks pathetic

[Ibrahim]

14 minutes ago, Armani? said:

They could have voted for it even if it wouldnt pass becuz they wont get rid of the fillibuster 

 

This just looks pathetic

Can you tell me what 10 Republicans are going to agree to vote to abolish the filibuster so that Democrats can pass bills almost completely unimpeded?

Edited August 11, 2022 by Ibrahim