base talk Why are the new pop girls so boring?

[Katamari]

36 minutes ago, BuzzCharts said:

Because the grandpas on this site are still living in 2008. 
 

 

 

 

[Nazareth]

Commerciality aside, they're just not talented enough and aren’t trained like the artists that came before them. Doja Cat and Billie are the only ones of the new bunch that give that superstar energy. They write their songs, think outside of the box creatively and connect with their audience very well. I would say that Dua Lipa is also on their level, but she’s not as culturally relevant. Her next era will be very interesting to watch. 

There are also a lot of other things that must be happening behind the scenes because some artists of the new generation deserve to have much more success. You hear about artists having issues with managers or labels so often. I think the girls back then had a lot less creative control but worked much harder. Labels just don't develop their artists anymore and focus mostly on investing in songs. 

[halcyonday]

I mean, the age argument is kinda weird? Were the boomers calling Rihanna, Gaga, Katy, Ari etc boring?The girlies were doing the most.  The OP has a point, the music industry has shifted and everyone is very vanilla now. 

[ariananext]

38 minutes ago, Gagacharts said:

One word: Streaming

 

It´s sad what it has done to pop culture. Before the streaming era, you needed to be a good peformer, shock the people, be artistic and create new content to be successfull.

Nowadays you only need a catchy sample and playlisting.

 

 

It has nothing to do with streaming. What was shocking 10 years ago won't make people bat an eye now, think about Miley Cyrus' Bangerz era, it was such a huge pop culture moment because of her "controversial" antics, if that happened today nobody would care about it. What can shock people nowadays?

 

10 years ago there were feuds, relationships drama, desperate tactics, so many gimmicks. Now, less is more is the thing, less desperate, unbothered, no effort, female independence, girl power. 

 

Plus, as others said, interests have shifted and newer pop girls don't appeal to some of you simply because their target (Gen Z) cares about different things compared to millennials. Most of them don't really care about gimmicks, the kind of music/artists/celebrities they like are:

 

- relatable/alternative (Olivia, Billie, SZA)

- quirky (Doja, Emma Chamberlain)

- cool (Dua, Ariana, Rihanna, Zendaya, Bella Hadid, Alexa Demie) 

[Lady Claire]

Ikr? I was thinking about that the other day.

 

The Gen Z girls are boooring with the lowercase-titled-bedroom-pop songs for the tumblr crowd... and the new pop girls aren't as exciting. I don't think Dua and Doja will last. Dua is not a big celebrity and will fade when she stops getting hits, Doja is a ******* mess and it's a matter of time for people to effectively turn against her, Normani doesn't even release anything

 

I've been waiting for someone who's has a Gaga, Beyoncé, Britney type of impact. Seems like everyone is just disposable nowadays. And like many replies said, maybe streaming had a hand on this.

[Katamari]

51 minutes ago, Planet Mars said:

Because we're getting older. The older you get the less receptive you are to new music. These girls having shorter threads has more to do with the age disparity on ATRL, alot of us are in our middle/later 20's and above.

 

On the Datalounge, which is full of mostly gay baby boomers they have lengthy threads routinely about Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross, Cher and Better etc. They can discuss Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Mariah to an extent but they have a distinct lack of interest that I've noticed with the millennial girls (Beyoncé, Britney, Christina etc.) in fact they drag them routinely so...

 

It's an age thing.

  all of the tea in here :clap3: 

[Mohit]

Because the 90s kids are pushing 40s now and they think that pop culture of today is meant for them. No grandma its meant for the kids born after 2005. Lets get u to bed now. 

 

[anklebiterrs]

The new generation has to come across as rElAtAbLe so their music and image are toned down.

[anklebiterrs]

4 minutes ago, ariananext said:

It has nothing to do with streaming. What was shocking 10 years ago won't make people bat an eye now, think about Miley Cyrus' Bangerz era, it was such a huge pop culture moment because of her "controversial" antics, if that happened today nobody would care about it. What can shock people nowadays?

 

10 years ago there were feuds, relationships drama, desperate tactics, so many gimmicks. Now, less is more is the thing, less desperate, unbothered, no effort, female independence, girl power. 

 

Plus, as others said, interests have shifted and newer pop girls don't appeal to some of you simply because their target (Gen Z) cares about different things compared to millennials. Most of them don't really care about gimmicks, the kind of music/artists/celebrities they like are:

 

- relatable/alternative (Olivia, Billie, SZA)

- quirky (Doja, Emma Chamberlain)

- cool (Dua, Ariana, Rihanna, Zendaya, Bella Hadid, Alexa Demie) 

Lil Nas X is still “shocking” especially to conservatives and still a big mainstream artist. 

[Lady Claire]

And i don't think age is a matter this time lbr. When we look at the veteran pop girls we saw how hard they tried to make it, on their performances, videos, overall impact... it's not even comparable to the ones now

 

I totally think ATRL in general would support a huge pop girl and would notice a similar impact if we had one.

 

But yeah, maybe the interests in general towards pop music changed and we were left behind

[Josh]

5 minutes ago, Lady Claire said:

And i don't think age is a matter this time lbr. When we look at the veteran pop girls we saw how hard they tried to make it, on their performances, videos, overall impact... it's not even comparable to the ones now

 

I totally think ATRL in general would support a huge pop girl and would notice a similar impact if we had one.

 

But yeah, maybe the interests in general towards pop music changed and we were left behind

do you think this shift in the music industry in the West is why a lot of stans are shifting to KPop? 

[BOOMBAYAH]

Streaming (Songs deliberately being shortened/losing formerly essentially parts such as a bridge)

Youth Culture (Young people do not really care as much about polished choreography/a "polished" show as they use to, not that this is inherently a bad thing because I feel like they want something less "structured" - see how Travis Scott concerts are just people jumping around crazy and really feeling the music)

Pop Music Isn't #1 (Hip-hop dominates, most pop lead singles have a rap feature and a lot of singles have a rap feature, traditional "pop" does not have nearly as much demand as it use to, so naturally pop stars also don't have the overwhelming pressure they had back in the 00s/early 10s)

[Wicked]

What you found exciting 10 years ago, Gen Z doesn't care about... 

 

 

[Josh]

1 minute ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

Streaming (Songs deliberately being shortened/losing formerly essentially parts such as a bridge)

Youth Culture (Young people do not really care as much about polished choreography/a "polished" show as they use to, not that this is inherently a bad thing because I feel like they want something less "structured" - see how Travis Scott concerts are just people jumping around crazy and really feeling the music)

Pop Music Isn't #1 (Hip-hop dominates, most pop lead singles have a rap feature and a lot of singles have a rap feature, traditional "pop" does not have nearly as much demand as it use to, so naturally pop stars also don't have the overwhelming pressure they had back in the 00s/early 10s)

but even the hip hop girls are boring they're all wannabe Cardi B or oversexualized

[ariananext]

7 minutes ago, anklebiterrs said:

Lil Nas X is still “shocking” especially to conservatives and still a big mainstream artist. 

Men and women can not be compared here, women were always held to a higher standard in pop music, they were always told they needed to do a lot to gain people's attention, while men were able to do what they wanted. On one hand that pushed women artistically, visually, on the other it allowed men to be overly safe with their music and now whenever they do the tiniest thing it is seen as risky (es. Harry Styles being seen as a queer icon, it wouldn't happen if it was a woman with the same behavior/style). Now that women are able to choose what they want to do with their careers (most of the times) they can choose to be as they want without having to do more.

 

Lil Nas X is an exception, satanism is indeed still controversial right now but it doesn't really hit his core audience, it's shocking to conservatives that aren't his target. I think we're all pretty sure he isn't linked to satan or something and that he's just doing it just because, which is fine, but not everybody has to do the most extreme thing for the sake of being controversial/shocking.

[On The Bound]

The Gen Z girls don't want to put up with pop star bs anymore...bitter gays can complain that the new girls aren't "serving" when in reality it's much easier to earn success in the streaming era without doing high-budget music videos, extensive visuals, performances, etc. Being a "pop star" is ******* exhausting and I'm not surprised the new girls don't wanna do it if they don't need to. Why go to all the effort to make a bunch of visuals, do performances, give full eras, etc. when you can just invest in TikTok promo/playlisting? The 2000s idea of a popstar is dead because it's just not necessary anymore. Idk. Just my take. 

[Josh]

6 minutes ago, On The Bound said:

The Gen Z girls don't want to put up with pop star bs anymore...bitter gays can complain that the new girls aren't "serving" when in reality it's much easier to earn success in the streaming era without doing high-budget music videos, extensive visuals, performances, etc. Being a "pop star" is ******* exhausting and I'm not surprised the new girls don't wanna do it if they don't need to. Why go to all the effort to make a bunch of visuals, do performances, give full eras, etc. when you can just invest in TikTok promo/playlisting? The 2000s idea of a popstar is dead because it's just not necessary anymore. Idk. Just my take. 

so they're lazy then? 

[Virgos Groove]

1 hour ago, halcyonday said:

Were the boomers calling Rihanna, Gaga, Katy, Ari etc boring?

No, they were calling them the death of pop music. Pop girls were NOT respected in the early-2010s.   The same thing hapenned with Britney and Xtina in the 00s, Mariah and Celine in the 90s, Madonna and Janet in the 80s, The Beatles in the 60s, etc. Old people have been yelling at clouds since the dawn of time.

[Freakshowvato]

Pop stars barely exist anymore, the closest we got to one is Dua Lipa lmao…. 

[Freakshowvato]

1 hour ago, On The Bound said:

The Gen Z girls don't want to put up with pop star bs anymore...bitter gays can complain that the new girls aren't "serving" when in reality it's much easier to earn success in the streaming era without doing high-budget music videos, extensive visuals, performances, etc. Being a "pop star" is ******* exhausting and I'm not surprised the new girls don't wanna do it if they don't need to. Why go to all the effort to make a bunch of visuals, do performances, give full eras, etc. when you can just invest in TikTok promo/playlisting? The 2000s idea of a popstar is dead because it's just not necessary anymore. Idk. Just my take. 

This

[Death & Decay]

The music industry was so different 20 years ago. Back then you had to heavily promote your music to get a hit. These days you don’t really need to do much to get a hit thanks to streaming, TikTok, etc.

 

The music industry was so much more fun back in the day.

[KatyPrismSpirit]

i don't even want to listen to this anymore. you simply dont know what you got til its gone. mp3

 

Messy Celine, Mariah and Janet stan gays used to blare out the same stuff when Gaga, Katy, Rihanna and Kesha entered the scene. "Pop music is dead", "no real talent left" "no real singers" 

 

And the Madonna, Whitney and Mariah gays used to say the same stuff when even Britney and Christina used to enter the scene like: "No class acts" "No real talent"

 

Now the Gaga, Rihanna gays will say "These pop girls are boring" "Pop music so dead"

 

The thing with humans is that people just simply don't like change. In 20 years the same will happen again like...

 

Personally im very ambitious about acts like Dua, Doja, Rosalía and Billie. I don't believe Olivia will last that long but Future Nostalgia, El Mal Querer and WWAFA were amazing albums and instant pop classics. Better than Gaga, Katy's or Rihannas albums when they were all popping. Planet Her was an amazing moment as well with countless hits. And how are the new girls boring? Broaden your perspective like these are all amazing artists with very great music.

Edited August 1, 2022 by KatyPrismSpirit

[Dystopian]

award shows, music videos and tabloids are a nonevent now so there’s no use in putting effort into that stuff when all it takes is playlisting and a tiktok trend to get a hit.

[sourprint]

you find them boring because you're not part of their age group (they differ from one another though, i'd say dua, doja and even billie have older fans like 21+, olivia's music so far feels very teen-ish so if ur not one it's harder for u to enjoy i would say? and she's the youngest too). y'all need to stop complaining about their personalities or how boring they are, they are simply not meant for you to enjoy

 

i am 6 months younger than olivia and besides not being able to relate to every sour song (im a man) i still like her music bc i feel connected to her, we're basically the same age, lived similar childhoods... and like pop culture

[Armani?]

3 hours ago, Planet Mars said:

Because we're getting older. The older you get the less receptive you are to new music. These girls having shorter threads has more to do with the age disparity on ATRL, alot of us are in our middle/later 20's and above.

 

On the Datalounge, which is full of mostly gay baby boomers they have lengthy threads routinely about Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross, Cher and Better etc. They can discuss Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Mariah to an extent but they have a distinct lack of interest that I've noticed with the millennial girls (Beyoncé, Britney, Christina etc.) in fact they drag them routinely so...

 

It's an age thing.