charts discussion CSPC - Best selling artists to debut in the last 30 yeas

[Yuanyu]

 

[fentypark]

the fraudulence 

[sasashite]

Taylor soon to be the best selling female artist since Madonna 

[Rev8]

BTS

inb4 Drake gets in the list, even tho more than 50% of his album units are Streams

 

Chartmasters

[Jennifer]

That site is nonsense lol. It’s like how everyone considered Mediatraffic a real site for quite a long time. 
 

His site is good for data but the formulas are just nonsense. 

[gustavothehuman]

9 minutes ago, Jennifer said:

That site is nonsense lol. It’s like how everyone considered Mediatraffic a real site for quite a long time. 
 

His site is good for data but the formulas are just nonsense. 

CSPC are meant to reflect popularity, not actual sales, that's why some of the numbers don't make sense. If we remove the "Orphan" album BTS loses over 10M in sales, the likes of Drake and Rihanna 30M or more.

[ninasayers]

5 minutes ago, gustavothehuman said:

CSPC are meant to reflect popularity, not actual sales, that's why some of the numbers don't make sense. If we remove the "Orphan" album BTS loses over 10M in sales, the likes of Drake and Rihanna 30M or more.

Rihanna would lose less than 15 million (out of 102 million) if we removed the orphan and features categories, not 30  

[WildHeart]

So if Taylor moves 70M units in the next 10 years (which is only 7M units yearly), her career will end similar to Eminem's current career after 25 years and she is moving +1M units monthly 

[HeWolf]

Not BTS selling more than Adele   

[Katy V.!]

I dont feel comfortable with BTS almost surpassing Coldplay already. Despite their fraudulence they are indeed massive but COLDPLAY MASSIVE? 

[Green]

BTS 

 

They are not even the biggest boyband of the last 30 years

[gustavothehuman]

1 hour ago, Katy V.! said:

I dont feel comfortable with BTS almost surpassing Coldplay already. Despite their fraudulence they are indeed massive but COLDPLAY MASSIVE? 

Culturally speaking they'll never be Coldplay massive and that's what matters in the long run 

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Though I do agree BTS are huge even if we take out the fraudulence, they opened the door for South Korean acts and that's an iconic achievement on its own right 

Edited August 1, 2022 by gustavothehuman

[gustavothehuman]

2 hours ago, ninasayers said:

Rihanna would lose less than 15 million (out of 102 million) if we removed the orphan and features categories, not 30  

I said "the likes" because I forgot the exact numbers nnnnnn. Sorry!

Just checked his page and Drake loses 25 million 

[Eternium]

2 hours ago, Katy V.! said:

I dont feel comfortable with BTS almost surpassing Coldplay already. Despite their fraudulence they are indeed massive but COLDPLAY MASSIVE? 

BTS are significantly bigger than Coldplay. Coldplay are C-listers in my country (the U.S.) and do worse in Asia. If it wasn’t for Europe’s flop ass, we would have never had to suffer through their U2 tribute.

39 minutes ago, gustavothehuman said:

Culturally speaking they'll never be Coldplay massive and that's what matters in the long run 

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Though I do agree BTS are huge even if we take out the fraudulence, they opened the door for South Korean acts and that's an iconic achievement on its own right 

BTS are way more significant culturally than Coldplay ever were. And BTS are not the act who popularized K-pop - ultimately Girls’ Generation is responsible.

[Protocol]

Britney is higher than BTS though...

[Protocol]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

BTS are significantly bigger than Coldplay. Coldplay are C-listers in my country (the U.S.) and do worse in Asia. If it wasn’t for Europe’s flop ass, we would have never had to suffer through their U2 tribute.

BTS are way more significant culturally than Coldplay ever were. And BTS are not the act who popularized K-pop - ultimately Girls’ Generation is responsible.

Lmao this is so delusional. BTS has an insane fanbase that buys their albums and singles multiple times (like, over 20 times in a lot of cases) which is why they've been able to rise so quickly on this ranking.

 

In terms of globally known and beloved hits they are NOWHERE near Coldplay and will never be. Their biggest smash "Dynamite" was utterly mediocre and came and went very quickly, will never be a classic. Coldplay is currently on what will end up being one of the biggest tours ever and they're 22 years into their career. Will BTS be able to have a record breaking stadium tour in 2035?

[Protocol]

1 hour ago, gustavothehuman said:

Culturally speaking they'll never be Coldplay massive and that's what matters in the long run 

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Though I do agree BTS are huge even if we take out the fraudulence, they opened the door for South Korean acts and that's an iconic achievement on its own right 

PSY opened the door for South Korean acts, not BTS. The American investment in BTS (it took millions to break them globally) would not have happened if PSY hadn't shown a South Korean K-pop hit could happen globally first.

[gustavothehuman]

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

BTS are significantly bigger than Coldplay. Coldplay are C-listers in my country (the U.S.) and do worse in Asia. If it wasn’t for Europe’s flop ass, we would have never had to suffer through their U2 tribute.

BTS are way more significant culturally than Coldplay ever were. And BTS are not the act who popularized K-pop - ultimately Girls’ Generation is responsible.

Coldplay sold 20 million pure albums in the US, that's more than Rihanna, Lady Gaga and 1 million less than Beyoncé. Viva la Vida is eligible for Diamond too and they had two albums debuting with +700k units in the country. Learn to troll better please 

 

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And yes, they really are the kings of Europe, thank you for the reminder 

1 hour ago, Protocol said:

PSY opened the door for South Korean acts, not BTS. The American investment in BTS (it took millions to break them globally) would not have happened if PSY hadn't shown a South Korean K-pop hit could happen globally first.

Perhaps I worded this too poorly, while Girls Generation and PSY definitely contributed, I feel like BTS was the culmination of k-pop going truly global instead of some specific moments here and there 

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by gustavothehuman

[trainsskyscrapers]

Beyoncé   90,010,000   #61 All-Time

DC            50,167,000    #108 All-Time

 

What a remarkable career (birthed in the last 30 years) that is far from finished. 

 

[Rev8]

5 hours ago, Kozy said:

what is this logic? it’s 2022, the public only STREAMS music, no one except a couple of gays buys albums anymore like…

Did I argue that streams should be excluded from their formula altogether? No

I said that they have too much power in it

 

10 years down the line when they are +10x bigger than they are now, we will probably see acts that are bigger than Madonna and MJ or whatever - thanks to streaming alone

which is insanely delusional

[Cloröx]

2 hours ago, Rev8 said:

Did I argue that streams should be excluded from their formula altogether? No

I said that they have too much power in it

 

10 years down the line when they are +10x bigger than they are now, we will probably see acts that are bigger than Madonna and MJ or whatever - thanks to streaming alone

which is insanely delusional

Streaming makes the music more accessible, you don't need to go to music shop buy CDs like before, it's basically at our fingertip + growing number of population. Stop being denial granny!

[Rev8]

5 hours ago, Cloröx said:

Streaming makes the music more accessible, you don't need to go to music shop buy CDs like before, it's basically at our fingertip + growing number of population. Stop being denial granny!

Not going to argue with someone who is totally missing the point and is coming to troll

Bye!

 

3 hours ago, Kozy said:

if they pass MJ and Madonna, they’re simply bigger

 

No one is stopping people from streaming old acts
 

If anything, acts that were truly big back in the day are still able to outstream modern acts 

But that's if you believe Chartmasters

that's why I am arguing with their formula

every site/publication has it's flaws and they aren't an exception
(and it's sad how a lot will just see me as criticizing that streaming shouldn't even be included, which I am not even talking about I know it's the new meta duuh) ((am literally stanning streaming acts, how am I going to be discrediting by own favs))

 

streaming will be going bigger and bigger

in the future, there will be an artist who with 1 era will get (according to the CSPC formula) 20m and it probably wouldn't be even top 3 that year

which isn't at all logical

I am pretty sure that Dua Lipa's 2 albums will probably reach (or even pass) Gaga's TF/M or even Adele's 2 big albums, and sorry but they don't rly feel as big as those later ones

but that is for sure to happen with the way the former are gaining..

Or even something that u can easily see coming...BTS soon hit 100m, the way their rapid fanbase is - they have a chance of surpassing even Taylor

won't be surprised if they reach MJ, just Then fans will start to discredit CM

just like what happened to Mediatraffic (and how CM is gaining on the same reputation)

 

and someone said that this just shows their overall popularity

that being said, Im not even talking about the fact that even tho album sales peaked at around 2000, they fell right after and totally disappeared (which leaves no room for growth) along with pirating peaking twice that decade

which just shows the unfairness of it all, but we can't really speak there because we would have to start talks about artists' sabotages and promo and discount and etc

and CM isn't about that

 

dunno if u understand my point

 

[Rev8]

test

[Rev8]

1 hour ago, Kozy said:

But Chartmasters weighs streaming pretty much the same as official organizations such as Billboard, RIAA, and IFPI?

 

The Dua passing TF/M example isn’t valid because it’s very likely that FN’s daily streams will keep falling, and you are ignoring the fact that old acts benefit from streaming too. TF/M still gains 3M daily streams. The gap between both albums is 4M daily streams and it will keep decreasing. Also Dua is an outlier here because of her massive fraud lbr. 

 

Sour, the biggest album of 2021, spent a year in the top 10 and it isn’t even past 10M units after over a year, so I’m failing to see how an album that isn’t in the top 3 of the year will do 20M units.

 

Like I’m sure people thought that Ariana/Drake/Post Malone albums would pass massive digital era albums like 1989 and TD in overall units but eventually they all fell below the latter in daily streams, which meant that 1989 and TD would keep increasing the gap.

my whole ******* argument got deleted because of this shitty eerror. TWICE

open 1 thread, error eror eror eror, even right after i click refresh. wtf is wrong with the forum

**** this shitty server

why tf did they even delete the threads

changed nothing, it got ******* worse

what is the owner even thinking ffs

 

 

ot; good for ******* them

 

[KKCuteCat]

When you think of the fact that BTS is selling everyone in the last 30 years except for Eminem and Taylor, you could really see this formular needs to be fixed. Like how?