Trash Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, nathanspears said: Elton's website says it's limited to 4 per customer so they must be assuming fans will buy multiple copies? Yeah, i read somewhere that 4 sales can count per credit card for the charts, idk i could be mistaken, idk about the point system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donquizote Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Global Spotify Artist: Britney #110 (-2) US Spotify Artist: Britney #127 (-6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erreur2 La Nature Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 A top 10 would be amazing but #12 is already very good It makes no sense to me how actual sales are less and less valuable to Billboard though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodflowers. Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 I hope the music video will be as colorful and pretty as Cold Heart music video! My 2 year old nephew loves that video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanspears Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, Bloodflowers. said: I hope the music video will be as colorful and pretty as Cold Heart music video! My 2 year old nephew loves that video! I imagine a full-on 70s disco vibe with Taron as Elton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 5 hours ago, BradySpears said: Digital single now available on Elton’s website!!! https://us-store.eltonjohn.com/?utm_source=Website&utm_campaign=EltonJohn20200422&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=&utm_referrer=&utm_board=virgin-emi-records-uk&utm_country=GB&utm_linkurl=EltonJohn.lnk.to%2FEltonJohnStore Great. I'll purchase 3 hours ago, TrieLz said: I think only physical single copies that allows up to 4 time purchase at once. Billboard changes the rules this year to stop mass buying for digital single purchase, only 1 digital copy from one account. so we can buy 1 digital copy in each different store (iTunes, Amazon, Elton’s webstore, etc) This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, Erreur2 La Nature said: A top 10 would be amazing but #12 is already very good It makes no sense to me how actual sales are less and less valuable to Billboard though. It DOES make sense. sales are the weakest consumption outside of rabid fans. The top percentage goes to streaming the strongest consumption of music then radio which is still stronger than sales. Sales trail as they should. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystery Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Do we have the radio update? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanspears Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, slw84 said: It DOES make sense. sales are the weakest consumption outside of rabid fans. The top percentage goes to streaming the strongest consumption of music then radio which is still stronger than sales. Sales trail as they should. Right is right and wrong is wrong. But streaming, especially on Spotify, relies too much on playlists It sucks for smaller artists whose only chance of charting is by going viral somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flawfree Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, slw84 said: It DOES make sense. sales are the weakest consumption outside of rabid fans. The top percentage goes to streaming the strongest consumption of music then radio which is still stronger than sales. Sales trail as they should. Right is right and wrong is wrong. No, it doesn't. Sales means people putting actual effort to give their hard earned money away for something that they value. It's the highest form of success that a song can achieve. It requires nothing to click play and listen for free. Just like it requires nothing to like a post on Facebook or retweet something on Twitter. That's why the value is zero. But it takes all the effort in the world to convince someone to part with their money which they traded time and labor to earn. That's them saying that they value your music more than their work. Sales should ALWAYS be the top contender in measuring how big a song is. If it's only fan-driven then it will only last a couple of weeks. The same group people can't afford to keep a song afloat for months. It requires participation from the GP to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donquizote Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Global #38 (-8) 1,842,785 USA #29 (-8) 499,708 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donquizote Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 UK #25 (+1) 134,466 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystery Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Partial: 86,184 Day 1: 3,133,797 Day 2: 2,448,600 Day 3: 1,769,973 Day 4: 1,959,035 Day 5: 1,842,785 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanspears Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Donquizote said: UK #25 (+1) 134,466 2 minutes ago, Donquizote said: Global #38 (-8) 1,842,785 USA #29 (-8) 499,708 Not terrible but it REALLY needs to be put on Todays Top Hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystery Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Probably did around 2m unfiltered today. It is relatively stable in streams but like other users said TTH would be a big help this Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erreur2 La Nature Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 The Spotify update is fine. It’s stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
°ColdFire° Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 POP: -- 27 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 2950 0 2950 12.502 +487 Spins +487 Bullet +1.575 Audience HOT AC: -- 20 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 1262 0 1262 5.488 +268 Spins +268 Bullet +0.849 Audience AC: -- 13 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 273 0 273 2.003 +52 Spins +52 Bullet +0.219 Audience HOT AC slaying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
°ColdFire° Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Midweek Charts Germany 26 (new) Hold Me Closer Germany Spotify #80 Hold Me Closer (+11) Hopefully it will stay at that position or even rise a couple of spots! I don't think it can reach top 20, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donquizote Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Apple Music US: #59 (-7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, Flawfree said: No, it doesn't. Sales means people putting actual effort to give their hard earned money away for something that they value. It's the highest form of success that a song can achieve. It requires nothing to click play and listen for free. Just like it requires nothing to like a post on Facebook or retweet something on Twitter. That's why the value is zero. But it takes all the effort in the world to convince someone to part with their money which they traded time and labor to earn. That's them saying that they value your music more than their work. Sales should ALWAYS be the top contender in measuring how big a song is. If it's only fan-driven then it will only last a couple of weeks. The same group people can't afford to keep a song afloat for months. It requires participation from the GP to do that. I wasn't asking a question... So I will cover it again. Streaming is the strongest consumption of music; therefore, it yields the highest percentage on the hot 100; radio is next in line. People hate on radio because they never listen to it but millions and millions of people still do listen to it. Sales are no longer the strongest form of consumption and are actually the weakest and that's reflected in it's percentage but also many artists need to game the system by tipping the scale to pretend that stans willing to buy something 4 times on 2 or more credit cards does not represent one obsessed fan; instead, represents total popularity. As Sales is the easiest to manipulate rules are in place to regulate it. If it were so strong then stans wouldn't have to use it in mass buying. Back in the digital domination mass buying wasn't an issue BECAUSE sales were the strongest form of consumption so other strategies (remixes, clean/explicit, waiting until the song peaks on radio and the artist does promo for a boost and hopeful peak etc.) I would love for every sale of HMC to count but i know some will be scrubbed disqualifying mass purchasing...and that's ok. Anyways, stream HMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, nathanspears said: But streaming, especially on Spotify, relies too much on playlists It sucks for smaller artists whose only chance of charting is by going viral somehow Fair but that's how it is now. Playlisting doesn't guarantee that people will like it enough to stream it entirely or multiple times. It's just like people being pushed for promotion but don't sell (Tori Kelly)...people still have to buy into it. Smaller artists always had to find other ways to get to the top and it does suck but it's reality. As much as I want every HMC sale to count i'm sure some will be scrubbed and that's Billboard regulating after watching many artist tip the scale over the past two years. Trust me, I WISH sales counted more just for this week only as it would benefit Britney but i understand why Billboard made their change. They scrub out mass streaming as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternium Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 hours ago, nathanspears said: Elton's website says it's limited to 4 per customer so they must be assuming fans will buy multiple copies? That’s exactly what I thought. The only thing I can come up with is maybe RIAA still counts 4 sales per transaction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flawfree Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, slw84 said: I wasn't asking a question... So I will cover it again. Streaming is the strongest consumption of music; therefore, it yields the highest percentage on the hot 100; radio is next in line. People hate on radio because they never listen to it but millions and millions of people still do listen to it. Sales are no longer the strongest form of consumption and are actually the weakest and that's reflected in it's percentage but also many artists need to game the system by tipping the scale to pretend that stans willing to buy something 4 times on 2 or more credit cards does not represent one obsessed fan; instead, represents total popularity. As Sales is the easiest to manipulate rules are in place to regulate it. If it were so strong then stans wouldn't have to use it in mass buying. Back in the digital domination mass buying wasn't an issue BECAUSE sales were the strongest form of consumption so other strategies (remixes, clean/explicit, waiting until the song peaks on radio and the artist does promo for a boost and hopeful peak etc.) I would love for every sale of HMC to count but i know some will be scrubbed disqualifying mass purchasing...and that's ok. Anyways, stream HMC I wasn't asking a question either...... Based on what you said, if streaming is the strongest then logically it should have the smallest component. The strength of the medium will still power results. It doesn't make any sense to make one component the strongest AND the biggest at the same time because then it unfairly tips the balance to only one side while neglecting the other two. Let's not even get into how ****ing easy it is for a small group of stans to make a playlist and use bots to inflate numbers to make it seem like their fave is more popular than they really are. Again, it takes no effort to manipulate because it's free and therefore there are no barriers. At this point why even call it the Billboard Charts? Just surrender to Spotify and let their charts dictate the top 100 songs each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, °ColdFire° said: POP: -- 27 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 2950 0 2950 12.502 +487 Spins +487 Bullet +1.575 Audience HOT AC: -- 20 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 1262 0 1262 5.488 +268 Spins +268 Bullet +0.849 Audience AC: -- 13 ELTON JOHN & BRITNEY SPEARS Hold Me Closer 273 0 273 2.003 +52 Spins +52 Bullet +0.219 Audience HOT AC slaying Glad she's getting Hot AC and AC support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathanspears Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 Apparently you can only buy 1 digital copy per card on Elton’s site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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