McNulty Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Dingdong123 said: Hmmm I’m not sure it applies to everyone. Downey has Sherlock Holmes Tom Holland just had Uncharted Scarlett has Lucy, Marriage Story Chris Pratt carried Jurassic World probably just for Hemsworth and Evans? Jurassic World and Uncharted would have made money anyway with any other actor in the lead. Holland has Cherry and Chaos Walking which both flopped Pratt has many misses and few hits tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Chris pratt is the exception since he has plenty of successful movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheers Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Tom Holland has the talent and personality to have a lasting career. His biggest issue is the choices in movies. He should have used his 20’s to do some cute romance-comedy-drama movies and build up to more serious films. He would do well in a Stranger Things/Umbrella Academy TV show too. I could see him in the next Jordan Peele film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigii Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, tiagol88 said: Top Gun ALONE grossed more than The Heat, Gravity, Ocean's 8... together. That's half the movies you listed Add another 1.5 billion from both those two mission impossible movies and you have close to 3b from 3 movies alone once Top Gun is done its course, lmao. And saying they are sequels as if that's a bad thing if those sequels were made is because people showed up to watch the previous movies. It's called demand. Let's also not forget Tom Cruise started a decade before Sandra and of course he has his flops but so does she...quite a lot actually. Every time she tries a sequel, they are usually flops... Tom Cruise is getting more than 100M from the box office for Top Gun....alone. no actor ever had these checks before I history. Sure we can agree that Top Gun is a phenomenon, but it is a proven IP just like Jurassic Park, Sherlock Holmes and every franchise that these stars do outside of marvel. The moment Tom cruise tries something original, the audience doesn’t follow especially the justify the legend budgets. If single one of Tom’s movies outside of Mission Impossible will not recoup budget or barely does. If you’re a studio, you rather Have Sandra than a Tom cruise type star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katamari Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 28 minutes ago, Smarticle said: serving Michael Fassbender outside of Xmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagol88 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gigii said: Sure we can agree that Top Gun is a phenomenon, but it is a proven IP just like Jurassic Park, Sherlock Holmes and every franchise that these stars do outside of marvel. The moment Tom cruise tries something original, the audience doesn’t follow especially the justify the legend budgets. If single one of Tom’s movies outside of Mission Impossible will not recoup budget or barely does. If you’re a studio, you rather Have Sandra than a Tom cruise type star. Top Gun isn't a "proven franchise" in any way. It was a standalone movie from the 80's that had a sequel 40 years later. Plenty of sequeles of these flop like hell. Let's not pretend like all movies that are sequels to successful movies released decades before are hits. The movie's original projections were like 40M opening weekend domestic...and it ended up with over 140M and is going to surpass even Titanic in less than a week. There was a lot of doubts about the movie originally. Juriassic Park had 2 or 3 movies released in a row back in the 90's before getting more movies only 15 years later. Sherlock Holmes is MUCH more known as a franchise than...Top Gun. Tom Cruise did War of the Worlds, The Last Samurai, Monority Report and plenty of big budgeted movies outside of Mission Impossible. Sandra Bullock's movies, as stated before are low budgeted movies, usually comedies or dramas. In no way Sandra Bullock could sell a huge action flick...imagine doing it alone on a poster like Tom does In fact...correct me if i'm wrong...but Sandra Bullock never managed a successful IP. She tried it 2 times and both flopped: Speed 2 and Miss Congeniality 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 The OP has the audacity to drag the Marvel actors for that when his fave is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sazare Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Cheers said: Tom Holland has the talent Not as an actor, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheers Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Sazare said: Not as an actor, lol Um he definitely is lmfao. The whole "i'm quirky, adorable, and omg i'm going to spoil everything uwu~~~" is proof of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anye Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 But they were also the one who kisses MCU ass years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMX Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 A lot Marvel actors have had success outside the franchise. Newbie Holland recently got one with Uncharted. Cruise get one real hit outside the MI franchise, and they write this. He’s nostalgia and franchise actor. He is not Leonardo. He hasn’t made a original project a hit in decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) Some of y’all are really given too much credit to Chris Pratt first of all what movies became massively successful for his star power outside of mcu? As far as I know he is stuck doing amazon prime originals only. Jurassic world we’re going to be massively successful with or without chris Pratt in it. The true star are the dinosaurs for those movies anyway. Nobody watches those movies to see chris Pratt. tom cruise has been flopping/underperforming for the past 10 years now with the exception of mission impossible movies and recently top gun. Should remind you that the mummy was a massive flop it was meant to quick start the monster universe from universal but it’s massive underperformance made the company start over from scratch. There is a reason they never made another mummy movie with Tom cruise in it. Now universal is going to use “The Invisible man” the quick start the new monster universe IP with a new Dracula movie, Frankenstein, and wolf man films. Edited July 24, 2022 by Happylittlepunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharapov Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gigii said: Sure we can agree that Top Gun is a phenomenon, but it is a proven IP just like Jurassic Park, Sherlock Holmes and every franchise that these stars do outside of marvel. The moment Tom cruise tries something original, the audience doesn’t follow especially the justify the legend budgets. If single one of Tom’s movies outside of Mission Impossible will not recoup budget or barely does. If you’re a studio, you rather Have Sandra than a Tom cruise type star. not when sandra has 1 of the biggest FLOPS this century 'our brand is crisis', tom would absolutely never bomb like that and call me when sandra's mediocre catered for soccer mom's ass has a movie like magnolia or eyes wide shut Edited July 24, 2022 by Sharapov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigii Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Sharapov said: not when sandra has 1 of the biggest FLOPS this century 'our brand is crisis', tom would absolutely never bomb like that and call me when sandra's mediocre catered for soccer mom's ass has a movie like magnolia or eyes wide shut Compared to budget, most of his films were flops. When was the last time he starred in a film that didn’t require actions scenes where he did his own stunts? Of those films, how many made back budget, what were the domestic gross? Tom cruise is a popular celebrity and has the mission impossible series, but the same could be said about Vin Deisel and the high grossing worldwide totals of fast and the furious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D/X Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 (edited) This is not a Marvel/superheroes' fault... entirely. There are simply no Hollywood stars anymore, and neither studios nor the GP care. That's it. And that era ended like 10 years ago. For sure there are still the big name like Julia, Leo, Cruise, etc. who are still household names, but new stars simply don't exist. Hollywood has been IP-driven for the past decade and more, and the GP and studios seem pretty happy with that. Perhaps in the future it may return to star-driven industry but I don't see it in the middle term even. Not when IPs, adaptations, universes, etc. exist and that's what people are consuming. Edited July 24, 2022 by D/X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loghen Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Quote an interchangeable array of Chrises What a line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HASHTAGPOW Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 We have to agree. Not everyone is Rachel McAdams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy V.! Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 Yeah. People need to let box offfice draws go. We're in IPs era. It's not going to happen again, we won't have another Julia Roberts or another Tom Cruise. Hollywood needs to accept that fact and stop pouring money on it. The fact that they have Chris Pratt as the absolute example with GOTG/Jurassic and refuse to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Volcanoes Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 they're right i literally tried recalling what movies chris hemsworth has been in other than avengers/thor and i could only remember that one snow white movie with kristen stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teen Spirit Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 11:59 AM, Sharapov said: the mummy made +400m the new matrix one made 150m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tms Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 who the hell has that kinda star power these days anyways. mcu isn't making stars but rather they're good at finding what actors are good at within their universe. the other stuff outside mcu... you're kinda on your own. if you come in with talent you'll be fine outside of it... but no one is really that classic butts in seat kinda movie star anymore anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est. in 90s Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 On 7/23/2022 at 10:56 AM, Donquizote said: They dont lie. Most of them have no star power outside of Marvel movies. Basically. OT: Tom Cruise MCU actors are NAWT! And folks had the nerve to call Timothee Chalalony pretentious because he shared the story of an older actor he admired that warned against him joining superhero franchises. They're good for financial security but not if you're striving to be a critically acclaimed actor with critically accliamed projects to boot. Once those movies are done, so is the actor. The only ones that can turn out a profit are ones that had a notable acting career prior to joining like Cumberbatch, Michael Douglas, etc. Ones like Tom Holland who joined at the start of their acting career with very little work prior or were faceless before joining the MCU are the ones that are in danger of their career following this flop-like path. MCU doesn't make movie stars, the superheroes they're playing are the stars and it shows because when the costume comes off and it's time to show those acting chops, those (box office) numbers hit quite differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaunzie Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Lets be honest, securing a bag in Marvel literally means you will be booked and busy until they either retcon everything in a crisis event or you decide to leave the franchise. Literally Marvel and DC has more than enough material to keep the masses hooked for years.even decades. The only way for this trend to end is if they pull the plug and that is never gonna happen, cause all Disney sees are fans to squeeze capital out of. Another thing is despite the weird overwhelming number of Chrisi, the cast isn't faceless, since thanks to this franchise, you literally can't separate the characters from the actors. Tom Holland just keeps trying the worst roles for himself, he is far more of a boy next door actor than one made for the action hero role. Personally, I think they should be directing this ending toward the biopic epidemic that we are about to enter since it seems that Hollywood has been severely lacking in original ideas lately and picking reliable box office gold (Biopics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentine Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 The same could be said about Michael Fassbender. Literally a no one outside his Magneto roles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prézli Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Funny that MCU killed the two most diverse actors Robert Downey Jr. and Scarlett Johansson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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