Shelter Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 It’s true. Robert Downey is so overrated. Has he even got a lead movie that smashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canyonmoon Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Both Scarlett Johansson (Lucy) and Tom Holland (Uncharted) have led films that have made more than $100M domestic and $400M WW. The overall point stands though. The age of the movie star is largely over, and most Marvel actors certainly aren’t up for carrying the mantle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFD Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Why should the MCU be in charge of producing mega stars in the first place? Their casting has remained solid over the years, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Tears Ricochet Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Yes, drag them all We haven't had a real movie star since JLaw sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blewis1103 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 It's not just a Marvel problem, though. Hollywood has transitioned away from the movie star model and has gone all-in on IP. Of course, that leaves actors little room for actors to cultivate a persona the way that Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, etc. did before the 2000s. The problem for Hollywood is that there's only so much IP they can adapt before there's either nothing left, or people get sick of it. Then, they're kind of assed out. I think one thing that Hollywood is experimenting with is Hollywood biopics, where they cast current stars as older "golden age Hollywood" stars to kind of adapt the mystique for the modern era. Ana de Armas is playing Marilyn Monroe, Tom Holland is playing Fred Astaire, Chris Evans is doing Gene Kelly, and the list goes on. (I wrote about in depth here.) I don't know if it'll work (we'll see if Blonde plays well and Ana gets the Oscar nomination everyone is expecting, but I think Hollywood is realizing that their current model is unsustainable and they need something, or true-blue movie stars, to get people to return to theaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 The "butts in seats" household names in acting are LONG gone. It's not just the superhero movies, no one is a consistent draw Also, superhero movies are, sadly, the only genre that reliably gets people to go to a theatre anyway. The highest grossing movies of 2021 were mainly superhero movies, franchises, Disney stuff and low-tier thrillers. The only outlier was a lame comedy starring Ryan Reynolds and The Rock, who also owe their popularity to superhero movies and franchises. There isn't a single drama or social film or romance or historical... Nothing of the sort that a capable actor would shine in. So, it's not just a matter of MCU actors flopping outside of superhero flicks. It's a matter of almost everyone flopping outside of superhero flicks And btw, the less we praise Tom Cruise's star power the better. For several reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive Chanteuse Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Scarlet & RDJ can still sell movies I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlepunk Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, Truth Teller said: The "butts in seats" household names in acting are LONG gone. It's not just the superhero movies, no one is a consistent draw Also, superhero movies are, sadly, the only genre that reliably gets people to go to a theatre anyway. The highest grossing movies of 2021 were mainly superhero movies, franchises, Disney stuff and low-tier thrillers. The only outlier was a lame comedy starring Ryan Reynolds and The Rock, who also owe their popularity to superhero movies and franchises. There isn't a single drama or social film or romance or historical... Nothing of the sort that a capable actor would shine in. So, it's not just a matter of MCU actors flopping outside of superhero flicks. It's a matter of almost everyone flopping outside of superhero flicks And btw, the less we praise Tom Cruise's star power the better. For several reasons. Didn’t Gaga Gucci did very well for a movie within the drama genre back in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 They don’t lack star power. It’s versatility. MCU is too big and they end up being in 10 movies so people only see or care about them as their marvel hero. Chris Evans has had a successful acting career though so I don’t get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said: Didn’t Gaga Gucci did very well for a movie within the drama genre back in 2021. Apparently not well enough to be in the top 20. Without the big names attached, it would probably not get distribution at all and end up on Hulu or Amazon. Just like Scorsese was refused distribution for The Irishman and had to go to Netflix - and have 80% of viewers stop watching the movie half way through anyway. None of those people would have gone to the theatre to watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingdong123 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Hmmm I’m not sure it applies to everyone. Downey has Sherlock Holmes Tom Holland just had Uncharted Scarlett has Lucy, Marriage Story Chris Pratt carried Jurassic World probably just for Hemsworth and Evans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagol88 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 4 hours ago, Dark Miracles said: It's true but let's not act like Tom Cruise is the end all be all of movie stars when I'm pretty sure he's had several box office bombs in the past 10 years, The Mummy remake was just a few years ago after all. Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock are much more impressive box office stars IMO Mission impossible alone is bigger than anything those two ever did .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrahamjmr Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Are they really praising Tom as if he didn't flop with some of his movies before Top Gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Jacobs Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Except for scarlett obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrahamjmr Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 51 minutes ago, tiagol88 said: Mission impossible alone is bigger than anything those two ever did .. That doesn't make what that user said any less true. If we compare their movies during last and this decade, here is what we get: Sandra Bullock: The Heat: $227M ($43M budget) Gravity: $723M ($100M) Minions: $1,159M ($74M) Our Brand Is Crisis: $8 ($28M) Ocean's 8: $298M ($90M) Bird Box went viral, is one of the most watched movies on Netflix ever. The Unforgivable is a Netflix movie. The Lost City: $190M ($68M) Tom Cruise: Oblivion: $288M ($120M) Edge of Tomorrow: $370.5M ($178M) Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation: $682M ($150M) Jack Reacher: Never Go Back: $162.1M ($65M) The Mummy: $410M ($195M) American Made: $134M ($50M) Mission: Impossible - Fallout: $791M ($178M) Top Gun: White People: $1,249M ($170M) Seems like all of Tom's projects that were smashes are all due to nostalgia, sequels and a huge flop like The Mummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagol88 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, abrahamjmr said: That doesn't make what that user said any less true. If we compare their movies during last and this decade, here is what we get: Sandra Bullock: The Heat: $227M ($43M budget) Gravity: $723M ($100M) Minions: $1,159M ($74M) Our Brand Is Crisis: $8 ($28M) Ocean's 8: $298M ($90M) Bird Box went viral, is one of the most watched movies on Netflix ever. The Unforgivable is a Netflix movie. The Lost City: $190M ($68M) Tom Cruise: Oblivion: $288M ($120M) Edge of Tomorrow: $370.5M ($178M) Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation: $682M ($150M) Jack Reacher: Never Go Back: $162.1M ($65M) The Mummy: $410M ($195M) American Made: $134M ($50M) Mission: Impossible - Fallout: $791M ($178M) Top Gun: White People: $1,249M ($170M) Seems like all of Tom's projects that were smashes are all due to nostalgia, sequels and a huge flop like The Mummy. Top Gun ALONE grossed more than The Heat, Gravity, Ocean's 8... together. That's half the movies you listed Add another 1.5 billion from both those two mission impossible movies and you have close to 3b from 3 movies alone once Top Gun is done its course, lmao. And saying they are sequels as if that's a bad thing if those sequels were made is because people showed up to watch the previous movies. It's called demand. Let's also not forget Tom Cruise started a decade before Sandra and of course he has his flops but so does she...quite a lot actually. Every time she tries a sequel, they are usually flops... Tom Cruise is getting more than 100M from the box office for Top Gun....alone. no actor ever had these checks before I history. Edited July 23, 2022 by tiagol88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe_ Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, tiagol88 said: Mission impossible alone is bigger than anything those two ever did .. Matrix changed the culture and Gravity has the awards to back up up the major box-office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Link Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) Not people here acting like lame comic book superhero movies is “all that’s left to do” now. It’s overall mediocrity and lack of taste plaguing movie goers what’s killing quality in movie theaters. If movie makers started pushing the box and doing interesting things again people would be willingly go back to see what they do (see Everything Everywhere All At Once). It’s all a regrettable vicious circle. Edited July 23, 2022 by Mr.Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagol88 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zoe_ said: Matrix changed the culture and Gravity has the awards to back up up the major box-office. Great. And Mission impossible isn't a meme 6 or 7 movies into the franchise unlike the Matrix after 4. Tom Cruise has Mission impossible (6 hit movies so far from one franchise), 2 Top Gun movies, Interview with the Vampire, Minority Report, The Last Samurai, War of the World's, Jerry Maguire, Vanilla Sky, etc etc. There's also one Mission impossible movie coming out per year for the next 2 years... wanna bet those will be hits as well? Tom Cruise is having box office movie hits since 1983. That's nearly 40 years ago. Like I'm not saying Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock suck or have a bad career... I'm just saying I really can't think of a single movie star that can sell big blockbuster movies for 4 decades like Tom Cruise including those two. It's not that they aren't box office draws... it's just that they can't reach his level, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imabadkid Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Wow... this MAY signal a turning point for Marvel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestHaven Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Haven’t critics been lashing Marvel for years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe_ Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 I think Chadwick Boseman was on his way to doing great things. he had a few films lined up prior to his death. Plus, he was truly a talented guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNulty Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 yeah they are all mediocre actors except a few of them who were established before like Scarlet and to a lesser extent RDJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarticle Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 serving Michael Fassbender outside of Xmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaso Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 hours ago, blewis1103 said: It's not just a Marvel problem, though. Hollywood has transitioned away from the movie star model and has gone all-in on IP. Of course, that leaves actors little room for actors to cultivate a persona the way that Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Julia Roberts, etc. did before the 2000s. The problem for Hollywood is that there's only so much IP they can adapt before there's either nothing left, or people get sick of it. Then, they're kind of assed out. I think one thing that Hollywood is experimenting with is Hollywood biopics, where they cast current stars as older "golden age Hollywood" stars to kind of adapt the mystique for the modern era. Ana de Armas is playing Marilyn Monroe, Tom Holland is playing Fred Astaire, Chris Evans is doing Gene Kelly, and the list goes on. (I wrote about in depth here.) I don't know if it'll work (we'll see if Blonde plays well and Ana gets the Oscar nomination everyone is expecting, but I think Hollywood is realizing that their current model is unsustainable and they need something, or true-blue movie stars, to get people to return to theaters. this it's kinda unfair to say this is only exclusive to marvel actors no one has star power now, even the rock fell off 90s and 00s had a lot of character-driven hits that relied on their stars to sells (even action films like minority report and man on fire) it's not like that with the current blockbusters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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