discussion US Presence in Indo-Pacific in 2023 will be "More Lethal, More Mobile, Most Transform

[SmittenCake]

22 hours ago, Communion said:

This shows the absurdity of anti-Chinese hysteria under the American lens because it is objectively absurd for a politician to make such a wild accusation without evidence that a foreign country is threatening to blow up a plane with US citizens on it (let alone sounding like a form of projection), but that you then can't vocalize how irresponsible this is of the US to do without then five people with a combined IQ of 12 running into your mentions going "tANKie!!!11". 

 so hurdles you jump through to defend the CCP while clutching pearls over the USA and Israel 

[Communion]

47 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

so hurdles you jump through to defend the CCP

I can't even tell what this is trying to say and that's before touching on the incoherent ramblings that suggest not wanting your politicians to lie about what would be war-triggering acts is in defense of foreign nations. 

 

Why are you, a non-America, telling an American that they can't criticize an American politician for involving themselves in a foreign issue through a wildly unfounded lie (it would literally just be better to say the US feared retaliatory economic action instead of making up a conspiracy over military attacks) while 3 months out from one of the most important elections of our lives? Do you think Nancy Pelosi is actually a Taiwanese politician? Girl she's a white American? 

[SmittenCake]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

involving themselves in a foreign issue through a wildly unfounded lie 

 

[Bosque]

How absurd for a country to think it can control where politicians of a completely unrelated country do or do not travel  I'm looking forward to Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi making a visit to another parliamentary democratic country which is a strong ally to the US  

[Communion]

26 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

 

I'm sorry to break it to you, bur even China Watchers know why Pelosi is personally invested in this issue:

 

 

 

 

Do you really think a rich American woman who grew up part of the 1% and is only an elected official because of her ability to fundraiser has some kind of altruistic and moral interest in some island thousands of mile away? Sis, it's always about the money. 

 

You think a country that can't even bring itself to formally recognize Taiwan as an independent nation is going to provoke a fight with the largest export economy in the world that most of its citizens rely on over a place largely irrelevant to the global world order? There's a reason why the most that has ever been achieved is a de-facto independence and it is because no one more powerful is invested enough to do otherwise. By all means, all people have a right to self-determination, but let's stop framing Nancy Pelosi as some altruistic human rights defender. She's checking up on her workers to make sure productivity doesn't go down.  Please stop letting your hatred for China, whether rightful or not, trick you into exalting corrupt American politicians to where you smear their rightful detractors. 

 

Pelosi is the Speaker of the House, set to lose 35+ seats in a few months. Hopefully she has time for things beside stocks and investments. 

 

Criticizing Pelosi's political theater, insider trading and constant corrupt =/= "sHiLlInG fOR thE sEa PEa pEE!PEE!! " 

 

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by Communion

[pierreleswiftie]

23 hours ago, Communion said:

This shows the absurdity of anti-Chinese hysteria under the American lens because it is objectively absurd for a politician to make such a wild accusation without evidence that a foreign country is threatening to blow up a plane with US citizens on it (let alone sounding like a form of projection), but that you then can't vocalize how irresponsible this is of the US to do without then five people with a combined IQ of 12 running into your mentions going "tANKie!!!11". 

Well last time Biden said Russia would invade Ukraine soon and look what happened.

[AlanRickman1946]

6 hours ago, pierreleswiftie said:

Well last time Biden said Russia would invade Ukraine soon and look what happened.

I dont think US would defend Taiwan the way they did Ukraine. They cannot afford disruptions to Taiwan.

[pierreleswiftie]

24 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

I dont think US would defend Taiwan the way they did Ukraine. They cannot afford disruptions to Taiwan.

They will. They signed the Taiwan relations act in 1979 which says that they have to provide defensive arms to Taiwan. Also they will sanction China. Plus the US are more present in the Taiwan than they were in Ukraine, they have stationed troops on the island and ships navigating Taiwan territorial waters (There 5 US military bases in the area). They maintain an ambiguity as a dissuasion method against China and to further prevent Taiwan to sign an act of independence. 

[AlanRickman1946]

22 minutes ago, pierreleswiftie said:

They will. They signed the Taiwan relations act in 1979 which says that they have to provide defensive arms to Taiwan. Also they will sanction China. Plus the US are more present in the Taiwan than they were in Ukraine, they have stationed troops on the island and ships navigating Taiwan territorial waters (There 5 US military bases in the area). They maintain an ambiguity as a dissuasion method against China and to further prevent Taiwan to sign an act of independence. 

Yeah but they also believe in the 1 China policy and do not support Taiwanese independence.

 

Nancy Pelosi is 3rd in command and owns stocks in chip companies in Taiwan. If Taiwan goes to war, those companies won't profit.

 

Plus the global supply chain would be crippled because everyone buys goods from China.

 

Even Europe has plenty of troops but they didn't come to Ukraine's aide very much. And they ended up begging Russia for oil.

 

Don't get me wrong- I believe Ukraine and Taiwan are sovereign countries but it'snotrealistic.gif

[pierreleswiftie]

18 minutes ago, AlanRickman1946 said:

Yeah but they also believe in the 1 China policy and do not support Taiwanese independence.

 

Nancy Pelosi is 3rd in command and owns stocks in chip companies in Taiwan. If Taiwan goes to war, those companies won't profit.

 

Plus the global supply chain would be crippled because everyone buys goods from China.

 

Even Europe has plenty of troops but they didn't come to Ukraine's aide very much. And they ended up begging Russia for oil.

 

Don't get me wrong- I believe Ukraine and Taiwan are sovereign countries but it'snotrealistic.gif

The US doesn't support china's will to annex Taiwan or any change of status quo. 

 

Europe didn't come to help because Ukraine is not part of Europe, also Putin had been using nuclear weapon to dissuade anyone from engaging in combat. 

 

Also this has not been the topic, Biden said that Nanci Pelosi's plane could be shot. If that happens the US will intervene.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attitude]

 

[AlanRickman1946]

2 hours ago, pierreleswiftie said:

The US doesn't support china's will to annex Taiwan or any change of status quo. 

 

Europe didn't come to help because Ukraine is not part of Europe, also Putin had been using nuclear weapon to dissuade anyone from engaging in combat. 

 

Also this has not been the topic, Biden said that Nanci Pelosi's plane could be shot. If that happens the US will intervene.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ukraine is part of Europe. Just not in the EU 

[arceus]

Bavaria next 

[AlanRickman1946]

 

 

[Specter]

Palestine next. 

 

And jfufhf girl NOT Mike Pompeo, hopefully he takes another plane because... 

[AlanRickman1946]

 

[GhostBox]

On 7/23/2022 at 4:54 PM, SmittenCake said:

 so hurdles you jump through to defend the CCP while clutching pearls over the USA and Israel 

Right ? it’s laughable at this point. This person seems to post more positive things defending Russia and China than he does any where else ?

[Archetype]

On 7/24/2022 at 1:31 AM, AlanRickman1946 said:

Yeah but they also believe in the 1 China policy and do not support Taiwanese independence.

The US is required to provide military assistance, not just aid and money, if Taiwan is to *ever* be invaded.  Of course, it can break this agreement, but it can also just as easily break the 1 China policy (which was BS to begin with).  1 China policy, at least in my eyes, was always going to be something temporary and will never last.

[Communion]

10 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Right ? it’s laughable at this point. This person seems to post more positive things defending Russia and China than he does any where else ?

I've never seen someone so eager to boast about their constant L's as defending America's politicians while living in the state with the lowest quality of life.  America has failed you. We don't need pro-US hot takes from West Virginia, sis!

 

It's honestly horrendous to peddle this "criticizing America is promoting America's enemies" Cold War nonsense against poor Americans, but even more-so for the person doing it to literally have their neighbors dying from abject poverty found typically only in the Global South. Your neighbors are literally dying because of politicians' indifference and yet you're in here stanning Pelosi for prioritizing meddling in foreign affairs while most of your state can't go see a dentist. Seek higher power. 

Edited July 30, 2022 by Communion

[Horizon Flame]

I cannot believe we have a poster supporting the CCP. I know this person is a communist, but this is ridiculous even for them. 

[rihannabiggestfan]

1 hour ago, Horizon Flame said:

I cannot believe we have a poster supporting the CCP. I know this person is a communist, but this is ridiculous even for them. 

Not you literally making things up

 

"Criticizing Pelosi's political theater, insider trading and constant corrupt =/= "sHiLlInG fOR thE sEa PEa pEE!PEE!!""

Edited July 30, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[AlanRickman1946]

 

 

[Bosque]

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Chinese President Xi Jinping underlined his position last week during a tense call with Joe Biden. “Those who play with fire will perish by it,” China’s foreign ministry quoted Xi as saying. “It is hoped that the U.S. will be clear-eyed about this.” China’s defense ministry has warned that the “Chinese military will never sit idly by” if Pelosi’s trip goes ahead.

Absolute mental illness. Europe and USA need to take steps to decouple economically from China before this turns into another Russia-Ukraine but 100x times worse. 

[AlanRickman1946]

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is expected to visit Taiwan as part of her tour of Asia, according to a senior Taiwanese government official and a US official, despite warnings from Biden administration officials, who are worried about China's response to such a high-profile visit.

 

The stop -- the first for a US House speaker in 25 years -- is not currently on Pelosi's public itinerary and comes at a time when US-China relations are already at a low point.

 

The Taiwanese official added that she is expected to stay in Taiwan overnight. It is unclear when exactly Pelosi will land in Taipei.

 

The US official added that Defense Department officials are working around the clock on monitoring any Chinese movements in the region and securing a plan to keep her safe.

 

 

 

National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby said Monday that the Biden administration will support Pelosi on a trip to Taiwan.

"We want to make sure that when she travels overseas, she can do so safely and securely and we're going to make sure of that. There is no reason for the Chinese rhetoric. There is no reason for any actions to be taken. It is not uncommon for congressional leaders to travel to Taiwan," Kirby told CNN's Brianna Keilar on "New Day."

"We shouldn't be as a country -- we shouldn't be intimidated by that rhetoric or those potential actions. This is an important trip for the speaker to be on and we're going to do whatever we can to support her," Kirby continued.

Asked if the US was prepared for fallout with China over the visit, Kirby said that "there is no change to our policy. No change to our focus on trying to keep a free and safe and open Indo-Pacific."

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/01/politics/nancy-pelosi-taiwan-visit/index.html

Edited August 1, 2022 by AlanRickman1946

[Lost In Paradise]

she should be landing in about 10 hours yeah?

 

what do we think China will do tomorrow?