discussion Shinzo Abe Dead: Killer Held Grudge Against Affiliated Church that Bankrupted Mother

[Genius1111]

 

 

 

[AlanRickman1946]

8 minutes ago, Genius1111 said:

 

 

 

Wow! Did not know India had such close ties with Japan. I mean i know Japan loaned them money with a very low interest rate but this is unexpected.

[Genius1111]

 

[Genius1111]

Relations between China and Japan did warm up for a few years. Too bad it did not last too long after that.

 

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Japan_relations

 

2018 China–United States trade war[edit]

Relations between Japan and China have substantially improved in the wake of the China–United States trade war.^[13][14] The improvement has been attributed to strong personal rapport between Abe and Xi, and to Japan's own trade disputes with the United States.^[57][58] Abe has advised Xi on trade negotiations with U.S. President Donald Trump.^[59]

COVID-19 pandemic (2019-present)[edit]

China-Japanese relations have experienced a thaw due to novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-present) that emerged from Wuhan, with an ancient line of a poem by a Japanese emperor to a Chinese monk that inspired the latter to spread Buddhism to Japan: "Even though we live in different places, we live under the same sky" being tweeted out by government officials and with the stanza posted on the sides of boxes of face masks sent as aid to China. Japan's private sector has donated over 3 million face masks along with $6.3 million in monetary donation. China's Foreign Minister Geng Shuang lauded Japan for their support.^[60]

 

Amidst the spread of COVID-19 pandemic in Japan, China responded in kind by donating 12,500 COVID-19 test kits in aid to Japan after reports that the country was running low on test kits, with a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson saying in Japanese that "China and Japan are neighboring countries separated by only a narrow strip of water. There are no borders in fight against the spread of virus."^[61]

[Jude]

The world is in shambles.

[Domination]

Symbolically upsetting but I can’t say I am mourning Abe...

 

Anyways, godspeed..

[terrorblade]

what the...

[madonnas]

11 hours ago, Blade Runner said:

And you're a moderator. Jesus Christ. 

Yes, I am.

 

In the Civics section of ATRL, harsh criticism of political & powerful public figures is not treated in the same way as stan wars over celebrities like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, and Beyonce.

 

Hence, saying that a controversial political figure will not be missed is not considered to be a rule-breaking post.  It is allowed here.  What is not allowed is calls for violence (ex. "somebody should k*ill him"). 

 

I said "Good riddance" in response to Abe's death because I, as somebody who considers themselves left-wing, oppose most of his policies and find most of his impact to be harmful.  You may do so when a left-leaning figure dies, if you feel that way.

 

I hope this helps clear up any confusion about the rules in the Civics Section of ATRL.

[uusagii]

Japan aside, why couldn't this have happened to Chun Doo-hwan before he ate it naturally

Edited July 8, 2022 by uusagii

[ClashAndBurn]

 

 

Oh, Hillary…

[Jormungand]

21 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

 

Oh, Hillary…

He did enact policies in Japan that encouraged more women in the workforce. As a result an additional 2 million women joined the workforce in a country that's facing a shrinking population. He also had more women in his cabinet than any previous administration at one point. As much as I detest Hillary Clinton, she said nothing wrong. 

[Communion]

24 minutes ago, Jormungand said:

He did enact policies in Japan that encouraged more women in the workforce. As a result an additional 2 million women joined the workforce in a country that's facing a shrinking population. He also had more women in his cabinet than any previous administration at one point. As much as I detest Hillary Clinton, she said nothing wrong. 

Would a feminist defend mass rape as a tool of genocide?

[ClashAndBurn]

31 minutes ago, Jormungand said:

He did enact policies in Japan that encouraged more women in the workforce. As a result an additional 2 million women joined the workforce in a country that's facing a shrinking population. He also had more women in his cabinet than any previous administration at one point. As much as I detest Hillary Clinton, she said nothing wrong. 

Nothing more pro-woman than defending the Rape of Nanjing and his own rapist war criminal grandfather.  

[A Bomb]

59 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

 

Oh, Hillary…

I mean, she damages her own ******* image. Relying solely on Americans not knowing the politics of any country even their own. Grotesque on different levels

[Jormungand]

25 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nothing more pro-woman than defending the Rape of Nanjing and his own rapist war criminal grandfather.  

Yeah, sure. 

[DAP]

Rest in piss 

[Katamari]

13 hours ago, Jude said:

The world is in shambles.

It really is tbh. Not to mention what’s going on in Sri Lanka

Edited July 9, 2022 by Katamari

[Harrier]

Every Western politician under the sun praising this man including many I like has been a bit disheartening.  

Surely its possible to write condolences for his family without pretending like he was some great transformative leader. The man did lasting damage to Japan's relationship with Korea & China and was a horrid nationalist

[State of Grace.]

Didn't want to admit his country committed war crimes and...died of a crime.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, Harrier said:

Every Western politician under the sun praising this man including many I like has been a bit disheartening.  

Surely its possible to write condolences for his family without pretending like he was some great transformative leader. The man did lasting damage to Japan's relationship with Korea & China and was a horrid nationalist

Shinzo Abe was the definitive neoliberal politician. It’s not a surprise that Western officials admire him. He’s everything they aspire to be (down to single-party control and not having to worry about ideologically different challengers), albeit maybe more nationalist than many of them would be willing to go, but that part seems to have been whitewashed entirely along with his denialist history.

[Genius1111]

 

[Genius1111]

 

 

 

“Assassinations were historically unexpected in postwar Japan, and we don’t even have a consensus on when it’s appropriate to use the word ‘assassination’ ourselves,” a Japanese editor who covered Friday’s incident said.

 

This wasn’t always the case. During the 1930s, Japan experienced a series of assassinations and attempts on the life of prime ministers. In that era, headlines first used the word “calamity,” and the wording was later replaced by “assassination” as details of the incidents emerged.

The term “calamity” became less common in postwar Japan, and “assassination” was used for the death of world figures such as U.S. President John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X.

 

During the same period, in 1960, the assassination of Inejiro Asanuma of the Japan Socialist Party had been the only postwar murder of a key political figure in Japan to date. But even then, Japanese newspapers called his death an “assassination” in their world news pages but described it as “death by stabbing” in their domestic pages.

 

“When a foreign dignitary was assassinated, the local expression ‘assassin’ was used, but when an important person from my country was assassinated, I was at a loss as to how to describe it,” the Japanese editor said. “There is no definition in our stylebook as to when to use the word ‘assassination’ and when not to use it.”

 

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A plausible explanation is that with Saturday being the day before voters go to polls for the Upper House election, Japan’s mainstream media has erred on the side of caution, refraining from running special programs that could be seen as influencing the vote.

 

As a result, in the wake of one of the most shocking news events Japan has ever experienced, the public may be experiencing a quiet weekend.

[AlanRickman1946]

15 minutes ago, Genius1111 said:

 

 

 

“Assassinations were historically unexpected in postwar Japan, and we don’t even have a consensus on when it’s appropriate to use the word ‘assassination’ ourselves,” a Japanese editor who covered Friday’s incident said.

 

This wasn’t always the case. During the 1930s, Japan experienced a series of assassinations and attempts on the life of prime ministers. In that era, headlines first used the word “calamity,” and the wording was later replaced by “assassination” as details of the incidents emerged.

The term “calamity” became less common in postwar Japan, and “assassination” was used for the death of world figures such as U.S. President John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Malcolm X.

 

During the same period, in 1960, the assassination of Inejiro Asanuma of the Japan Socialist Party had been the only postwar murder of a key political figure in Japan to date. But even then, Japanese newspapers called his death an “assassination” in their world news pages but described it as “death by stabbing” in their domestic pages.

 

“When a foreign dignitary was assassinated, the local expression ‘assassin’ was used, but when an important person from my country was assassinated, I was at a loss as to how to describe it,” the Japanese editor said. “There is no definition in our stylebook as to when to use the word ‘assassination’ and when not to use it.”

 

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A plausible explanation is that with Saturday being the day before voters go to polls for the Upper House election, Japan’s mainstream media has erred on the side of caution, refraining from running special programs that could be seen as influencing the vote.

 

As a result, in the wake of one of the most shocking news events Japan has ever experienced, the public may be experiencing a quiet weekend.

Interesting. So the Japanese media does not want to use the word "assassination" because it may lead citizens to be sympathetic towards Shinzo Abe's party? And that could be seen as influencing public opinion during election season?

 

I kinda think assassination should only be used if there is a clear political aim. Hmm...

[Communion]

21 hours ago, Jormungand said:

Yeah, sure. 

Hmm, I hope this wasn't sarcastic given the weight of just what Shinzo Abe defended and championed.

 

I think normal, everyday people within Japan itself can be given some graciousness. Political instability is a frightening thing for people, even if you hated the person's politics themselves. I'd even go so far to apply some graciousness to those who maybe bought into nationalist rhetoric but themselves never realized it was nationalist. 

 

These conversations at the end revolve around power and nitpicking those without power feels silly.

 

But for people like Hillary Clinton, she knows what she's saying when she exalts and champions someone whose neoliberal policies only worsened inequality in Japan, as neoliberalism always does, and who defended war crimes that his nation did against people his new allies see as less-than-humans.

 

It's funny to see so many reactionary voices claim to know that "many countries are imperialist today, not just America!!!" yet so rarely do these voices speak on the realities of Japanese imperialism and how many people have died just in the last century due to it. Maybe because America itself supported and approved of Japanese imperialism.

 

 

 

I wonder how the American-Korean relationship will be impacted with so many Koreans having to now see American politicians try to champion and eulogize a foreign leader who continually antagonized and provoked what was collective, generational trauma for the nation. 

 

I can't imagine the feelings which Korean nationals - whose great-grandmothers or grandmothers were forced into sexual slavery by the imperial Japanese army - may have towards Hillary Clinton referring to a man who denied these horrors occurring as a "proud feminist". 

Edited July 9, 2022 by Communion

[Jormungand]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Hmm, I hope this wasn't sarcastic given the weight of just what Shinzo Abe defended and championed.

 

I think normal, everyday people within Japan itself can be given some graciousness. Political instability is a frightening thing for people, even if you hated the person's politics themselves. I'd even go so far to apply some graciousness to those who maybe bought into nationalist rhetoric but themselves never realized it was nationalist. 

 

These conversations at the end revolve around power and nitpicking those without power feels silly.

 

But for people like Hillary Clinton, she knows what she's saying when she exalts and champions someone whose neoliberal policies only worsened inequality in Japan, as neoliberalism always does, and who defended war crimes that his nation did against people his new allies see as less-than-humans.

 

It's funny to see so many reactionary voices claim to know that "many countries are imperialist today, not just America!!!" yet so rarely do these voices speak on the realities of Japanese imperialism and how many people have died just in the last century due to it. Maybe because America itself supported and approved of Japanese imperialism.

 

 

 

I wonder how the American-Korean relationship will be impacted with so many Koreans having to now see American politicians try to champion and eulogize a foreign leader who continually antagonized and provoked what was collective, generational trauma for the nation. 

 

I can't imagine the feelings which Korean nationals - whose great-grandmothers or grandmothers were forced into sexual slavery by the imperial Japanese army - may have towards Hillary Clinton referring to a man who denied these horrors occurring as a "proud feminist". 

The things you're saying has been regurgitated time and time again. The Japanese government has expressed remorse, apologized, and has paid reparations for the atrocities committed since the war has ended, even the emperor has apologized. What Japan currently faces on its diplomatic end are Korean politicians that continue to antagonize Japan for political points and an assertive China that is seeking to flex its dominance in the region.

 

Many countries in South East Asia were subjected to the untold atrocities committed by Imperial Japan, yet they don't use it as a political tool. 

 

Mr. Abe was a divisive figure in Japan and abroad, that we know, but the primary reason why the 3 neighboring countries despised him so much was because he wanted to remilitarize Japan. That desire became ever increasing with belligerent neighbors and an unpredictable US. 

 

I'm not going to touch base on your claims of "worsened inequality" in Japan when it's clear your entire cynicism of Abe lay with how he paints Japan's history.