Kool_Aid_King Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: I literally grew up in a muslim household and your evidence is right there. Quran always overrides the opinion of scholars first and foremost and the grand majority of Islamic scholars over the course of the last 1400 years agree that abortion is forbidden. Literally their God speaks on it directly in the Quran, its part of Shariah law, most muslims agree its haram (forbidden) classical Islamic scholars agree its an immoral act but you think a ATRL forum disproves that abortion is legal. Only specific cases like the life of the woman being in danger allows it And for the record. Bette actually understands that there are some coincides with Biblical Sharia and Islamic Sharia laws. Islam is a religion that holds death penalty for fornicating but you think abortion is permissible is such an oxymoron. If you grew up in a Muslim household, who tf talks about Abortion? How often was it a topic of convo in your childhood? The Quran, like the bible, never explicitly mentions Abortion. Like I said, I've read the book several times and they do not talk about abortion. People are going off some hadiths and interpretation, most interpretation is within 120 days, that's all I said because that's what the local mosques I've gone to and discussions with actual scholars have lead me to believe. You regurgitating the same stupid point "If it bans X, What makes you think it allows Y" Is ironically the reasoning why a lot of Muslims in America don't know that it is permissible in a lot of cases. Abortion, whether it's to save the mother's life, in cases or rape, is allowed. In some US states, that might not be allowed. 9 minutes ago, Patient Zero said: I think she means the SCOTUS is becoming like the taliban. And she's right. That's not how the Taliban dresses. It's incredibly ignorant to imply a cap & beard = the Taliban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe On Moi Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 So judging by the replies in this thread and people actually in Islamic countries, abortion is not legal? And actually not really allowed? so uh…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintlor Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 I read this as Bridgit Mendler and was shook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stankonia Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Why are some of y'all acting like Islam is responsible for what's happening to women's rights in the US when it's very clearly christian fundamentalists who have been pushing for abortion to become illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jotham Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Saintlor said: I read this as Bridgit Mendler and was shook Mrs. Duncan's impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckitty Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 christians are banning abortions and she's blaming... muslims?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Stankonia said: Why are some of y'all acting like Islam is responsible for what's happening to women's rights in the US when it's very clearly christian fundamentalists who have been pushing for abortion to become illegal? It’s called islamophobia and once again anti-trans rhetoric and other shitty views like this are so often bedfellows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kool_Aid_King said: If you grew up in a Muslim household, who tf talks about Abortion? How often was it a topic of convo in your childhood? The Quran, like the bible, never explicitly mentions Abortion. Like I said, I've read the book several times and they do not talk about abortion. People are going off some hadiths and interpretation, most interpretation is within 120 days, that's all I said because that's what the local mosques I've gone to and discussions with actual scholars have lead me to believe. You regurgitating the same stupid point "If it bans X, What makes you think it allows Y" Is ironically the reasoning why a lot of Muslims in America don't know that it is permissible in a lot of cases. Abortion, whether it's to save the mother's life, in cases or rape, is allowed. In some US states, that might not be allowed. Still your stance saying abortion is legal a few posts back is simply untrue according to the Quran is what i was saying. Abortion is forbidden by default in Islam. Abortion is a terminology that was established in the 1900s. Of course it wouldnt be directly mentioned in a book that was made 1400 years ago ? The Quran is a book of guidance which you can DERIVE rulings, backed with hadith and sunnah laws.. FYI: Its only allowed in CERTAIN specific cases in the first 40 or 120 days since conception (sccording to the ruling you follow) if the mothers life is at risk. Not in cases of poverty or other socio economic cases. Thats the law. If a girl becomes pregnant without being married she would literally get murdered according to Hudud punishment laws. Also, If you’re muslim at least be sincere in your faith and accept every aspect of it. Islam is not some joyful cloud of laws that fit everyones morals. Edited July 6, 2022 by KatyPrismSpirit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rican Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Jagger said: Islam supports abortion now???? why are Islam defenders so delusional I never understand why leftists are constantly defending Islam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar-Rush Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Luckitty said: christians are banning abortions and she's blaming... muslims?? Ffs nobody is blaming Muslims for what happened to abortion rights in the US. Some people - ironically a lot of liberals - were drawing comparisons between 6 SCOTUS judges for their extreme conservative beliefs, and the Taliban's conservative beliefs. Edited July 6, 2022 by Sugar-Rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stankonia Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, Luckitty said: christians are banning abortions and she's blaming... muslims?? Thank you. Make it make sense.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckitty Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said: Ffs nobody is blaming Muslims for what happened to abortion rights in the US. Some people - ironically a lot of liberals - were drawing comparisons between 6 SCOTUS judges for their extreme conservative beliefs, similar to the Taliban's conservative beliefs. so every woman wearing a burqa & every man with a beard are taliban members? maybe it would've been less worse if the picture included an isis flag or something, but there's no indication that she's comparing the supreme court to a terrorist organization, there are many regular muslim men and women who look like that this picture just spreads islamophobia Edited July 6, 2022 by Luckitty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagger Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, Rican said: I never understand why leftists are constantly defending Islam It's so weird because it goes against every single leftist value they hate religion but only if it's Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, Rican said: I never understand why leftists are constantly defending Islam bc majority of muslims are poc and they dont want to look racist or some bs or they fear islam more than christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanta Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, TaggedGalaxy said: Religion is trash but she made zero points with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermillion Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 51 minutes ago, Nexto said: Abortion is banned in Islam with a few exceptions, facts don't care about your morals What's happening in America is devastating, but you acting like muslim nations are any better when it comes to abortion or women's rights in general is laughable. It's prohibited in nearly every single one of those countries because their govt is quite literally based on Sharia law. And those "rare" occasions you keep clinging on to (like r*pe) are extremely hard to prove over there. Maybe you'd know that if you were a woman living in those regions. Also, you saying that "all Muslim countries have cases where you can have legal abortion" is a fat lie. It's prohibited altogether (even in the case of r*pe) in Iran and Egypt to name a few. Iran literally wanted to create a death penalty for abortion recently, as well as contraceptives. And screaming at you trying to make this an "islamophobia" issue when I'm literally citing verses from the Quran and govt rulings to prove my point while you just keep on making assumptions with no backing arguments, and then expecting us to believe your word for it Organized religions are the cancer of the earth, and not one is better than the other. 35 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said: Still your stance saying abortion is legal a few posts back is simply untrue according to the Quran is what i was saying. Abortion is forbidden by default in Islam. Abortion is a terminology that was established in the 1900s. Of course it wouldnt be directly mentioned in a book that was made 1400 years ago ? The Quran is a book of guidance which you can DERIVE rulings, backed with hadith and sunnah laws.. FYI: Its only allowed in CERTAIN specific cases in the first 40 or 120 days since conception (sccording to the ruling you follow) if the mothers life is at risk. Not in cases of poverty or other socio economic cases. Thats the law. If a girl becomes pregnant without being married she would literally get murdered according to Hudud punishment laws. Also, If you’re muslim at least be sincere in your faith and accept every aspect of it. Islam is not some joyful cloud of laws that fit everyones morals. Thanks for the rundowns here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoPapi Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 She made one corny movie that people with bad taste like hoccus poccus w/e… she doesn’t deserve our attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas32 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Christian theocrats: do christian theocrat things Bette Middler: wow that's like muslim people behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Breathe On Moi said: So judging by the replies in this thread and people actually in Islamic countries, abortion is not legal? And actually not really allowed? so uh…. The criticism is that Americans are so ******* illiterate and ignorant to their own backwards ass society and way of life that they can only comprehend the negatives of their society by comparing it to cultures it deems less then. Like to highlight that these issues are wrong because they're outside some mythical American high standard. No, the Supreme Court is not the "Christian ISIS". No, America isn't "becoming like China" when it's police murder people in broad daylight. These are all inherently American phenomenon that require acknowledging America as a deeply undemocratic religious police state. These qualities are not foreign or abstract. They are central to the reality of the last 400 years of American barbarism as an oppressive state onto itself and others. Edited July 6, 2022 by Communion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobility Mary Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, gatito said: why is she going full maga all of a sudden? she’ll come out as antivaxxer and flat earther next I'd say there's a HUGE difference between being MAGA and not supporting Islam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relampago. Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Ignorant tweet and glad others said what already needed to be said in this thread too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wehan6 Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 woah this is disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yog Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 hours ago, kaveer said: Can she just please stfu until after Hocus Pocus 2 comes out Disney need to act fast…?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breathe On Moi Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Communion said: "becoming like China" Communion sis if you don’t leave me alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serendipity Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Uh Oh Bette - not this. I was rooting for you constantly. I get what you're trying to do but not as a white woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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