Headlock Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, slw84 said: Never thought this thread would be so divisive. It's divisive because their are many posters coming in with bad faith arguments who do not possess to vernacular to engage in this discussion and apparently don't desire the ability to acquire it either. Case in point is people constantly bringing up trans women when they literally have nothing to do with this discussion. It's almost as if there is an ulterior motive to their comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rican Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Luckitty said: do Americans actually say "birthing people"? it's honestly funny how republicans are planning and organizing while democrats are busy fighting with each other about woke terms like "latinx" and "birthing people" that's why republicans are gonna win 2024 Only once I have seen as a woman being describe as a person that gives birth and I know for certain that person wasn’t a right winger so I’m confuse as to why Trump and his Republicans are being blame for this type of language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rican Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, Headlock said: The way y'all constantly give yourselves away, trans women literally have NOTHING to do with this discussion I didn’t bring up trans women at all. There are dozens of posts about them so I was posting what I’m understanding from the debating. The trans woman comments I have seen pertain to that they get label as woman and labeling them anything else will be transphobic and cisgender woman are being label with medical alternative pronouns. Is that not a double standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Communion said: 0.3% of adult men in the US would be around 456k, not 1.5k Why are you doing this more like 300k and once again that's just a poll/estimate. there's no way there are 300 thousand trans men in the US alone. there is no real number and it's all just estimates. the estimate I saw was on the lower end (1 to 2k). the estimate you are pushing is on the upper end. either way all my points still stand. the fight for abortion rights should be focused on women. while specialist abortion clinics can be inclusive to all their customers. that's all i have to say on this. the debate is really tiring. it shouldn't even be a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, Brando said: There's no way there are 300 thousand trans men in the US alone. You're literally illiterate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted July 5, 2022 ATRL Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, Rican said: Only once I have seen as a woman being describe as a person that gives birth and I know for certain that person wasn’t a right winger so I’m confuse as to why Trump and his Republicans are being blame for this type of language. It's because, like you said, these terms are very rarely used at all and once it's used once or twice the right take that and run with it claiming the entire Democratic left are solely using those terms and have all deleted "woman" from their language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Rican said: I didn’t bring up trans women at all. There are dozens of posts about them so I was posting what I’m understanding from the debating. The trans woman comments I have seen pertain to that they get label as woman and labeling them anything else will be transphobic and cisgender woman are being label with medical alternative pronouns. Is that not a double standard? Where would planned parenthood even be advocating its abortion services to trans women and where would they be advocating for such using the term women while not using such a term for cis women? Some of you genuinely don't even know what you're trying to argue for outside of that a growing awareness of trans people makes you uncomfortable. https://onlinedoctor.lloydspharmacy.com/uk/mens-health-advice/enlarged-prostate-and-ed "If the prostate grows in a certain way it can squeeze the urethra or irritate the bottom of the bladder, making urination difficult. This happens to most people with prostates as they get older and it's usually harmless." https://www.testing.com/tests/semen-analysis/ "Certain problems with sperm can increase the risk of infertility in males and anyone who produces sperm. Infertility is when couples have difficulties getting or staying pregnant. Around 10% of people who produce sperm may be infertile or have difficulties getting a partner pregnant." https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/12183-testicular-cancer "Testicular cancer is rare, affecting only about 1 in 250 people with testicles in their lifetimes. " Edited July 5, 2022 by Communion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Communion said: You're literally illiterate. once again ignored my entire response to single out one sentence and even started calling me names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 24 minutes ago, Rican said: I didn’t bring up trans women at all. There are dozens of posts about them so I was posting what I’m understanding from the debating. Thus proving you don't understand anything at all? The people brining up trans women ALSO don't understand the topic of this thread 24 minutes ago, Rican said: The trans woman comments I have seen pertain to that they get label as woman and labeling them anything else will be transphobic and cisgender woman are being label with medical alternative pronouns. Is that not a double standard? You do realize that these are two completely separate issues and conversations, and that fact that you are conflating them means you are falling for right-wing reactionary propaganda that is trying to scare liberal-leaning women into thinking the left is trying to erase womanhood? You do get that, right? Trans women being called women is a nonstarter issue. They just are. Cis women being referred to in "medical terminology" in order to include trans men/non-binary individuals with ovaries/uteruses is a made up boogeyman issue peddled by conservatives and TERFs. This literally only happens in very select medical settings as has already been proven many times in this thread, and the majority of these healthcare providers utilizing these inclusive terms for the benefit of their patients' care are CIS WOMEN So again, you aren't actually understanding anything at all. And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't just trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, Brando said: there's no way there are 300 thousand trans men in the US alone. Jfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Bey Admired said: To be very clear, I have a problem with my mother being labelled anything other than a woman or female in a medical context, too. Are you a doctor, a linguist, or anything adjacent because Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAMJ Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 She didn't say anything wrong. She is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bey Admired Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, Phantom said: Are you a doctor, a linguist, or anything adjacent because No, and I never claimed I was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 42 minutes ago, Headlock said: Jfc provide a solid source for this number (not an estimate and not a poll on grindr) or jog on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertigo Stick Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, FreeXone said: Sadly many resort to crime as survival skills due to being homeless. But they arent being locked up because they are gay. There defenitely needs to be more help for homeless youth though. Exiling LGBQT+ people from society doesn't have to resemble The Holocaust They will likely roll back housing protections, medical protections, and much more right under noses on a state by state case. This will impact the same populations that have always been impacted by criminalization in the United States. Hopefully this never happens, though it's becoming more like a real possibility with the way things are going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezter Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Wait that’s all she said? Tbh she’s not wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 32 minutes ago, Brando said: provide a solid source for this number (not an estimate and not a poll on grindr) or jog on The fact that you think it’s more believeable that there are only 1.5k trans men in the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 45 minutes ago, Bey Admired said: No, and I never claimed I was? And therefore why would you believe you know better than medical professionals who utilize inclusive terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bey Admired Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Headlock said: And therefore why would you believe you know better than medical professionals who utilize inclusive terms? I’m going to need you to stop quoting me. I’m just a TERF, remember? I don’t need to be a doctor to know that substituting the word woman for “a person with a ******” or “a menstruating person” is misogynistic and woman-erasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Headlock said: The fact that you think it’s more believeable that there are only 1.5k trans men in the US I don't know what to believe. There are several estimates. Some of them group trans women and people identifying as non-binary in their figures, which is obviously not the topic of this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Headlock said: It's divisive because their are many posters coming in with bad faith arguments who do not possess to vernacular to engage in this discussion and apparently don't desire the ability to acquire it either. Case in point is people constantly bringing up trans women when they literally have nothing to do with this discussion. It's almost as if there is an ulterior motive to their comments. Chile it's still going on... I am staying on the sidelines on this one because I am ignorant on the details but familiar overall to this topic which is why I'll stay quiet and review because I did not know alot of what was going on and did not think it would turn into this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*.Digambar.* Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bey Admired said: I’m going to need you to stop quoting me. I’m just a TERF, remember? I don’t need to be a doctor to know that substituting the word woman for “a person with a ******” or “a menstruating person” is misogynistic and woman-erasure. Hunnie, it happens to people with balls and who can produce sperm too. They're not substituting the word men and women. Theyre just being inclusive when doing medical reports and such so that no one gets left out. You need to realize there are more than just cis people around, the medical world has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bey Admired Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, *.Digambar.* said: Hunnie, it happens to people with balls and who can produce sperm too. They're not substituting the word men and women. Theyre just being inclusive when doing medical reports and such so that no one gets left out. You need to realize there are more than just cis people around, the medical world has. What’s wrong with “women and people who menstruate”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*.Digambar.* Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, Bey Admired said: What’s wrong with “women and people who menstruate”? Whats wrong with people who menstruate and people who produce sperm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bey Admired said: I don’t need to be a doctor to know that substituting the word woman for “a person with a ******” or “a menstruating person” is misogynistic and woman-erasure. You actually kind of do (or at least have ANY kind of knowledge of women's health/OB/GYN/reproductive health) because there are specific reasons why medical professionals use those terms because they don't just serve cis women, you transphobic buffoon Edited July 5, 2022 by Headlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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