Sheep Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, God_Donna said: If you can’t change your age. You can’t change your sex. You didn't respond to a single question I raised. Are you incapable? If so why?
Vin Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: A transphobe, a wife-beater stan, AND an OGH? Wow you are a triple threat of bad takes. I'm not a Johnny Depp stan. And I'm not a transphobe. There should be warning points on this forum for accusatory language, though. Similar to libel. And there's zero correlation between trans rights and Black Lives Matter. I'd advise you not to make the same mistake again, in the future. 18 minutes ago, Century said: He can't be transphobic in public anymore. How sad Like I said, I don't know his post history (nor do I care). I was simply agreeing with @Ferret stance on not silencing other views. ...Vin Edited July 5, 2022 by Vin
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, God_Donna said: They can have babies? 20 minutes ago, God_Donna said: If you can’t change your age. You can’t change your sex. This is why none of these conversations are productive because genuine concerns get misused by concern trolls like the above who'll say things like "trans people make me sick" or the other user who got a ZTP saying stuff like "transgender people mutilate themselves". Language like "people who menstruate" or "people who can give birth" and its usage in medical settings like a clinic or doctor's office is literally the product of what is largely young cis women who work in medicine and healthcare trying to be inclusive, by their own volition, to trans men. (Keeping in mind that most of the terms used in the original op-ed are not used by any org and were phrased in purposefully incendiary ways. Terms like 'menstruator' are less common because they're awkward and doesn't sound like English. Someone is more likely to opt for 'people who menstruate'.) Yet those who wish to cause harm to trans people will use 1) blatant disinformation (the word "women" is the primary noun still used in ALL of these orgs' websites and collateral) and 2) the ebb and flow of natural change to pit people against each other despite them sharing similar axes of oppression, often shared oppression. Trans people do not run these large healthcare organizations. By servicing mostly cis women, many of these organizations are run by and led by cis women. It is cis women trying to be inclusive to trans men and yet people allow themselves to be duped by far-right Christofascists to not only take outrage rooted in lies out on trans men but also trans women. Edited July 5, 2022 by Communion
Sheep Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Just now, Vin said: I'm not a transphobe. There should be warning points on this forum for accusatory language, though. Similar to libel. Like I said, I don't know his post history (nor do I care). I was simply agreeing with @Ferret stance on not silencing other views. And there's zero correlation between trans rights and Black Lives Matter. I'd advise you not to make the same mistake again, in the future. ...Vin I haven't brought up any race issues. Apparently you aren't even familiar with the posts you're responding to or the comments you're making. How deep does the vin feigning ignorance to continue condescending atrl users rabbit hole go? Again I'll reiterate this is why this forum's community doesn't like you. No hate. Just facts and a healthy plea to look at your own behavior.
ElectricFrancis Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Those terms are disrespectful. I agree with her.
Vin Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, Century said: I haven't brought up any race issues. Apparently you aren't even familiar with the posts you're responding to or the comments you're making. That post was made for another user, not you. I edited and corrected my original post. ...Vin
Oktober Knight Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 How is this transphobic? Everything she said was right.
Legend ReX Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Jessie said: Yes let’s simply erase trans men from society and conversations around their bodily rights because ATRL user Mr Brando has declared them insignificant. Please do go **** yourself. But erasing women is ok? 15 hours ago, Brando said: this is what SJWs don't understand i swear I understand the desire for inclusion, but the fakes on Twitter have picked the absolute most demeaning words to replace them. “Birthing people”? “People with uteruses”? Are you kidding me? Straight out of the Amy Conehead Barrett playbook. We need better terms to use…you know, like “female,” which already refers to sex and not gender. Edited July 5, 2022 by Legend ReX
Prisoner Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 I dont see anything wrong with the tweet in the op. or should we start calling women 'people with vaginas' just to please the woke crowd on twitter
fauxtography Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 Yeah regardless of my opinion on terminology the issue with this is her biting right wing propaganda instead of being more worried about the issue at hand. how about instead of focusing on buzz words we focus on the major issue.
DONTYELLATME Posted July 5, 2022 Author Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Prisoner said: I dont see anything wrong with the tweet in the op. or should we start calling women 'people with vaginas' just to please the woke crowd on twitter She bought into the trans panic
Crescent Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, fauxtography said: how about instead of focusing on buzz words we focus on the major issue. Tea
DONTYELLATME Posted July 5, 2022 Author Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Prisoner said: I dont see anything wrong with the tweet in the op. or should we start calling women 'people with vaginas' just to please the woke crowd on twitter She bought into the trans panic
FreeXone Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. Mendes said: You have obviously never felt as if you were in the wrong body, and I'm so happy for you. However, not everyone has that luxury. Gender and biological sex do not always align, and in instances where it does not, that individual is entitled to the freedom to affirm their sex. That does not just mean a transition surgery, that means being treated as a man if they've transitioned into a man and treated as a woman if they transition into a woman. Science is irrelevant. Science only determines the biological sex that a fetus is born as, it does not dictate who that person is, how they identify, nor does it dictate whether or not they live the rest of their lives as that biological sex. JK Rowling is not correct, and she never has been. Trans women do not take away the rights of cis gender women. They never have and they never will. Someone affirming their gender either through surgery or other means makes them that gender, and there's nothing that any transphobe can say to change that. Trans women are women. Trans men are men. End of story. Bloop! End thread.
JawBreaker Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Inclusive language my ass Edited July 5, 2022 by JawBreaker
Breathe On Moi Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 I know a specific fanbase has it out for Bette because of things she said “about”their fave as of recent, so I’m not shocked by the “uproar” from them In here, super transparent. In any case, Bette clearly was not directing this at the Trans population in any way. She was mentioning dumbass terms that shouldn’t be used, like how do you not get that? OP is basically trolling and reaching hard as hell. Embarrassing.
Oscar Isaac Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) I unfollowed her on Twitter ages ago for a racist take so this is hardly surprising. And as a cis woman, I can safely say her tweet is ******* stupid. And it’s genuinely hilarious that some of the worst perpetrators of misogyny for the sake of stan wars on this godforsaken board are suddenly trying to act like they give a **** about women outside of the stanning and degrading cycle. Y’all just want an excuse to be transphobic, you don’t actually care about women. Edited July 5, 2022 by Oscar Isaac
Gaia Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Bears01 said: The only people who have any kind of problems with what she said are the people who literally never get off Twitter for 2 minutes and stay being offended by just about anything
JoeAg Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 extremely disappointing coming from someone who got her career start performing at gay bathhouses. you should thank the queer community, Bette. don't cause more division with people, rather than getting people to fight together towards a common goal it is honestly counterintuitive for her to be upset by "people with vaginas" because she's also implying that this is ONLY AFFECTING WOMEN because that line of thinking essentially reduces women back to people with vaginas. she really needs to check herself for her exhausting circular reasoning. shut it down miss middling...
Protocol Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, JoeAg said: extremely disappointing coming from someone who got her career start performing at gay bathhouses. you should thank the queer community, Bette. don't cause more division with people, rather than getting people to fight together towards a common goal it is honestly counterintuitive for her to be upset by "people with vaginas" because she's also implying that this is ONLY AFFECTING WOMEN because that line of thinking essentially reduces women back to people with vaginas. she really needs to check herself for her exhausting circular reasoning. shut it down miss middling... Bette performed for cisgender gay men in bathhouses in the 70s. I don’t she would’ve been interested in performing for trans men (who were not attending those bathhouses), as her tweets suggest.
RunUpDoneUp Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Bypassing all the gargling, gleeful, gays on a leash of a white women(How NEW! How INVENTIVE!) I'll start with the moronic pensioner; white women have hogged EVERYTHING for hundreds of years in america and you still want to hog something that doesn't center you yet again?! You aren't the ceos of womanhood, pregnancy, hormones, dresses, femininity or rights. Cisgender women are diverse asf and come in all different shapes, sizes and biological scripts. Stop erasing each other in order to attack a few, say it with your chest next time! Bigots love to code and cower behind insinuation instead of wearing their big girl panties and saying what's what. No longer will annoying, toxic white feminists occupy the space of abortion discussions or the bodily autonomy of women. No longer will white women tell others who go through things they never have what's qualifying about their existence. No longer will white women be able to sign off on who gets to be attacked by their white male sons, brothers, uncles and fathers. White women have long been agents of harm against the lgbt community and modern day feminism illustrates that well. Feminism is a vibrant gateway to conservatism all because of women like better middler and jkr who are DECADES behind feminists who foresaw this future coming DECADES ago. A Feminism without intersectionality is a Feminism of division and one that mimics the conservative model of choosing villains and victims; oftentimes those of the minority class occupy the role of the villain. They did it with black women. They did it with asian women. They did it with intersex women. They did it with disabled women. They did it with infertile women. They did it with fat women. They did it with gay women. They do it with trans women. White Feminism is a cancer. Now to the gay men who are the quintessential definition of the gay purse accessory that strap themselves onto the hand of the white woman and takes pride in being used as a weapon against their fellow lgbt members; you will never be anything more than that. Not to them and damn sure not to us. We see you for what you have chosen to be; a tool. Throughout history, gay men, usually of white orientation, have chosen to assimilate into heteronormative culture and when they get rightfully burned, they rush back, seeking aid and support from the very community they've worked against in the interest of currying favor among the straight demo. Gay men are not equals to straight people. You can sit with them. You can work with them. You can even come to their wedding but you will never have what they don't want you to have; identity. Women have long since viewed gay men as cooptors of femininity and womanhood and are thus an "other." This has been trained into most women before they can even talk. It's most evident among conservative women who gleefully call you a groomer but as gay men know well, the liberal woman has similar bigotries too; in the way they look at you. In the way they talk about people like you. In the way they use you as an accessory. In the way they approach you compared to their female friends. There's a clear distinction cisgender women make when it comes to gay men; you can either choose to ignore and thereby cast the lgbt community aside. Or you can combat it with the help of everyone that homophobia affects, doubling, tripling and actually making a wider effect for your life through the power of lgbt unity. Edited July 5, 2022 by RunUpDoneUp
JoeAg Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 20 minutes ago, Protocol said: Bette performed for cisgender gay men in bathhouses in the 70s. I don’t she would’ve been interested in performing for trans men (who were not attending those bathhouses), as her tweets suggest. well that’s fair, but trans people do go to bathhouses too. and oftentimes they can be stealth. we really cannot say how many trans men or women attended bathhouses back then, especially the crowded nights some people pass and some people don’t… “pass,” after all my point is, trans people are part of the community that has jumpstarted her career
Protocol Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 1 minute ago, JoeAg said: well that’s fair, but trans people do go to bathhouses too. and oftentimes they can be stealth. we really cannot say how many trans men or women attended bathhouses back then, especially the crowded nights some people pass and some people don’t… “pass,” after all my point is, trans people are part of the community that has jumpstarted her career Well that’s true, my point was that Bette has never supported the trans community, she probably thought she was only supporting gays
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