discussion US gov & Pete Buttigieg ratioed for calling US a global leader on public transit

[nathanspears]

A rich country isn't where the people have cars, it's where the people use public transportation

[frenchyisback]

15 minutes ago, Marvin said:

These are all terrible reasons to justify not investing in public transportation. Not everyone has or wants to use a car. Other feasible alternatives (that aren’t Uber) should exist. The fact that New York is the only city in the country with a decent public transportation system is embarrassing. 

 

Regardless, the idea that another country would want to take any tips from the US regarding public transit and/or urban planning is laughable. 

You guys are pure ideologs.

The economics doesn't matter to yall.

Yall just want your high speed train even if it is more expensive & slower and economically non-viable.

 

We don't need bridges to nowhere. 

[frenchyisback]

5 minutes ago, nathanspears said:

A rich country isn't where the people have cars, it's where the people use public transportation

Sure!

We all know how poor the US is & how much richer Hungary, Austria, Czech Republic & China truly are with all their fancy trains. 

 

The Hungarian dream >>>>>>>>>>>  

 

 

 

Edited July 3, 2022 by frenchyisback

[GraceRandolph]

3 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

You guys are pure ideologs.

The economics doesn't matter to yall.

Yall just want your high speed train even if it is more expensive & slower and economically non-viable.

 

We don't need bridges to nowhere. 

Yes I do want public transportation. Not everyone has an SUV. 

[jqnetto]

11 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

Let me tell you how much we care about what they think...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So... you don't even care about yourselves? Because people in that embarrassing video didn't know how to locate the United States of America either. 

[frenchyisback]

Just now, jqnetto said:

So... you don't even care about yourselves? Because people in that embarrassing video didn't know how to locate the United States of America either. 

 

If you always stay in your home because it has everything, then you wouldn't know what the neighborhood looks like either.   

[Sesame]

17 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

Omg lol, the face he made after Bernie ENDED him on the debate stage comes to mind

 

 

and Pete had a considerable amount of gay support when he started running, but once he got exposed for being terrible, it fell . The people now know better

 

 

 

Those numbers seem far lower considering how many #Gays4Buttigieg rallies there were during the primaries. Either way they’re all morons. 

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, MAKSIM said:

this is a non-issue 

This negative reaction is clearly not due to the plan itself (though it can be criticized for being part of the usual bureaucracy in the US where committees and studies tasked to find out what to do are always done in place of actually doing something).

 

The negative reaction is clearly due to the highly exceptionalism tone of the tweet + video and how at odds such a tone is to the horrific realities many Americans understand and know about our transport infrastructure.

 

American nationalists can't even brag about the country's freight rail system for goods given that most American drivers already know about how taxing large commercial trucks over the last decade have been to both tax dollars for the roads they destroy and how they contribute to the constant congestion and genuine horrible experience of driving in a car dependent nation like America

 

It's another example of how empty valor and patriotism can't solve the material suffering and angst felt in real-world America at the moment. It's even more tone-deaf during a time where Americans are suffering due such car dependency under energy cost-derived inflation.

 

Most Americans are simply not proud of where America currently stands.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Communion

[Mean Trees]

I would join in the dragging but a lot of these urbanist/public transporter dunkers were all for Buttigieg before so...... I guess they can suffer.

[Azulito]

19 hours ago, frenchyisback said:

You guys are pure ideologs.

The economics doesn't matter to yall.

Yall just want your high speed train even if it is more expensive & slower and economically non-viable.

 

We don't need bridges to nowhere. 

There’s tons of corridors where high-speed rail is economically viable in the US… what is this nonsense  

 

The Northeast, California, Texas, Florida, a Midwest network with Chicago as the hub, a Southeast network with Atlanta as the hub, etc… actual “bridges to nowhere” are built all the time and no one says anything

[Protocol]

20 hours ago, Marvin said:

These are all terrible reasons to justify not investing in public transportation. Not everyone has or wants to use a car. Other feasible alternatives (that aren’t Uber) should exist. The fact that New York is the only city in the country with a decent public transportation system is embarrassing. 

 

Regardless, the idea that another country would want to take any tips from the US regarding public transit and/or urban planning is laughable. 

And despite this New York's subway is absolutely the ghetto compared to London's. The way it floods like the Titanic  The horrible run down tracks and stations that look like something out of a horror movie  Trains getting stuck and delays all the time  

 

The bar is in hell

[frenchyisback]

6 hours ago, Marvin said:

There’s tons of corridors where high-speed rail is economically viable in the US… what is this nonsense  

 

The Northeast, California, Texas, Florida, a Midwest network with Chicago as the hub, a Southeast network with Atlanta as the hub, etc… actual “bridges to nowhere” are built all the time and no one says anything

Sure!

They are so many money makers t but we all know that the US private sector is clueless when it comes to making money and that’s why they have not invested in those 
 

But you must be the new Steve Jobs and go ahead and invest your money ? 

[FOCK]

Lmfao, the way I'm in Sydney and literally no more than 5-30mins away from the option to take a bus, a tram, a ferry, a train or hop on a bike and take advantage of our bike lanes. 

 

The way the US believes its own delusions & can deliver such bs with a straight face. Sure. Teach us, oh great one. 

 

[Azulito]

4 hours ago, frenchyisback said:

Sure!

They are so many money makers t but we all know that the US private sector is clueless when it comes to making money and that’s why they have not invested in those 
 

But you must be the new Steve Jobs and go ahead and invest your money ? 

Economically viable doesn’t necessarily mean something will be profitable; it can also mean that such a project would bring a net-positive impact to the community. Do you really think a 2 hour train between New York and DC has no potential to be a success?

 

Public transportation shouldn’t be built for profit anyways. It should be built so people have options for how to get places. Airlines run certain routes that lose money just so people aren’t completely stranded. Highways aren’t profitable but they keep getting built. The idea that a train route has to be profitable for it to be built makes no sense.  

 

[Azulito]

10 hours ago, Protocol said:

And despite this New York's subway is absolutely the ghetto compared to London's. The way it floods like the Titanic  The horrible run down tracks and stations that look like something out of a horror movie  Trains getting stuck and delays all the time  

 

The bar is in hell

Yeah, even New York is an embarrassment by international standards. It’s sad that so many Americans think it’s normal to have to drive everywhere or wait 30+ minutes for a bus/train that’s hopefully not delayed. 

[justjess]

He needs to sit the **** down. We have horrible public transit. 

[The7thStranger]

You can get from England to North ******* Korea by train.

 

You can't even get outside some suburban towns in the States.

[John Slayne]

On 7/4/2022 at 11:19 PM, frenchyisback said:

Sure!

They are so many money makers t but we all know that the US private sector is clueless when it comes to making money and that’s why they have not invested in those 
 

But you must be the new Steve Jobs and go ahead and invest your money ? 

this is exactly the reason why your public transport is horrible and the world laughs at Pete's insinuation that the US are leaders in transport

 

the rest of the world doesn't see public transportation as something profitable. it's not meant to make money, it costs money because it's a service that provides affordable travel for the community.

[John Slayne]

On 7/3/2022 at 9:22 PM, frenchyisback said:

We all know how poor the US is & how much richer Hungary, Austria, Czech Republic

those three are all economically developed countries in the EU and in many ways far ahead of the US in provision of public services, especially Austria and Czech Republic. the wealth inequality and marketization of healthcare/education in the US is what makes your country crap in comparison, Czechs and Austrians can actually study without getting into massive debt and they can get ill without having to get a 2nd mortgage on their house

[frenchyisback]

42 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

those three are all economically developed countries in the EU and in many ways far ahead of the US in provision of public services, especially Austria and Czech Republic. the wealth inequality and marketization of healthcare/education in the US is what makes your country crap in comparison, Czechs and Austrians can actually study without getting into massive debt and they can get ill without having to get a 2nd mortgage on their house

So we agree.

Hungary and Czechs are richer countries than the US.

 

 

The US is indeed too poor and that's why we need to get out of those expensive "climate" regulations & stop all foreign aid to non-treaty allies.

 

US citizens can't afford it. We need cheap oil for our summer travels 

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by frenchyisback

[frenchyisback]

1 hour ago, John Slayne said:

this is exactly the reason why your public transport is horrible and the world laughs at Pete's insinuation that the US are leaders in transport

 

the rest of the world doesn't see public transportation as something profitable. it's not meant to make money, it costs money because it's a service that provides affordable travel for the community.

This is why there is a well deserved social backlash against the left in the US.

Like most of the left, he wants to turn Americans into Europeans regardless of how uninterested we are   

 

Now they are trying to force us out of our comfortable cars & bully us into living in dirty underground tunnels literally smelling like urines in some places, with rats & strangers in the post COVID era (which they seem to not care about anymore)  #Disgusting

 

 

 

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London Underground rats

An estimated 500,000 tiny mice live in the network of tunnels on the London Underground. That's more than the population of even London's biggest borough, Barnet, where 392,000 people live.May 19, 2022

 

https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/facts-mice-london-underground-tube-18097665

 

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Foxes, rats and bats: What might be sharing your Paris Metro journey The Paris Metro system can be pretty crowded at rush hour, but at least then it's only fellow humans that you need to worry about. When the Metro is quieter some more unusual travellers come out.

 

https://www.thelocal.fr/20200212/foxes-rats-and-bats-what-might-be-sharing-your-paris-metro-journey/

 

 

 

The fact that they even have the nerve to present this as some type of upgrade into the future. 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by frenchyisback

[John Slayne]

20 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

regardless of how uninterested we are

looking at the replies to Pete and in this thread it seems like there's plenty of Americans interested in affordable travel, actually, but you do you

[frenchyisback]

1 minute ago, John Slayne said:

looking at the replies to Pete and in this thread it seems like there's plenty of Americans interested in affordable travel, actually, but you do you

The fact that you think ATRL represents the US general public  

[John Slayne]

3 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

The fact that you think ATRL represents the US general public  

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Even though many Americans don’t have access to a convenient transit network, they still believe transit has enormous benefits. The polling shows that 66 percent of voters believe their own communities would benefit from expanding public transit while about 77 percent of voters believe the US overall would benefit from expanding public transit. This support includes near unanimity among Democrats, 90 percent of whom agree. 

https://t4america.org/2020/03/17/voters-want-and-need-more-transportation-options/#:~:text=The polling shows that 66,90 percent of whom agree.

 

 

 

I mean look, it's your country so if you think it's perfect that's fine, but don't get offended when you get clowned online for trying to force your transport system from hell onto other countries.

 

If you are happy in your lil car good for you.

[John Slayne]

10 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

The fact that you think ATRL represents the US general public  

also, the fact that you think YOU represent the US general public