Chemist Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Even the liberal judges are scared of what SCOTUS has become. This is unprecedented
frenchyisback Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 The left think requiring people to bring state IDs to vote is voter suppression tho (Something required everywhere in Europe). They also think that giving people 2 months of early voting vs 3 months of early voting is voter suppression. When just about no other countries even have any early voting period. They always go too far and it turns people off.
Communion Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: The left think requiring people to bring state IDs to vote is voter suppression tho (Something required everywhere in Europe). They also think that giving people 2 months of early voting vs 3 months of early voting is voter suppression. When just about no other countries even have any early voting period. They always go too far and it turns people off. How are you back for 5 minutes and already making illogical posts one after the other? Most countries you'd compare America to hold elections on weekends: And many who hold elections on weekdays make election days a federal holiday: Nevermind that the vast majority of Americans support the thing you're claiming turns them off:
frenchyisback Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Communion said: How are you back for 5 minutes and already making illogical posts one after the other? Most countries you'd compare America to hold elections on weekends: And many who hold elections on weekdays make election days a federal holiday: Nevermind that the vast majority of Americans support the thing you're claiming turns them off: 2 month early voting >>>>>>>>>>>> 1 day on 1 weekend. & I too agree with your laundry list of policy. Notice they only propose 2 weeks of early voting... the left would call that voter suppression. Also, I am not seeing a poll showing American supporting voting without a state ID tho which the left consistently calls voter suppression as well Your point? Edited July 3, 2022 by frenchyisback
Communion Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 1 minute ago, frenchyisback said: 2 month early voting >>>>>> 1 day on 1 weekend. Early voting is done in America because elections do not happen on holidays or weekends. This Is obvious to anyone more advanced than a troglodyte.
GraceRandolph Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Communion said: How are you back for 5 minutes and already making illogical posts one after the other? Most countries you'd compare America to hold elections on weekends: And many who hold elections on weekdays make election days a federal holiday: Nevermind that the vast majority of Americans support the thing you're claiming turns them off: Get that Nancy Pelosi stan! Edited July 3, 2022 by GraceRandolph
Tropez Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 We are witnessing the United States collapsing. This is essentially the death of a nation. Good riddance.
Communion Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: Get that Nancy Pelosi stan! It's just incoherence. "Most of the world doesn't even do what America does! Cause the left here is EXTREME!!!" "...well yes, America does x *because* it doesn't do y like most of the world does" "...okay? And?? x >>>>>>>>> y because America is the #1 country in the world!!" ....then why even make the post negatively framing America as an outlier??
frenchyisback Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Communion said: Early voting is done in America because elections do not happen on holidays or weekends. This Is obvious to anyone more advanced than a troglodyte. Again, this does not change the fact that 2 month Early voting with the final election day on a Tuesday is still >>>>>>> 1 day of voting on 1 Sunday (especially since some people work on Sundays too). What's not clicking? Yet, yall still call 2 months of early voting that voter suppression. I love how you keep ignoring the fact that yall also keep calling voter suppression the fact that states require state ID to vote. Also, can I laugh at CCP stan trying to lecture the US about voting rights Edited July 3, 2022 by frenchyisback
Communion Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: that states require state ID to vote. 2 hours ago, Communion said: It's just incoherence. "Most of the world doesn't even do what America does! Cause the left here is EXTREME!!!" "...well yes, America does x *because* it doesn't do y like most of the world does" At this point it's self-harm.
frenchyisback Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Communion said: At this point it's self-harm. WHAT IS A IMGUR? MYTHOMANIA is a disease. YOUR MAP IS A EASY TO DISPROVE LIE. SADLY, I EXPECT IT FROM COMMUNISTS & I AM PREPARED: Quote Argentina[edit] In Argentina voting is compulsory for all citizens between 18 and 70 years old, non-compulsory for those older than 70 and between 16 and 18, and citizens with domiciles in foreign countries. To vote they must present a valid Documento Nacional de Identidad at the corresponding voting center. Brazil[edit] In Brazil voting is compulsory to all citizens between 18 and 70 years old.[13] To vote, all citizens must: Be registered to vote, getting a voter ID card, called "Título Eleitoral" aka "Título de Eleitor" in Brazil. Presenting the voter ID card when voting is optional Report in person to the voting section[14] Present an official identity document with photo, usually the regular ID card (cédula de identidade) Since 2006 the Brazilian Electoral Justice is re-registering voters with biometric identification. In the 2014 elections more than 22 million voters out of 141 million[15] will be identified by fingerprints.[16] Canada[edit] Federal elections[edit] In Canada, the Federal government mails an Elections Canada registration confirmation card, which the voter takes to the polling station. The card tells the individual where and when to vote. Voters must prove their identity and address with one of three options:[17] Show one original government-issued piece of identification with photo, name and address, like a driver's license or a health card. Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have a name and one must also have an address. Examples: student ID card, birth certificate, public transportation card, utility bill, bank/credit card statement, etc. Take an oath and have an elector who knows the voter vouch for them (both of whom must make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as the voter. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector. Germany[edit] Germany uses a community-based resident registration system. Everyone eligible to vote receives a personal polling notification by mail, some weeks before the election. The notification indicates the voter's precinct polling station. Voters must present their polling notification and if asked a piece of photo ID (identity card, passport, or other form of identification). As a rule identification is not required other than by the polling notification. If the voter cannot present the notification, a valid ID and an entry in the register of voters can qualify for voting.[24][25] Greece[edit] Voters identify themselves by their ID cards and are given the full number of ballot papers for the constituency plus a blank ballot paper and an empty envelope. From: Elections in Greece Hungary[edit] Voting is voluntary for all citizens 18 years or older. All voters should show a photo ID and an address card. To prevent the double voting they need to register themselves if they want to vote at a different place than their address on their address card. Iceland[edit] Voting is voluntary for all citizens 18 years or older. All voters must present photo ID to vote for their preferred candidate. To prevent double-voting fraud, every voter is checked against the national voter database before their ballot is placed into the ballot box.[26] India[edit] The Indian voter ID card is an identity document issued by the Election Commission of India to adult domiciles of India who have reached the age of 18, which primarily serves as an identity proof for Indian citizens while casting their ballot in the country's municipal, state, and national elections. It also serves as general identity, address, and age proof for other purposes such as buying a mobile phone SIM card or applying for a passport. It also serves as a Travel Document to travel to Nepal and Bhutan by Land or Air[27] It is also known as Electoral Photo ID Card (EPIC). It was first introduced in 1993 during the tenure of the Chief Election Commissioner TN Seshan.[28] There are 11 other types of alternative identification documents specified that can be accepted for voting[29] Israel[edit] Similar to Germany, there is a national voters database and photo ID is required (identity card, passport or driving license).[30] Italy[edit] Italian voter card ("Tessera elettorale") Italy requires voters to present a photo ID (ID card, driver license, passport) and a voter card ("Tessera elettorale"), which can also be issued on election day. Luxembourg[edit] In principle, Luxembourg requires voters to present their passport, identity card, residence permit or visa when voting. However, a derogation allows for this requirement to be waived if a member of staff at the polling station can personally vouch for the identity of the voter.[31] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws The poll you refuse to post: An overwhelming majority (81%) of respondents also said they support voters being required to show ID in order to vote, including 62% of Democrats, even as critics contend voter ID laws suppress turnout and unfairly discriminate against groups like low-income, elderly and minority voters. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/21/80-of-americans-support-voter-id-rules-but-fewer-worried-about-fraud-poll-finds/?sh=5851dea41e0b Anyway, Enjoy your 4th of July weekend on ATRL. I am about to hop in my car, drop the top & go find me somebody's masculine son to legally violate & humiliate chill with. Edited July 3, 2022 by frenchyisback
Communion Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: WHAT IS A IMGUR? I'm sorry but you appear to be genuinely illiterate. Other countries institute voter ID laws because nearly all countries outside of the US make it so a national identity card is compulsory to have and thus either give a card to every citizen for free of charge or at nearly no-cost. Because America does not institute the right for the government to have to provide each and every citizen with some free identity card, the US historically does not rely on voter ID as a means to prove one's right to vote. And this is a cultural norm without flaw given that there nearly zero cases of a non-citizen trying to vote or a citizen posing as another trying to vote every year. Literacy is a virtue, my friend. You do not have to continually look uneducated and dense on the world wide web everyday.
Smarticle Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 the checks and balances aren't checking and balancing
frenchyisback Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) On 7/3/2022 at 4:16 PM, Communion said: I'm sorry but you appear to be genuinely illiterate. Other countries institute voter ID laws because nearly all countries outside of the US make it so a national identity card is compulsory to have and thus either give a card to every citizen for free of charge or at nearly no-cost. Because America does not institute the right for the government to have to provide each and every citizen with some free identity card, the US historically does not rely on voter ID as a means to prove one's right to vote. And this is a cultural norm without flaw given that there nearly zero cases of a non-citizen trying to vote or a citizen posing as another trying to vote every year. Literacy is a virtue, my friend. You do not have to continually look uneducated and dense on the world wide web everyday. So we agree that you got caught lying when you said the US was an outliner by requiring IDs. Glad we now agree that those countries do require ID to vote YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT LYING & NOW YOU'RE GETTING CAUGHT LYING TO COVER YOUR 1ST LIE AS PER USUAL. The median cost of a state ID in the US is $16 http://sharedprosperityphila.org/documents/Revised-ID-Waiver-Appendices-5.15.15.pdf Austria ID cost: $60 Cyprus ID Cost: $30 Germany ID cost: $40 Italy ID cost: $40 UK ID cost: $25 Switzerland ID cost: $140 Spain ID Cost: $16 And I could go on and on.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area YOU DO REALIZE THERE IS SUCH A THING AS GOOGLE? Or are you using the Chinese internet? I have actually lived in Europe. Find some un-traveled American to lie to about that Utopians Europe the American left is deluded about. @GraceRandolph Educate yourself about communist propaganda instead of just believing random cards by a known liar communist. Edited July 5, 2022 by frenchyisback
Communion Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 54 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: when you said the US was an outliner by requiring IDs On 7/3/2022 at 4:16 PM, Communion said: I'm sorry but you appear to be genuinely illiterate.
frenchyisback Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Communion said: I'm sorry but you appear to be genuinely illiterate. Congrats, you found a typo from someone who learned English as a 2nd language. Anti immigrant racism is a new low from you What's next? Make fun of my accent? I guess that's all you can do after getting caught lying.. again... and again... & have nothing left to say on the actual topic Edited July 5, 2022 by frenchyisback
ClashAndBurn Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, BadMonster said: IDs are compulsory in The Netherlands and it's blue in that image, so that's incorrect ___________ Let me read up on this a bit Does The Netherlands have a history of preventing black people from voting with arbitrary hurdles? Their racist history is mostly relegated to enslavement and apartheid in former colonies, as I’m aware. Enfranchising descendants of slaves isn’t as much of a concern in the motherland.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, BadMonster said: They don't. No idea what the rest of the discussion was even about or what the image was a response to, was just responding that IDs are compulsory in The Netherlands when that image implies they're not, but maybe it was for a specific situation? There wasn't really any context in the post with the image “Voter ID” is an example of how election officials in the United States have placed hurdles in the way of voting. It seems benign. But we’ve had literacy tests and poll taxes to make it harder for America’s black population (who are disproportionately poverty-stricken compared to other ethnicities) to even be able to vote at all. Voter ID would be another form of the traditionally disenfranchising poll tax.
A Bomb Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 35 minutes ago, frenchyisback said: Congrats, you found a typo from someone who learned English as a 2nd language. Anti immigrant racism is a new low from you What's next? Make fun of my accent? I guess that's all you can do after getting caught lying.. again... and again... & have nothing left to say on the actual topic The illiteracy is ironic considering your bigotry towards immigrants from Latin America. Guess you aren't much smarter than them, huh.
Thuggin Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 The same centrists who defend voter suppression tactics would have 100% supported poll taxes and literacy tests decades ago
ClashAndBurn Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, BadMonster said: Over here everyone from the age of 14 (if I'm not mistaken) is obligated to have an ID, meaning everyone allowed to vote should already have an ID, so it's not really a hurdle here. Is a voter id different from normal identification papers? Making it harder for a specific group of people is unacceptable A voter ID is something you would have to pay extra money you might not have in order to get. People in this country already live paycheck to paycheck, and that much is true for black people living below the poverty line in inner cities who wouldn’t be in everyday need of a driver’s license. There’s no use for urban-dwelling citizens to have a state-issued ID that’s priced too high for them to afford other than to prevent them from voting.
Communion Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, BadMonster said: IDs are compulsory in The Netherlands and it's blue in that image, so that's incorrect ___________ Let me read up on this a bit The graphic, as I explained to frenchy, are what countries make it compulsory to simply have a state ID as an adult as part of the law. That you in some way need legal documentation of who you are to exist in public. In many countries this is done through giving all citizens a passport. The point to him was that the US is an outlier in not having every adult need some kind of documentation in order to vote *because* we are also an outlier when it comes to if having a national citizen's ID is compulsory and something all citizens must have to be part of public life. Americans love going off the grid. No ID. Burning their mail after opening. There's a weird aversion to the government opting you into programs for free. Even the GOP fights against automatic voter registration, framing it as government overreach. There is unique sensitivity to requiring voter ID in the US not because of "extremeism of the left" but how extreme the US government has been in its aversion of having its citizens document what they do. This is the same country though where people buy hundreds of guns with no paper trail.
Communion Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, frenchyisback said: Congrats, you found a typo from someone who learned English as a 2nd language. No one called you illiterate over a typo. You're being criticized because you refuse to actually read the response being put in front of you, while not even understanding what argument you yourself are trying to make. You said "the far left shapes EXTREME voter laws in the US". You cited the hesitancy people have re: voter ID laws. It's being explained how such hesitancy is not "extreme" but a reaction to America's existing far-right extremism, like being an outlier amongst nations in not providing every citizen with some basic form of ID. Presented to you was a map of what nations make having some kind of basic national ID card a requirement in everyday life. In the US, you do not. This is how we have people who "go off the grid". It's why over 10% of American adults do not have any kind of ID - let alone photo ID - to begin with. Progressives are not against voter ID laws. We understand they're the norm in many countries. We're against the failure of infrastructure in the US compared to those places. Progressives advocate for a national ID system where the fed will mail every American adult a national ID card to use to vote. What we don't support is arbitrary rules that vary state-by-state that are meant to disenfranchise voters like allowing some forms of ID over others. This was the literal same argument re: long periods of early voting. You said early voting was an example of "the far left being EXTREME in America". Again, long early voting is not "extreme"; it's a reaction to the already extreme conservative reality where America refuses to join other nations where elections are national holidays and/or on the weekend. Edited July 6, 2022 by Communion
frenchyisback Posted July 6, 2022 Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, A Bomb said: The illiteracy is ironic considering your bigotry towards immigrants from Latin America. Guess you aren't much smarter than them, huh. I have no problem with Immigrants from Latin America Why wouldn’t they be as smart as anybody else? The left racism jumpin out Edited July 6, 2022 by frenchyisback
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