discussion Kamala says no to federal abortion clinics, tells Dems to vote in November

[BreakinTheIce]

15 hours ago, loveisdead9582 said:

She’s… she’s been disappointing as a VP. While I do admit I haven’t exactly been checking for her, even Mike Pence (who I despise) had more of a presence than she’s had. 

this is some real revisionist history but okay. Pence was never around during Trump's 4 years until the COVID task force, but sure, keep making stuff up  just because you don't pay enough attention to what's going on doesn't make what you think true.

[jadeabove]

3 minutes ago, BreakinTheIce said:

god the people in this thread really are delusional. she wouldn't commit to it RIGHT NOW because they DO NOT have the votes. how hard is this to grasp? they only have 48/50 Democratic senators who would blow the filibuster up. So what she's saying is vote in NOvember to get at least 2 more Dems on the books so they DO have the 50 to blow it up and not worry about Manchin or Sinema. if you actually watched the interview, you'd know that the tweet is misleading, and she "wouldn't go there" *right now* because its futile

 

It's really annoying seeing people live in this fantasy world where there's all these things that they could be doing but aren't. sorry that the admin is trying to reason with people and be realistic about what can and can't be done right now. there's also just as many legal issues with creating abortion clinics on federal land and it likely would not be able to work out.

 

also miss me with any nina turner tweet. she has no right to be giving any opinions after losing two democratic primaries and basically helping Trump get elected in 2016.

Well, you did a better job explaining it than she took the time to. Do you think everyone online or hearing what she's saying will take the time to inform themselves like you did? Hell no, which is precisely the role of practical communication. 

 

I totally understand your frustration, but I really think it's sort of misdirected. Kamala and Biden need to improve the way they communicate their information and their mobilisation efforts. AOC is doing a heck of a better job. 

 

Otherwise, they'll just make people more frustrated which in turns means less people will believe in the power to vote. 

Edited June 28, 2022 by jadeabove

[Dialamba]

I don’t really understand how the US government works. But why are they so powerless. They just have to wait and see. 

[americanlife]

The filibuster should not be carved out for abortion. It’s much smarter to just get rid of the filibuster completely. 

[Horizon Flame]

Did you read the rest? I swear, Progressives have no idea how government works, nor do they care. 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by Horizon Flame

[Azulito]

42 minutes ago, BreakinTheIce said:

god the people in this thread really are delusional. she wouldn't commit to it RIGHT NOW because they DO NOT have the votes. how hard is this to grasp? they only have 48/50 Democratic senators who would blow the filibuster up. So what she's saying is vote in NOvember to get at least 2 more Dems on the books so they DO have the 50 to blow it up and not worry about Manchin or Sinema. if you actually watched the interview, you'd know that the tweet is misleading, and she "wouldn't go there" *right now* because its futile

 

It's really annoying seeing people live in this fantasy world where there's all these things that they could be doing but aren't. sorry that the admin is trying to reason with people and be realistic about what can and can't be done right now. there's also just as many legal issues with creating abortion clinics on federal land and it likely would not be able to work out.

 

also miss me with any nina turner tweet. she has no right to be giving any opinions after losing two democratic primaries and basically helping Trump get elected in 2016.

Do you REALLY think Manchin and Sinema are the only two who oppose getting rid of the filibuster? There were 8 who didn’t even want to raise the minimum wage  

 

Realistically, the only way Roe will ever get codified is with 60+ Democrats, which is definitely NOT happening in November and everyone knows this. They should be doing everything possible NOW to protect women. Telling people there’s nothing we can do does not get people out to vote.

 

And the DNC promoted a loser to be the chairman of the party, so not sure why Nina’s tweets bother you so much  

[Bang Up]

2 hours ago, BreakinTheIce said:

god the people in this thread really are delusional. she wouldn't commit to it RIGHT NOW because they DO NOT have the votes. how hard is this to grasp? they only have 48/50 Democratic senators who would blow the filibuster up. So what she's saying is vote in NOvember to get at least 2 more Dems on the books so they DO have the 50 to blow it up and not worry about Manchin or Sinema. if you actually watched the interview, you'd know that the tweet is misleading, and she "wouldn't go there" *right now* because its futile

 

It's really annoying seeing people live in this fantasy world where there's all these things that they could be doing but aren't. sorry that the admin is trying to reason with people and be realistic about what can and can't be done right now. there's also just as many legal issues with creating abortion clinics on federal land and it likely would not be able to work out.

 

also miss me with any nina turner tweet. she has no right to be giving any opinions after losing two democratic primaries and basically helping Trump get elected in 2016.

YES DRAG THEM. Leftists continue to not understand how the world and US government work.

 

Guess what? The vast majority of federal land is in states that aren't regulating abortions. What the hell would abortion on federal lands do for people living in Texas and Alabama? People would have to travel hundreds of miles. This is not the be all, end all solution leftists think it is. It's yet another half-baked answer that simply wouldn't work. It's almost like Kamala and people in gov't know this.

 

  

16 hours ago, Gaia said:

Yeah... Honestly been as bad as Trump just without the twitter rants.

bullshit. The Trump administration actively went after LGBT people and women. They were trying to setup ways to make it so even doctors and paramedics could deny life-saving care to gay people based on "religious views". Stop with this bullshit. The Biden admin hasn't hurt anyone. 

[BreakinTheIce]

2 hours ago, Marvin said:

Do you REALLY think Manchin and Sinema are the only two who oppose getting rid of the filibuster? There were 8 who didn’t even want to raise the minimum wage  

 

Realistically, the only way Roe will ever get codified is with 60+ Democrats, which is definitely NOT happening in November and everyone knows this. They should be doing everything possible NOW to protect women. Telling people there’s nothing we can do does not get people out to vote.

 

And the DNC promoted a loser to be the chairman of the party, so not sure why Nina’s tweets bother you so much  

Yes, I believe that close to the 48 would blow it up for abortion rights. Nearly all of the Democratic senate is pro-choice. 

 

First of all, no one is saying there is "nothing we can do", Biden/Harris have already mentioned a few things that they CAN do right now (protecting abortion pill sales, making sure women don't get in legal trouble over going to different states, etc.), but the bottom line is there is NOT a lot the federal government can really do. That's why voting is being pushed so far. All these people saying "you could be doing more!" okay well then what? b/c most of those ideas are not realistic ones.

 

Pretty sure the DNC directly did not promote Nina to be a chairman of the party in Ohio. Nina is irrelevant and trying to be relevant and she never will be. She still can't accept the fact that she lost multiple times now.

[BreakinTheIce]

11 minutes ago, Bang Up said:

YES DRAG THEM. Leftists continue to not understand how the world and US government work.

 

Guess what? The vast majority of federal land is in states that aren't regulating abortions. What the hell would abortion on federal lands do for people living in Texas and Alabama? People would have to travel hundreds of miles. This is not the be all, end all solution leftists think it is. It's yet another half-baked answer that simply wouldn't work. It's almost like Kamala and people in gov't know this.

 

  

bullshit. The Trump administration actively went after LGBT people and women. They were trying to setup ways to make it so even doctors and paramedics could deny life-saving care to gay people based on "religious views". Stop with this bullshit. The Biden admin hasn't hurt anyone. 

the way that people throw around "Biden is the same as Trump" is just so asinine I can barely compute it. y'all really must live a god damn privileged life to say something like that and be dead serious about it.

 

you may not love Biden but to even say that with a straight face is terribly insane, especially since you can literally thank Trump for Roe ending. 

 

if y'all would've just voted Hillary into office in 2016 and weren't dicking around, we wouldn't be in this mess.

[BreakinTheIce]

2 hours ago, Dialamba said:

I don’t really understand how the US government works. But why are they so powerless. They just have to wait and see. 

because there is no executive action that can be taken about this. the president isn't a king, or a dictator, so there's only so much he can do unilaterally.

 

people are getting upset about being told to vote but the only MAJOR step that can be taken is for congress to codify Roe, and through that, you need a certain amount of Democratic senators to do it, which we do not have right now. so that's why there is a big emphasis on getting more pro-choice Democratic senators into office this November.

 

there's a lot of keyboard warriors who want to complain on social media all day who do not understand how government works and what *realistically* can be done

[BreakinTheIce]

2 hours ago, jadeabove said:

Well, you did a better job explaining it than she took the time to. Do you think everyone online or hearing what she's saying will take the time to inform themselves like you did? Hell no, which is precisely the role of practical communication. 

 

I totally understand your frustration, but I really think it's sort of misdirected. Kamala and Biden need to improve the way they communicate their information and their mobilisation efforts. AOC is doing a heck of a better job. 

 

Otherwise, they'll just make people more frustrated which in turns means less people will believe in the power to vote. 

I agree that AOC is a great communicator, but Harris said what needed to be said though? She's not messing around with people and making them think that more can be done than what is reality. she's being honest with what is possible. i'm sorry that some people are mad at that but maybe they should be mad at government functions themselves then and not the messengers. 

 

she also outlined what they CAN do, but people don't care. if people really can't be bothered to learn how things work, then that's not my or any politicians fault. its all their own.

[ClashAndBurn]

31 minutes ago, Bang Up said:

YES DRAG THEM. Leftists continue to not understand how the world and US government work.

 

Guess what? The vast majority of federal land is in states that aren't regulating abortions. What the hell would abortion on federal lands do for people living in Texas and Alabama? People would have to travel hundreds of miles. This is not the be all, end all solution leftists think it is. It's yet another half-baked answer that simply wouldn't work. It's almost like Kamala and people in gov't know this.

 

  

bullshit. The Trump administration actively went after LGBT people and women. They were trying to setup ways to make it so even doctors and paramedics could deny life-saving care to gay people based on "religious views". Stop with this bullshit. The Biden admin hasn't hurt anyone. 

The way you people RUN to excuse inaction and impotence.  

[Lost In Paradise]

"We aren't doing it, Joe"

[i spit on haters]

48 minutes ago, BreakinTheIce said:

 

 

if y'all would've just voted Hillary into office in 2016 and weren't dicking around, we wouldn't be in this mess.

lol, exactly. Knew this was coming as I skimmed through your posts. It all comes back to this, doesn't it ? 

[Bang Up]

49 minutes ago, BreakinTheIce said:

Yes, I believe that close to the 48 would blow it up for abortion rights. Nearly all of the Democratic senate is pro-choice. 

 

First of all, no one is saying there is "nothing we can do", Biden/Harris have already mentioned a few things that they CAN do right now (protecting abortion pill sales, making sure women don't get in legal trouble over going to different states, etc.), but the bottom line is there is NOT a lot the federal government can really do. That's why voting is being pushed so far. All these people saying "you could be doing more!" okay well then what? b/c most of those ideas are not realistic ones.

 

Pretty sure the DNC directly did not promote Nina to be a chairman of the party in Ohio. Nina is irrelevant and trying to be relevant and she never will be. She still can't accept the fact that she lost multiple times now.

Right? Even with codification back in 2009, SCOTUS still would've shut that law down. The only chance we had at saving RvW was electing HRC in 2016, and she even said that herself. She warned us this would happen. But people like @ClashAndBurn were part of the group screaming that HRC was just as bad as Trump and both sides were the same... Now they continue to push that narrative while Dems across the country are expanding abortion access while Republicans are limiting it. So much sameness.

 

25 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The way you people RUN to excuse inaction and impotence.  

It's called understanding how the gov't works and living in the real world. The only thing we can do about abortion is go back in time and make sure HRC wins. As of right now, it's in the state's hands and the federal gov't has very little say.

 

See how that works? You leftists live in a fantasy world where Presidents are dictators and can wave their hands to make things happen. We don't and they can't. I'm sure there are plenty of free audiobooks about civics for you to listen to online.

[i spit on haters]

27 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The way you people RUN to excuse inaction and impotence.  

yoU LeFtISTS d0NT uNdersTand hOW PolITICs WoRK!!1 

[Bang Up]

1 minute ago, i spit on haters said:

lol, exactly. Knew this was coming as I skimmed through your posts. It all comes back to this, doesn't it ? 

Yes, because it's 100% true. Had HRC won, she would've had the chance to appoint three SCOTUS justices, which would've meant RvW would've been protected for decades to come. No law, no codification, nothing could've stopped what just happened to RvW. SCOTUS would've shot down any law protecting abortion on a federal level in order to return the choice to the states. I don't get why this is passing you people up other than you simply don't want to accept it.

 

You guys don't understand how our government works. You really, really don't. You present ideas and solutions that would only ever help if we lived in a political utopia, but we don't live in a utopia unfortunately. I mean, ya'll are out here saying we should open abortion clinics on native lands like the colonizers you are, or that we should open abortion clinics on federal land as if the majority of federal land isn't already in states that aren't regulating abortions lol. Yeah, abortion tents in the middle of Yellowstone National Park is such a great idea.  

[BeyIridescent]

3 hours ago, jadeabove said:

It's really weird to see the Democratic party contributing to its own demise. I mean, at this point, it's almost like they don't want to act and take a stance, and they prefer tweeting about how terrible this situation is, without wanting to do anything about it.

Naw they should’ve done something about it in 2016. These people in the forum are blaming the centrist democrats instead of the extreme left wing of the party. The Bernie bros who refused to vote for Hillary as well as the countless black Americans that voted for Obama but not Hillary are to blame. Not to mention the white Karen’s who voted for Trump. 

 

Americans as a whole are responsible for this.

[BreakinTheIce]

13 minutes ago, i spit on haters said:

lol, exactly. Knew this was coming as I skimmed through your posts. It all comes back to this, doesn't it ? 

i dont get why this is funny? Trump literally got to put forth 3 supreme court justices, 3 of whom were pivotal in this decision. if he did not win, there would not be 3 more super conservative justices.

 

why is this hard to comprehend? 

[BreakinTheIce]

42 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The way you people RUN to excuse inaction and impotence.  

this response makes no sense. there seems to be a group of people who keep puling this "YOURE NOT DOING ANYTHING!" schtick but yet cannot come up with exactly *HOW* or *WHAT* there should be happening right now that could ACTUALLY happen. it's armchair punditry at its absolute worst.

 

please enlighten me on what "action" could REALISTICALLY be happening right now. 

 

i really just beg people to come down to earth on this and be real about what is going on.

[KnightOfAllRealms]

Yeah, Trump's coming back in 2024 

[BreakinTheIce]

11 minutes ago, Bang Up said:

Yes, because it's 100% true. Had HRC won, she would've had the chance to appoint three SCOTUS justices, which would've meant RvW would've been protected for decades to come. No law, no codification, nothing could've stopped what just happened to RvW. SCOTUS would've shot down any law protecting abortion on a federal level in order to return the choice to the states. I don't get why this is passing you people up other than you simply don't want to accept it.

 

You guys don't understand how our government works. You really, really don't. You present ideas and solutions that would only ever help if we lived in a political utopia, but we don't live in a utopia unfortunately. I mean, ya'll are out here saying we should open abortion clinics on native lands like the colonizers you are, or that we should open abortion clinics on federal land as if the majority of federal land isn't already in states that aren't regulating abortions lol. Yeah, abortion tents in the middle of Yellowstone National Park is such a great idea.  

the worst was that viral girl who said "Democrats had the chance to codify Roe over the last 20, 30, 40 years and did nothing"

 

which is of course a total rewriting of history and again shows that many people are not interested in the facts of the situation or how government works.

 

(the truth being that Democrats may have had majorities in the past, but never pro-choice majorities... people forget that there were many pro-life democrats in the senate up until the last decade)

Edited June 28, 2022 by BreakinTheIce

[Bang Up]

6 minutes ago, BreakinTheIce said:

i dont get why this is funny? Trump literally got to put forth 3 supreme court justices, 3 of whom were pivotal in this decision. if he did not win, there would not be 3 more super conservative justices.

 

why is this hard to comprehend? 

They think it's funny because they don't care if Republicans take over and morph this country into their own christofascist dreamland as long as it means they get to see Democrats lose. I have a feeling a lot of these leftists are white, cisgender, and possibly come from wealthy families so they know the kinds of changes Republicans want to impose onto us will not really affect them. How progressive of them.

 

3 minutes ago, BreakinTheIce said:

the worst was that viral girl who said "Democrats had the chance to codify Roe over the last 20, 30, 40 years and did nothing"

 

which is of course a total rewriting of history and again shows that many people are not interested in the facts of the situation or how government works.

 

(the truth being that Democrats may have had majorities in the past, but never pro-choice majorities... people forget that there were many pro-life democrats in the senate up until the last decade)

b..b..bb...bbbut you're not allowed to change your views over the years. Bernie's been stuck repeating the same things for 50+ years and that's okay, but Dems can't become more progressive, which is supposedly what they want, without being attacked.

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, BreakinTheIce said:

if y'all would've just voted Hillary into office in 2016 and weren't dicking around, we wouldn't be in this mess.

As a former Hillary shill in 2016, y’all need to retire this talking point (next to the “you just don’t understand how government works” line). Democrats are in power. Their failure to do anything will suppress voter turnout. Their failure to do anything only puts our rights at risk. Excusing their mediocrity doesn’t make you informed.

[chessguy99]

17 hours ago, Jotham said:

Y'all do realize that the Hyde Amendment exists right? It forbids federal funds from being used to pay for abortion except for certain cases such as rape and incest.

All the government could do is lease land to an abortion provider. The provider would have to build a facility from scratch, a very large investment on their part which could be made worthless with a change in administrations. IDT even Planned Parenthood would risk trying something like this.