discussion SCOTUS could strip Biden & EPA of their power to regulate climate change

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[nathanspears]

What’s even the point of having a president anymore? The SC are just going to do whatever they want going forward.

[byzantium]

F*ck the US Supreme Court.  

[Squall]

The US system is so weird, judges being nominated by US presidents for life with this kind of power…  

[Valentine]

The 2016 election destroyed America

[RockStarShit101]

4 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Democrats keep telling people to vote. But what even is the point? People are going to lose everything to the whims and fancies of republicans regardless of who is in power 

they are actually right!

vote in your state to elect the right people, so if the SC overturns an importing issue, then the state will keep it legal like the state California and NY,

but I'm not American and I don't have enough info about the US, but that's what I know.

[Bang Up]

15 minutes ago, nathanspears said:

What’s even the point of having a president anymore? The SC are just going to do whatever they want going forward.

Well, the point was not to elect Trump in 2016 but here we are.

 

3 minutes ago, Paranoid Android said:

Democrats keep telling people to vote. But what even is the point? People are going to lose everything to the whims and fancies of republicans regardless of who is in power 

What is the point? Voting for Dems who will pass bills for Biden to sign is the point. A law that is passed is much, much harder to strike down via SCOTUS than a regulation or previous precedent.

 

But you're right overall. It's scary to think that any progression we make can be struck down by a radical right-wing SCOTUS.

 

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They will strike it down and progressives will blame Biden.  

[nathanspears]

4 minutes ago, Bang Up said:

A law that is passed is much, much harder to strike down via SCOTUS than a regulation or previous precedent.

Wait, I thought abortion rights was a law? Was it not?

Edited June 27, 2022 by nathanspears

[Badgalbriel]

20 minutes ago, nathanspears said:

Wait, I thought abortion rights was a law? Was it not?

No. It was a decision of the Supreme Court, years and years ago. 

[Communion]

32 minutes ago, Valentine said:

The 2016 election destroyed America

Sadly it seems the court was already much more conservative than many members wanted to let on even before 2016 given that a pre-Trump SCOTUS is who halted the Clean Power Plan despite being part of thr majority who previously decided in favor of the EPA years and years beforehand. 

 

 

If Democrats want people to vote, they need to illustrate a clear plan on how we overcome this. Talk in specific details about proposals to reform the judicial branch and end its overreach. 

[nathanspears]

4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

No. It was a decision of the Supreme Court, years and years ago. 

 

So it was not a law... but it was still legally bounding? The US system is so weird

 

[Rev8]

1 hour ago, nathanspears said:

What’s even the point of having a president anymore? The SC are just going to do whatever they want going forward.

What's the point of Democrats as a whole tbh

[Communion]

7 minutes ago, nathanspears said:

 

So it was not a law... but it was still legally bounding? The US system is so weird

 

The Supreme Court interprets the law and their interpretation oversees that of the country as its highest court. 

 

They had found in the various cases brought before them that states attempting to do things like make gay marriage illegal or make abortion before the end of the second trimester illegal were unconstitutional. Thus it became that states could no longer do these things as the reversal was now de-facto the law of the land. IE: it's unconstitutional to ban gay marriage, thus no states could legally ban it and gay marriage is de-facto legal. 

 

For abortion, it was a death by a thousand cuts, where red states instead pushed more and more restrictions to access like laws that a doctor must make a woman hear the fetus' heartbeat before she is allowed to decide, extended wait periods from request.for the procedure versus when it could be done, etc. And then when one of these restrictions would be unchallenged or allowed to stand cause it was passed back down by the court, more and more red states would copy it and pick it up. 

 

Most of these lawsuits or laws were funded by elite organizations funded by the Christian elite with the intent to trigger a case that could be brought forward to the SCOTUS and allow them to make the decision they did. Basically not that abortion is illegal but that its decision that banning abortion in the way they previously deemed as unconstitutional was outside of the jurisdiction of the court and an overreach of its powers, with many of the conservative judges arguing yhst the SCOTUS asserted that there exist a fundamental right within the constitution that does not actually exist on the basis that abortion does not exist within the "historical tradition of America".

[UnusualBoy]

Why does US stays being a mess?

[Bloodflowers.]

A joke

[Blue Monday]

1 hour ago, Valentine said:

The 2016 election destroyed America

TBH America has basically been on this course since Reagan

[Temporal]

Jesus Christ, we are so colossally ******

[Velvet Night]

The impact of this ruling will go beyond the US as the country is one of the top producers of climate-damaging emissions globally. **** SCOTUS

[Archetype]

FYI regulating carbon emissions is only a tiny percentage of what the EPA actually does, but yes this would be bad.

[Robert]

US really isn’t a democracy. 6 maniacs are taking it into the dark ages.

[A Bomb]

Disgusting pos. Is Biden going to continue that they can’t do anything about the court??