discussion Should Russia be kicked out of Europe?

[ontherocks]

10 minutes ago, Severus Snape said:

If you want the world to end by 2030 then yes, 

 

I'm not simping or victimising Russia, but if as an Ukrainian (I think you are?) you can see how beneficial opening towards the EU can be, then you should be able to want it too for Russia. Politically it is held back, but its geopolitical predisposition makes it more European than asian. Only the central asian and eastern territories of Russia could be seen as completely not European, but then again I feel like when most of us speak about Russia we are talking about the 90% of its located in the Moscow vicinity. 

You simply don't understand the Russian mindset and mentality. Russians can not be pleased until you give them what they want, all of it. Negotiations with Russia look like this: they tell you their demands, you agree and sign the paper. They have been too powerful for way too long, now it's time to bring that entire nation down 

[Cryptique]

I voted for yes but when i think about it, the people of Russia deserved better govt

 

Remove PUTIN and his people instead

[*Tim]

Yes, switch them around with Australia. We like them more and they're in Eurovision already so it makes a lot of sense!

[Cryptique]

42 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Russia already doesn’t consider themselves apart of Europe. There’s Europe, and then there’s Russia - and I don’t mean this as shade, this is literally how people there see the world.

Wait, you got a point.. 

 

I mean they don't want UKRAINE to join European Union

[omni]

Are you wanting to dig their border and push them away so that they become an island?

[ZIVERT]

Even when Russians travel to European countries, they talk about how they’re “traveling to Europe.” «В Европе» is seen as anything that isn’t a former Soviet republic. They also learn about Eurasia as one continent, rather than Europe and Asia being separate, because it feeds into their national identity as Russians being separate and unique from both Europeans and Asians.

[Almighty Gaga]

That's not how geography works.

[AlanRickman1946]

1 hour ago, Severus Snape said:

Putin is a feather compared to the oligarchs, they are the ones who hold the heavy weight on the Russian political landscape. Thats also why I think that sanctions should only be thrown at them, not the people, since Putin doesn't care much about public opinion. Kicking Russia out would harm the people, the European Union and European values (embedded in those countries surrounding the EU too) are made for the people first. Thats what Putin wants, to keep Europe on the line, so it can benefit the oligarchs enough to keep their business going, but not the people's freedoms. 

I think they(The US) want the people to revolt and push for regime change. Didn't the Libyans kill Gaddafi themselves?

[Badgalbriel]

15 minutes ago, Almighty Gaga said:

That's not how geography works.

 

1 hour ago, ontherocks said:

What are we supposed to do? Invent an ocean to separate Europe and Asia? 

 

And I mean ok, If we invented this new ocean, wouldn't that mean we would push everybody else more east? New Zealand would just fall over and disappear, no? Kinda like Lorde with Melodramatica, bless her heart

 

 

 

1 hour ago, tiagol88 said:

Came here to ask that..how and who would even have the ability to kick a country out of a continent? 

 

55 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Geography doesn't work like that sis

 

39 minutes ago, Star dance said:

not possible, this is just geography and most of the people, political power and culture of russia comes from europan( russian for exmple is from the slavic family)

You guys talking about "how geography works" as if geography is an exact science 

 

Geography is a political construction. The definition of what is Europe and what is Asia, what separate them is not a science, it's a social construction. It was defined by men for cultural and political reasons. If we go for a scientific approach, Europe and Asia are just one big mass of land, Eurasia.

 

Of course Russia can be kicked out of Europe if people wanted that. The same way for some people there is the unified American Continent and for other people, there's the North and South American Continent. It's politics. The Urals is just what MEN chose to be the defining border between Europe and Asia. If people wanted to, they could just say that a river will now be the border and people would just have to deal with it. 

[sugarysunflower]

why should the majority of Russia have to continuously suffer at the blithe disregard of its political leaders and elites?

[byzantium]

Since when are we in control of how the earth's crust shifts?

[Tropez]

1 hour ago, Saddy said:

Putin should be removed not Russia

Most Russians are like Putin ideologically.  You replace him and another power hungry  oligarch pops up. Russia has never been a liberal democracy, we are expecting too much of them. 

[Tropez]

22 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

 

 

 

 

You guys talking about "how geography works" as if geography is an exact science 

 

Geography is a political construction. The definition of what is Europe and what is Asia, what separate them is not a science, it's a social construction. It was defined by men for cultural and political reasons. If we go for a scientific approach, Europe and Asia are just one big mass of land, Eurasia.

 

Of course Russia can be kicked out of Europe if people wanted that. The same way for some people there is the unified American Continent and for other people, there's the North and South American Continent. It's politics. The Urals is just what MEN chose to be the defining border between Europe and Asia. If people wanted to, they could just say that a river will now be the border and people would just have to deal with it. 

At least North and South American make sense. The Darian Gap is impassible. You pretty much can’t travel from North America to South America by land you’ll likely die. Europe and Asia is a culture definition like you said. Europeans are essentially West Asians. 

[Kevin Parker]

2 hours ago, DUA LIPA said:

they‘re separated by the urals which made it hard to cross over from one land mass to the other.

also Christians and Muslims didn‘t exist when the terms asia and europe were used to divide the land masses meeting at the mediterranean.

Thank you. OP serving ignorance.

[illia]

whether you like it or not a part of Russia will always be in Europe geographically

[EtherealCat]

time to get the diggers out and make a big trench around it 

[Cloudy]

1 hour ago, *Tim said:

Yes, switch them around with Australia. We like them more and they're in Eurovision already so it makes a lot of sense!

Tea 

 

1 hour ago, omni said:

Are you wanting to dig their border and push them away so that they become an island?

It would be a dream to push them to the east so they can crash into Alaska, that way the USA and them can fight and bomb themselves to their hearts content

[Brishka]

Absolutely. It's a terrorist state. Although, I doubt that people actually view it as a European country.  

[popstar]

Yes, time to dig a new river or ocean to remove ha

[Badgalbriel]

1 hour ago, Tropez said:

At least North and South American make sense. The Darian Gap is impassible. You pretty much can’t travel from North America to South America by land you’ll likely die. Europe and Asia is a culture definition like you said. Europeans are essentially West Asians. 

Yeah, but even if you cross the Darien Gap, you're still in South America. The division is higher up on the map, in the center of Panama.

[bidet]

the OP serving American 

[Ricky Wilson]

Western europeans being racist towards Esstern europeans? SHOCKING!

 

OT: No, Europe shouldn’t let go of the home country of t.A.T.u.  

[Dialamba]

Geographically no, I don’t think it happened with any countries, I don’t know why it should be different for Russia. Also if you talk about the E.U, Russia isn’t a part of it. 
 

Russian don’t even consider themselves European, there had been a lot of conflits between Russia and the E.U.  
 

 

Edited June 17, 2022 by Dialamba

[Bloodflowers.]

No, Russia is a white people's problem. Asians don't want anything to do with them and their mess.

[Mr.Link]

The dumb obsession this site has with continents  they’re not real, they hold no geopolitical significance. They’re just names on a map written centuries ago. 

 

Even then, Russia hasn’t identified as  “European” for the last 100 years