Revolution Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 As you know, Europe and Asia are not literally physically separated like the other continents but Europe is a cultural term invented in the 700s when Christians were fighting Muslims. Now that Europeans are fighting Russia instead and Putin is telling Russians to look East, should Russia be removed from the continent?
loliza Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 No, most of russian people still leave in europe. And second what kind of ****** up question is this, it's grography not an organization
DUA LIPA Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Revolution said: As you know, Europe and Asia are not literally physically separated like the other continents but Europe is a cultural term invented in the 700s when Christians were fighting Muslims. they‘re separated by the urals which made it hard to cross over from one land mass to the other. also Christians and Muslims didn‘t exist when the terms asia and europe were used to divide the land masses meeting at the mediterranean.
ontherocks Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) What are we supposed to do? Invent an ocean to separate Europe and Asia? And I mean ok, If we invented this new ocean, wouldn't that mean we would push everybody else more east? New Zealand would just fall over and disappear, no? Kinda like Lorde with Melodramatica, bless her heart Edited June 17, 2022 by ontherocks
ZIVERT Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 Russia already doesn’t consider themselves apart of Europe. There’s Europe, and then there’s Russia - and I don’t mean this as shade, this is literally how people there see the world.
tiagol88 Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, ontherocks said: What are we supposed to do? Invent an ocean to separate Europe and Asia? Came here to ask that..how and who would even have the ability to kick a country out of a continent?
ontherocks Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, tiagol88 said: Came here to ask that..how and who would even have the ability to kick a country out of a continent? I have tried to be a taD more scientific about it in the rest of my post.
Severus Snape Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Saddy said: Putin should be removed not Russia Putin is a feather compared to the oligarchs, they are the ones who hold the heavy weight on the Russian political landscape. Thats also why I think that sanctions should only be thrown at them, not the people, since Putin doesn't care much about public opinion. Kicking Russia out would harm the people, the European Union and European values (embedded in those countries surrounding the EU too) are made for the people first. Thats what Putin wants, to keep Europe on the line, so it can benefit the oligarchs enough to keep their business going, but not the people's freedoms.
ontherocks Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Severus Snape said: Putin is a feather compared to the oligarchs, they are the ones who hold the heavy weight on the Russian political landscape. Thats also why I think that sanctions should only be thrown at them, not the people, since Putin doesn't care much about public opinion. Kicking Russia out would harm the people, the European Union and European values (embedded in those countries surrounding the EU too) are made for the people first. Thats what Putin wants, to keep Europe on the line, so it can benefit the oligarchs enough to keep their business going, but not the people's freedoms. Oligarchs aren't that powerful politically anymore in Russia. Most of them became ones by the goodwill of Putin. He has them in the palm of his hand. Edited June 17, 2022 by ontherocks
Severus Snape Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: Russia already doesn’t consider themselves apart of Europe. There’s Europe, and then there’s Russia - and I don’t mean this as shade, this is literally how people there see the world. only after the second world war, thats propaganda that they want you to believe. In reality Russia is as connected to Europe as any other eastern state, if not more. Geographically it also holds most of its population in European peninsular soil. I think you are confusing politics with everything else that goes on in the real world.
Severus Snape Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, ontherocks said: Oligarchs aren't that powerful anymore in Russia. Most of them became ones by the goodwill of Putin. He has them in the Palm of his hand. I wouldn't think so, but so far we haven't seen any divergence of interests between Putin and the Oligarchs so its hard to tell I guess. but the oligarchs represent the corporate Russia in a way, and in a globalised world thats how power works.
ontherocks Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Severus Snape said: I wouldn't think so, but so far we haven't seen any divergence of interests between Putin and the Oligarchs so its hard to tell I guess. but the oligarchs represent the corporate Russia in a way, and in a globalised world thats how power works. Abramovich says hi and the plethora of them who left the country towards UAE. Edited June 17, 2022 by ontherocks
ZIVERT Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, Severus Snape said: only after the second world war, thats propaganda that they want you to believe. In reality Russia is as connected to Europe as any other eastern state, if not more. Geographically it also holds most of its population in European peninsular soil. I think you are confusing politics with everything else that goes on in the real world. I have (unfortunately) lived in Russia, and this is what every Russian person always says. It’s apart of their victim mentality national identity, that Europe turns their back on Russia, but Russia is strong and doesn’t need Europe. And you can see it even if you visit Russia, St. Petersburg is their only “European”’ city, but even that’s a stretch. The mentality is not European, and neither are the vibes or aesthetic of their cities. But the way you always simp for Russia and try to victimize them is so
Severus Snape Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, ontherocks said: Abramovich says hi and the plethora of them who left the country towards UAE. but thats thanks to the sanctions that are taking place right now, so somehow it shows that its working, Putin seems very investable right now. It proves that the synergy between the two is real
ontherocks Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, Severus Snape said: but thats thanks to the sanctions that are taking place right now, so somehow it shows that its working, Putin seems very investable right now. It proves that the synergy between the two is real But they can't do him any harm. Abramovich was very careful, still clear and they poisened him. To give him a little reminder, just in case he forgot with who he's dealing with. The Russian government has no issues to kill dozens of oligarchs, If that's what they have to do.
Severus Snape Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, infrared said: Combine Russia and China, problem solved If you want the world to end by 2030 then yes, 2 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: I have (unfortunately) lived in Russia, and this is what every Russian person always says. It’s apart of their victim mentality national identity, that Europe turns their back on Russia, but Russia is strong and doesn’t need Europe. And you can see it even if you visit Russia, St. Petersburg is their only “European”’ city, but even that’s a stretch. The mentality is not European, and neither are the vibes or aesthetic of their cities. But the way you always simp for Russia and try to victimize them is so I'm not simping or victimising Russia, but if as an Ukrainian (I think you are?) you can see how beneficial opening towards the EU can be, then you should be able to want it too for Russia. Politically it is held back, but its geopolitical predisposition makes it more European than asian. Only the central asian and eastern territories of Russia could be seen as completely not European, but then again I feel like when most of us speak about Russia we are talking about the 90% of its located in the Moscow vicinity.
LeMésTragique Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 They kicked themselves from "declining ungodly Gayrope that is being Islamified" a long time ago, so it's little too late for that.
Star dance Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 not possible, this is just geography and most of the people, political power and culture of russia comes from europan( russian for exmple is from the slavic family)
ZIVERT Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Severus Snape said: If you want the world to end by 2030 then yes, I'm not simping or victimising Russia, but if as an Ukrainian (I think you are?) you can see how beneficial opening towards the EU can be, then you should be able to want it too for Russia. Politically it is held back, but its geopolitical predisposition makes it more European than asian. Only the central asian and eastern territories of Russia could be seen as completely not European, but then again I feel like when most of us speak about Russia we are talking about the 90% of its located in the Moscow vicinity. You have been called out for spreading Russian propaganda on ATRL before, and here it’s no different. Geographically, Moscow and St. Petersburg are in Europe, but culturally Russians don’t identify as European. This geographical argument is a straw man. Saudi Arabia and China are both in Asia, but you can’t say that both have Asian culture. Or the same for Morocco and Liberia, both are African countries but don’t share “African culture.” Different mentalities, different cultures, different ways of seeing the world. Ask a Russian personally if they see themselves as European or as Russian, and see what they say.
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