discussion Massive POC migration/admixture in Roman Italy

[Aethereal]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aay6826

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi7673

 

Latins and Etruscans were more European and French-like.

 

Central Italians were similar to Southern Italian in Late Antiquity but later in Middle Ages Northern Italian and Germanic admixture pulled them more north.

 

The origin, development, and legacy of the enigmatic Etruscan civilization from the central region of the Italian peninsula known as Etruria have been debated for centuries. Here we report a genomic time transect of 82 individuals spanning almost two millennia (800 BCE to 1000 CE) across Etruria and southern Italy. During the Iron Age, we detect a component of Indo-European–associated steppe ancestry and the lack of recent Anatolian-related admixture among the putative non–Indo-European–speaking Etruscans. Despite comprising diverse individuals of central European, northern African, and Near Eastern ancestry, the local gene pool is largely maintained across the first millennium BCE. This drastically changes during the Roman Imperial period where we report an abrupt population-wide shift to ~50% admixture with eastern Mediterranean ancestry. Last, we identify northern European components appearing in central Italy during the Early Middle Ages, which thus formed the genetic landscape of present-day Italian populations.

 

Rome:

Tuscany:

[Revolution]

Well, the Romans weren't a European empire, per se. They were a Mediterranean empire. It wasn't until after the Great Migration when Germanic tribes rushed into Roman empire being chased out by the Huns when we had anything ethnically resembling Europe today.

[Aethereal]

Just now, Revolution said:

Well, the Romans weren't a European empire, per se. They were a Mediterranean empire. It wasn't until after the Great Migration when Germanic tribes rushed into Roman empire being chased out by the Huns when we had anything ethnically resembling Europe today.

Latins and Etruscans were genetically European or Western Mediterranean. Goths and Longboards were not that numerous in Italy. Few percentages. 

Tuscans in Late Antiquity were similar to Southern Italian (60% Etruscan + 40% East Med) and during the Middle Ages it became the center of Renaissance and attracted large number of Northern Italians which pulled them north and some Germanic admixture made it there during the migration period. 

 

Even Northern Italians have some Levantine and Anatolian admixture due to Roman slavery but less than other regions. 

[ProudLBS]

so Italians are POC 

[Aethereal]

6 minutes ago, ProudLBS said:

so Italians are POC 

 Even Northern Italians have 10% POC ancestry. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7666029/New-study-reveals-incredible-genetic-diversity-ancient-Romans.html

 

No European city matched the population of Rome until the 19th century. 

Edited June 14, 2022 by Aristotle

[Domination]

Northern Mediterranean Empire has high amount of Eastern Mediterranean admixture?  Perhaps this could explain why these two populations share many traits to this very day!

 

Alert the media!

[Aren]

Roman-era Middle East was very different than present day Middle East. That was centuries before the Arab conquest and the Arab slave trade that demographically changed the region. The people Romans mixed with would’ve looked more like Tony Shalhoub and Kathy Najimy (Lebanese Christians) than like Osama Bin Laden.

Edited June 14, 2022 by Aren

[AlanRickman1946]

29 minutes ago, Aren said:

Roman-era Middle East was very different than present day Middle East. That was centuries before the Arab conquest and the Arab slave trade that demographically changed the region. The people Romans mixed with would’ve looked more like Tony Shalhoub and Kathy Najimy (Lebanese Christians) than like Osama Bin Laden.

How would their light skin tolerate the hot sun though?

[Aethereal]

5 hours ago, Aren said:

Roman-era Middle East was very different than present day Middle East. That was centuries before the Arab conquest and the Arab slave trade that demographically changed the region. The people Romans mixed with would’ve looked more like Tony Shalhoub and Kathy Najimy (Lebanese Christians) than like Osama Bin Laden.

Not very different. Lebanese Muslims are very similar to Lebanese Christians and and Palestinians are not extremely different from Ancient Levantines even though they  diverge more than the Lebanese do (Palestinians have some Northern African, Saudi and maybe minor Black/East African admixture). But most of their ancestry is Levantine-like. Osama Bin Laden was not from Levant.

 

Levant is not that different from ancient times genetically. 

[arceus]

That explains why Italian men are hot.