satellites.™ Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Quote There is only one Supreme per generation. Once one dies (moves on from music) the next in line is given her powers. The Supreme is decided through the test of the Seven Wonders. Seven Wonders of Pop Supremacy (in order of easiest to hardest and inclusive of all time periods) remember to be Supreme one must have conquered all seven wonders at some point... 1. Popularity: magazine covers, social media followers 2. Radio Power: single success, charting stats, multiple high peaks 3. Award Wins: Oscar, Grammy, VMAs, Billboard Milestones 4. Sales: certifications, video views, and confirmed units sold 5. Live Performance: live vocal/dance/instrumental ability 6. Iconic Imagery: widely known and recognized pop culture moments or looks 7. Touring Power: stadium grosses, total touring numbers Quote Despite the number of female artists with massive singles, albums and eras in the last 60 years, only 18 have one or more tours/residencies that grossed +$100 million. Per decade 60s: Barbra Streisand & Cher 70s: Tina Turner 80s: Madonna & Celine Dion. 90s: Britney Spears, Shania Twain, Shakira & Jlo, 2000s: Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Pink, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Katy Perry, Helene Fischer & Adele 2010s: Ariana Grande Tina Turner (trailed by Diana Ross & Cher) Madonna (trailed by Whitney Houston & Mariah Carey) Beyonce (trailed by Pink & Shakira) Taylor Swift (trailed by Lady Gaga & Rihanna) Next up? Edited May 24, 2023 by satellites.™
yeezytaughtme Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 I think Rihanna deserves to be one of them tbh.
gustavothehuman Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, yeezytaughtme said: I think Rihanna deserves to be one of them tbh. The 8th wonder is not pretending you will come back to music while clearly dedicating yourself to panties full-time, Rihanna has not mastered it Edited June 14, 2022 by gustavothehuman
satellites.™ Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, yeezytaughtme said: I think Rihanna deserves to be one of them tbh. As soon as she tours stadiums she will be.
sasashite Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 Don't know much about Tina Turner but the rest is right.
satellites.™ Posted June 14, 2022 Author Posted June 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, sasashite said: Don't know much about Tina Turner but the rest is right. First main girl to cover Rolling Stone, she also famously played the iconic Woodstock concert, think Coachella before its time. She is one of the first and only pop girls to tour stadiums globally. Private Dancer, her most iconic album, happened when she was 45... do you hear me, 45 lol. Widely considered the Queen of Rock and ranked the 17th GOAT by Rolling Stone when it had actual clout and mattered.
RihFenty20 Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 In what world is Rihanna not one of the four when she has literally outsold Taylor (pure records. If you want to talk albums, she sold more albums outside of the USA), has more iconic imagery and more iconic live performances (in fact, I can’t think of any Taylor performance that would be considered iconic, which is not surprising considering she can’t even sing). Not to mention Rihanna is the Queen of Radio and has like 20 vogue amongst other prestigious mag covers. She’s also the 2nd most followed musician on Facebook and soon Twitter (Trailing Katy) and would’ve been higher on Instagram if they didn’t ban her for half a year and if her @ was just Rihanna instead of badgalriri. This Taylor placement is giving delusion cause based on your own criteria, Taylor’s only beating Rih in 2 (Tours, Awards) maybe 3 (Sales; If you want to include streams) areas. Rihanna dominates her in the other. Plus Rih is no slouch in the areas that Taylor has her beat. 400M from tours, a bunch of Grammies, AMAS, VMAS, BB awards etc and amazing pure sales and streams despite only 1 streaming era project at the very beginning to Taylor’s 6 (none of which, have managed to outstream ANTi) and don’t even get me started on Rih’s accomplishments outside of music that has the girls following in her foot step and watching her every move to see what they can be “inspired” by next. Yes, it’s definitely giving delusion.
yeezytaughtme Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, RihFenty20 said: In what world is Rihanna not one of the four when she has literally outsold Taylor (pure records. If you want to talk albums, she sold more albums outside of the USA), has more iconic imagery and more iconic live performances (in fact, I can’t think of any Taylor performance that would be considered iconic, which is not surprising considering she can’t even sing). Not to mention Rihanna is the Queen of Radio and has like 20 vogue amongst other prestigious mag covers. She’s also the 2nd most followed musician on Facebook and soon Twitter (Trailing Katy) and would’ve been higher on Instagram if they didn’t ban her for half a year and if her @ was just Rihanna instead of badgalriri. This Taylor placement is giving delusion cause based on your own criteria, Taylor’s only beating Rih in 2 (Tours, Awards) maybe 3 (Sales; If you want to include streams) areas. Rihanna dominates her in the other. Plus Rih is no slouch in the areas that Taylor has her beat. 400M from tours, a bunch of Grammies, AMAS, VMAS, BB awards etc and amazing pure sales and streams despite only 1 streaming era project at the very beginning to Taylor’s 6 (none of which, have managed to outstream ANTi) and don’t even get me started on Rih’s accomplishments outside of music that has the girls following in her foot step and watching her every move to see what they can be “inspired” by next. Yes, it’s definitely giving delusion. The correct facts all right here someone with knowledge
Headlock Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, RihFenty20 said: In what world is Rihanna not one of the four when she has literally outsold Taylor (pure records. If you want to talk albums, she sold more albums outside of the USA), has more iconic imagery and more iconic live performances (in fact, I can’t think of any Taylor performance that would be considered iconic, which is not surprising considering she can’t even sing). Not to mention Rihanna is the Queen of Radio and has like 20 vogue amongst other prestigious mag covers. She’s also the 2nd most followed musician on Facebook and soon Twitter (Trailing Katy) and would’ve been higher on Instagram if they didn’t ban her for half a year and if her @ was just Rihanna instead of badgalriri. This Taylor placement is giving delusion cause based on your own criteria, Taylor’s only beating Rih in 2 (Tours, Awards) maybe 3 (Sales; If you want to include streams) areas. Rihanna dominates her in the other. Plus Rih is no slouch in the areas that Taylor has her beat. 400M from tours, a bunch of Grammies, AMAS, VMAS, BB awards etc and amazing pure sales and streams despite only 1 streaming era project at the very beginning to Taylor’s 6 (none of which, have managed to outstream ANTi) and don’t even get me started on Rih’s accomplishments outside of music that has the girls following in her foot step and watching her every move to see what they can be “inspired” by next. Yes, it’s definitely giving delusion. To be a supreme you have to, you know, make music
iammadmat Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) Taylor doesn’t have number 5 and 6 imo. Edited June 14, 2022 by iammadmat Edit
LesFleur Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) There will only ever be these Supremes. - Most successful US group of all-time - 20 million-selling singles - 12 #1s on US Hot 100 (20 top 10s, 45 entries) - 3 #1 US albums on BB200 (8 top 10s, 37 entries) - First girl group to top Billboard 200 - Estimated 100 million records sold WW - #17 Greatest of all time on Hot 100 Artists - #26 Greatest of all time Billboard Artists - 8 #1 songs in Canada (19 top 10s, 36 entries) - 3 top 10 albums (14 entries) - 3 UK #1 albums (6 top 10s, 19 top 40s, 254 weeks in top 75) - 1 UK #1 single (13 top 10s, 30 top 40s, 306 weeks in top 75) - UK post-prime certifications in the digital era (since 2005): Platinum ("You Can't Hurry Love"), Gold ("Baby Love"), Silver ("Where Did Our Love Go", "Stop! In the Name of Love") - UK post-prime album certifcations: 1 Platinum, 3 Gold, 2 Silver - 3 #1 songs in New Zealand (1 Platinum and top 10 album) - 3 #1 songs in Singapore - 9 top 10 singles in Iceland - 4 top 10 singles in the Netherlands (16 top 40s) - 3 top 10 singles in Australia (26 entries) - 2 top 10 albums in Norway (4 top 20s) - 11 top 50 singles in Belgium (Wallonia) The iconic trio: - Florence Ballard (right) - Mary Wilson (middle) - Diana Ross (left) The early Primettes years - Betty McGlown (The Primettes) - Barbara Martin (The Primettes) - Cindy Birdsong - Jean Terrell - Lynda Laurence - Scherrie Payne - Susaye Greene Through the years - 1 picture per lineup: Edited June 14, 2022 by LesFleur
LCTV Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, RihFenty20 said: In what world is Rihanna not one of the four when she has literally outsold Taylor (pure records. If you want to talk albums, she sold more albums outside of the USA), has more iconic imagery and more iconic live performances (in fact, I can’t think of any Taylor performance that would be considered iconic, which is not surprising considering she can’t even sing). Not to mention Rihanna is the Queen of Radio and has like 20 vogue amongst other prestigious mag covers. She’s also the 2nd most followed musician on Facebook and soon Twitter (Trailing Katy) and would’ve been higher on Instagram if they didn’t ban her for half a year and if her @ was just Rihanna instead of badgalriri. This Taylor placement is giving delusion cause based on your own criteria, Taylor’s only beating Rih in 2 (Tours, Awards) maybe 3 (Sales; If you want to include streams) areas. Rihanna dominates her in the other. Plus Rih is no slouch in the areas that Taylor has her beat. 400M from tours, a bunch of Grammies, AMAS, VMAS, BB awards etc and amazing pure sales and streams despite only 1 streaming era project at the very beginning to Taylor’s 6 (none of which, have managed to outstream ANTi) and don’t even get me started on Rih’s accomplishments outside of music that has the girls following in her foot step and watching her every move to see what they can be “inspired” by next. Yes, it’s definitely giving delusion. if someone is beating someone in 3 categories as you said.. is that not indeed TRAILING?
RihFenty20 Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, LCTV said: if someone is beating someone in 3 categories as you said.. is that not indeed TRAILING? There's 7 categories total. Rih has 4/7 for sure and has very good stats in the remaining 3. Taylor has 2/7 for sure but does not have similar stats especially regarding iconic imagery and performances. It should be Taylor Trailing Rih not the other way around. Edited June 14, 2022 by RihFenty20
PoisonedIvy Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, RihFenty20 said: In what world is Rihanna not one of the four when she has literally outsold Taylor (pure records. If you want to talk albums, she sold more albums outside of the USA), has more iconic imagery and more iconic live performances (in fact, I can’t think of any Taylor performance that would be considered iconic, which is not surprising considering she can’t even sing). Not to mention Rihanna is the Queen of Radio and has like 20 vogue amongst other prestigious mag covers. She’s also the 2nd most followed musician on Facebook and soon Twitter (Trailing Katy) and would’ve been higher on Instagram if they didn’t ban her for half a year and if her @ was just Rihanna instead of badgalriri. This Taylor placement is giving delusion cause based on your own criteria, Taylor’s only beating Rih in 2 (Tours, Awards) maybe 3 (Sales; If you want to include streams) areas. Rihanna dominates her in the other. Plus Rih is no slouch in the areas that Taylor has her beat. 400M from tours, a bunch of Grammies, AMAS, VMAS, BB awards etc and amazing pure sales and streams despite only 1 streaming era project at the very beginning to Taylor’s 6 (none of which, have managed to outstream ANTi) and don’t even get me started on Rih’s accomplishments outside of music that has the girls following in her foot step and watching her every move to see what they can be “inspired” by next. Yes, it’s definitely giving delusion. Let’s take a look at the OP Criteria: 1. Popularity: magazine covers, social media followers Rih and Taylor are about equal here. Rih beats Taylor on Twitter by 16M, Tay beats Rih on IG by 83M, and Taylor has has way more Youtube and Facebook likes. But that counterbalances with Rih’s magazine covers. So we’ll call this a tie. 2. Radio Power: single success, charting stats, multiple high peaks Rihanna has more #1s, but Taylor has more top 10s and 20s. I’ll give this win to Rih though just for the sake of fairness. 3. Award Wins: Oscar, Grammy, VMAs, Billboard Milestones Taylor by far has more awards, both in quantity and prestige. This is a Taylor win. 4. Sales: certifications, video views, and confirmed units sold Taylor has sold more albums. Rihanna has sold more singles, and, by your definition, more “pure records.” OP lists the criteria as confirmed UNITS sold, however, and if we’re going by units, Taylor wins here. 5. Live Performance: live vocal/dance/instrumental ability They are both mediocre let’s be real here. But I’ll give you Rihanna I guess? (Even though Taylor has way WAY more talent when it comes to live instruments and they’re both equally mediocre vocalists. Rih has more natural rhythm I guess. They’re both mediocre and I would rather call this a tie. But I’ll let rih have this win.) 6. Iconic Imagery: widely known and recognized pop culturemoments or looks Rihanna might have more known “looks” but the OP also specifies culture moments, and Taylor has quite a few of those. The 2009 VMAs, her political debut, snakegate, her open letter to Apple Music, her Spotify catalogue removal, etc. Rihanna’s biggest “moment” has (unfortunately) always been the Chris Brown incident. but we can even call this a tie because of Rihanna’s iconic looks. 7. Touring Power: stadium grosses, total touring numbers This is Taylor by far. You mention Rihanna having 400M in tour gross, well Taylor has more than DOUBLED that in the same amount of time ($900M+ from 2007 to 2018). So this is a win for Taylor. Taylor wins (or ties) #s: 1, 3, 4, 6, and 7 Rih wins (or ties) #s: 1, 2, 5, and 6 Following OP’s criteria, even being generous to Rih this comes out as 5-4 in favor of Taylor and that’s with me giving Category 5 to Rih for literally no reason. Edited June 14, 2022 by WeFoundTrouble
RihFenty20 Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said: Let’s take a look at the OP Criteria: 1. Popularity: magazine covers, social media followers Rih and Taylor are about equal here. Rih beats Taylor on Twitter by 16M, Tay beats Rih on IG by 83M, and Taylor has has way more Youtube and Facebook likes. But that counterbalances with Rih’s magazine covers. So we’ll call this a tie. 2. Radio Power: single success, charting stats, multiple high peaks Rihanna has more #1s, but Taylor has more top 10s and 20s. I’ll give this win to Rih though just for the sake of fairness. 3. Award Wins: Oscar, Grammy, VMAs, Billboard Milestones Taylor by far has more awards, both in quantity and prestige. This is a Taylor win. 4. Sales: certifications, video views, and confirmed units sold Taylor has sold more albums. Rihanna has sold more singles, and, by your definition, more “pure records.” OP lists the criteria as confirmed UNITS sold, however, and if we’re going by units, Taylor wins here. 5. Live Performance: live vocal/dance/instrumental ability They are both mediocre let’s be real here. But I’ll give you Rihanna I guess? (Even though Taylor has way WAY more talent when it comes to live instruments and they’re both equally mediocre vocalists. Rih has more natural rhythm I guess. They’re both mediocre and I would rather call this a tie. But I’ll let rih have this win.) 6. Iconic Imagery: widely known and recognized pop culturemoments or looks Rihanna might have more known “looks” but the OP also specifies culture moments, and Taylor has quite a few of those. The 2009 VMAs, her political debut, snakegate, her open letter to Apple Music, her Spotify catalogue removal, etc. Rihanna’s biggest “moment” has (unfortunately) always been the Chris Brown incident. but we can even call this a tie because of Rihanna’s iconic looks. 7. Touring Power: stadium grosses, total touring numbers This is Taylor by far. You mention Rihanna having 400M in tour gross, well Taylor has more than DOUBLED that in the same amount of time ($900M+ from 2007 to 2018). So this is a win for Taylor. Taylor wins (or ties) #s: 1, 3, 4, and 7 Rih wins (or ties) #s: 1, 2, 5, and 6 Following OP’s criteria, even being generous to Rih this comes out as a 4-4 tie, and that’s with me giving Category 5 to Rih for literally no reason. Are you on Drugs? Rih is the OG instagram influencer (how does Taylor have 80M more followers but their likes are similar, something isn't adding up). People used to be living for her candid's. Rih was commanding social media before anybody else (Also Rih has more facebook likes too, her page has 102M to Taylors 76M). bringing the mag covers in this just blows it out of the water in Rih's favour. The fact that you think Taylor even remotely compares in this area is Radio. Literally Nobody is seeing Rihanna's radio stats. If you want to talk numbers. Taylor has 30 top 10s but she's N/A in weeks in the top 10. Meanwhile Rih is number 1 (man or woman) with an unprecedented 360 weeks in the top 10 alone from 31 top 10s. The closest person to her is Drake with 326 weeks. She did this is 61 chart entries (half of her entries go top 10, almost 25% go number one). You people don't understand how massive Rihanna was at her peak. Nobody was seeing her. Sales: Rihanna is the best selling digital artist of all time. If we're speaking pure records (singles, albums, ringtones, etc) nobody has sold more and she has sold almost 300M pure records. She's also the OG Queen of streams (something she used to be shaded heavily for) and still has strong numbers despite the overwhelming majority of her catalog being a decade old or older. Taylor also has the streams and the album sales (even tho Rih sold more albums outside the USA) so I'll tie it here. Awards: Taylor no contest. But again Rih is no slouch here. Performances: Rihanna is a way better singer than Taylor (yes she's also lazy but it doesn't change the fact that she's a better singer), she's also a better dancer. Taylor can play instruments but Rih could sing any of Taylor's songs. Taylor couldn't sing Diamonds, or LOTB or Kiss it better, Sledge hammer, etc... LOTB performances alone is clearing anything Taylor has done or could hope to do (The 183M views global citizen performance agrees with me). Imagery: Imagine the Queen of the Met Gala, known for giving Victoria secret their best performance and then ending them a few years later, The Queen of Clapbacks, Redanna, Bobanna, Queen of Tumblr, Instagram, Street style, and twitter is being reduced to the Chris Brown incident. Do you even hear yourself? Nobody but Taylor's fans care about most of those things. The only important ones are snakegate (due in part to Kanye and Kim, you know, massive celebs) the VMA (again due to Kanye and Beyoncé, massive celebs). Most of Rihanna's moments are her own, she doesn't share them with other big names like Taylor. Even if I were to include the political debut, she was shaded heavily for being fake and only taking a stand when she had something to gain from it. Touring: Taylor, No contest. Again Rihanna is no slouch in this area but it is by far her weakest area. That's 4 Rih, 2 Taylor and 1 Tie. Taylor has her strengths but the fact that you even think she's comparable to Rih in some of these areas is Edited June 14, 2022 by RihFenty20
Planet Mars Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, LesFleur said: There will only ever be these Supremes. - Most successful US group of all-time - 20 million-selling singles - 12 #1s on US Hot 100 (20 top 10s, 45 entries) - 3 #1 US albums on BB200 (8 top 10s, 37 entries) - First girl group to top Billboard 200 - Estimated 100 million records sold WW - #17 Greatest of all time on Hot 100 Artists - #26 Greatest of all time Billboard Artists - 8 #1 songs in Canada (19 top 10s, 36 entries) - 3 top 10 albums (14 entries) - 3 UK #1 albums (6 top 10s, 19 top 40s, 254 weeks in top 75) - 1 UK #1 single (13 top 10s, 30 top 40s, 306 weeks in top 75) - UK post-prime certifications in the digital era (since 2005): Platinum ("You Can't Hurry Love"), Gold ("Baby Love"), Silver ("Where Did Our Love Go", "Stop! In the Name of Love") - UK post-prime album certifcations: 1 Platinum, 3 Gold, 2 Silver - 3 #1 songs in New Zealand (1 Platinum and top 10 album) - 3 #1 songs in Singapore - 9 top 10 singles in Iceland - 4 top 10 singles in the Netherlands (16 top 40s) - 3 top 10 singles in Australia (26 entries) - 2 top 10 albums in Norway (4 top 20s) - 11 top 50 singles in Belgium (Wallonia) The iconic trio: - Florence Ballard (right) - Mary Wilson (middle) - Diana Ross (left) The early Primettes years - Betty McGlown (The Primettes) - Barbara Martin (The Primettes) - Cindy Birdsong - Jean Terrell - Lynda Laurence - Scherrie Payne - Susaye Greene Through the years - 1 picture per lineup: The Supremes were really those girls, a group of young black women in the 1960's nonetheless, whew.
Devin Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, LesFleur said: There will only ever be these Supremes. - Most successful US group of all-time - 20 million-selling singles - 12 #1s on US Hot 100 (20 top 10s, 45 entries) - 3 #1 US albums on BB200 (8 top 10s, 37 entries) - First girl group to top Billboard 200 - Estimated 100 million records sold WW - #17 Greatest of all time on Hot 100 Artists - #26 Greatest of all time Billboard Artists - 8 #1 songs in Canada (19 top 10s, 36 entries) - 3 top 10 albums (14 entries) - 3 UK #1 albums (6 top 10s, 19 top 40s, 254 weeks in top 75) - 1 UK #1 single (13 top 10s, 30 top 40s, 306 weeks in top 75) - UK post-prime certifications in the digital era (since 2005): Platinum ("You Can't Hurry Love"), Gold ("Baby Love"), Silver ("Where Did Our Love Go", "Stop! In the Name of Love") - UK post-prime album certifcations: 1 Platinum, 3 Gold, 2 Silver - 3 #1 songs in New Zealand (1 Platinum and top 10 album) - 3 #1 songs in Singapore - 9 top 10 singles in Iceland - 4 top 10 singles in the Netherlands (16 top 40s) - 3 top 10 singles in Australia (26 entries) - 2 top 10 albums in Norway (4 top 20s) - 11 top 50 singles in Belgium (Wallonia) The iconic trio: - Florence Ballard (right) - Mary Wilson (middle) - Diana Ross (left) The early Primettes years - Betty McGlown (The Primettes) - Barbara Martin (The Primettes) - Cindy Birdsong - Jean Terrell - Lynda Laurence - Scherrie Payne - Susaye Greene Through the years - 1 picture per lineup: Thank you for bringing this up cause the TALENT OT: Tina getting the respect she deserves too!
StammyWammy Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, RihFenty20 said: Are you on Drugs? Rih is the OG instagram influencer (how does Taylor have 80M more followers but their likes are similar, something isn't adding up). People used to be living for her candid's. Rih was commanding social media before anybody else. bringing the mag covers in this just blows it out of the water in Rih's favour. The fact that you think Taylor even remotely compares in this area is Radio. Literally Nobody is seeing Rihanna's radio stats. If you want to talk numbers. Taylor has 30 top 10s but she's N/A in weeks in the top 10. Meanwhile Rih is number 1 (man or woman) with an unprecedented 360 weeks in the top 10 alone from 31 top 10s. The closest person to her is Drake with 326 weeks. She did this is 61 chart entries (half of her entries go top 10, almost 25% go number one). You people don't understand how massive Rihanna was at her peak. Nobody was seeing her. Sales: Rihanna is the best selling digital artist of all time. If we're speaking pure records (singles, albums, ringtones, etc) nobody has sold more and she has sold almost 300M pure records. She's also the OG Queen of streams (something she used to be shaded heavily for) and still has strong numbers despite the overwhelming majority of her catalog being a decade old or older. Taylor also has the streams and the album sales (even tho Rih sold more albums outside the USA) so I'll tie it here. Awards: Taylor no contest. But again Rih is no slouch here. Performances: Rihanna is a way better singer than Taylor (yes she's also lazy but it doesn't change the fact that she's a better singer), she's also a better dancer. Taylor can play instruments but Rih could sing any of Taylor's songs. Taylor couldn't sing Diamonds, or LOTB or Kiss it better, Sledge hammer, etc... LOTB performances alone is clearing anything Taylor has done or could hope to do (The 183M views global citizen performance agrees with me). Imagery: Imagine the Queen of the Met Gala, known for giving Victoria secret their best performance and then ending them a few years later, The Queen of Clapbacks, Redanna, Bobanna, Queen of Tumblr, Instagram, Street style, and twitter is being reduced to the Chris Brown incident. Do you even hear yourself? Nobody but Taylor's fans care about most of those things. The only important ones are snakegate (due in part to Kanye and Kim, you know, massive celebs) the VMA (again due to Kanye and Beyoncé, massive celebs). Most of Rihanna's moments are her own, she doesn't share them with other big names like Taylor. Even if I were to include the political debut, she was shaded heavily for being fake and only taking a stand when she had something to gain from it. Touring: Taylor, No contest. Again Rihanna is no slouch in this area but it is by far her weakest area. That's 4 Rih, 2 Taylor and 1 Tie. Taylor has her strengths but the fact that you even think she's comparable to Rih in some of these areas is Rihanna is/was not the supreme. She's very successful and is a queen but she does not surpass Taylor.
lonnie Posted June 14, 2022 Posted June 14, 2022 I truly don't think the arguments are worth having here especially Taylor/Rih. In many instances some acts have one factor over the other. Tina for instance, as much as she's a legend and brilliant artist, only has touring over some of her peers. But then again the theory that only one person "reigns supreme" over others is dumb so it's not worth fighting over, they've all accomplished a lot.
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