discussion Elon's Teslas are designed to blame the driver on all cases

[Severus Snape]

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On Thursday, NHTSA said it had discovered in 16 separate instances when this occurred that Autopilot “aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact,” suggesting the driver was not prepared to assume full control over the vehicle.

 

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CEO Elon Musk has often claimed that accidents cannot be the fault of the company, as data it extracted invariably showed Autopilot was not active in the moment of the collision.

 

 

All to avoid getting sued and to not be responsible of deaths/other damages. 

 

 

https://fortune.com/2022/06/10/elon-musk-tesla-nhtsa-investigation-traffic-safety-autonomous-fsd-fatal-probe/ 

 

Elon Musk denies Autopilot was active before deadly crash in Texas

"Data logs recovered so far show Autopilot was not enabled," Musk tweeted

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/elon-musk-denies-autopilot-was-active-before-deadly-crash-in-texas/ 

 

 

 

You need to be a sociopath to do these kind of tweaking into a software to free you from responsibility when an accident occurs. 

[James_Dean]

Those cars are safety hazards 

[shookspeare]

Took like a 6 hour drive with my brother in law in his Tesla a few months back and the car's nice but it was SO annoying that we had to stop and charge like two times, both of which took at least 40 minutes or so  I don't understand why anyone would pay so much money for a car that inconvenient, but I guess they aren't made for long distance travel?

Edited June 13, 2022 by shookspeare

[Severus Snape]

3 minutes ago, shookspeare said:

Took like a 6 hour drive with my brother in law in his Tesla a few months back and the car's nice but it was SO annoying that we had to stop and charge like two times, both of which took at least 40 minutes or so  I don't understand why anyone would pay so much money for a car that inconvenient, but I guess they aren't made for long distance travel?

but I was told teslas can do +400km in one 25 min charge  which model does he have?

[ConceptD]

I’m not looking forward to electric cars being the norm tbh. I’d hate to not be in control behind the wheel and to rely on an ai system. 

[shinyshimmery]

Tesla's autopilot feature has always had an unwritten "use at your own risk" understanding, imo. I personally could never take my hands off the wheel of a vehicle going over 60 mph.... at that point you're just risking your life. Also, no amount of testing will ever account for the millions of bad drivers on the road... the probabilities of road accidents are endless. 

 

It's still crazy that the software knows to turn itself off when a crash happens... unfortunately that's what it takes to keep them in business and steer away from bad press. 

[Illuminati]

21 minutes ago, ConceptD said:

I’m not looking forward to electric cars being the norm tbh. I’d hate to not be in control behind the wheel and to rely on an ai system. 

Autopilot is not on unless you turn it on, it's a vanity feature.

 

As far as shady practices go, it's pretty obvious they wouldn't want to be liable for this, especially knowing how flawed their self driving features are in this stage. It may also be a safety feature, when you're on a crash course the last thing you want is for the autopilot to continue being in control.

Edited June 13, 2022 by Illuminati

[Rev8]

Wasnt there a case where a Tesla car locked up while it caught on fire

and the passenger was inside

 

(they thankfully saved him)

 

 

 

They really should be taken to court over this

[Archetype]

That’s because AutoPilot is, currently and for the foreseeable future, a driver ASSISTANCE technology,  not a driver replacement technology.  You are required to be paying attention at all times as if you were actually driving the car, as Autopilot cannot save you from many instances of reckless driving from other vehicles and sudden stops.  It is always the driver’s responsibility, don’t get it twisted.  

[Severus Snape]

45 minutes ago, ConceptD said:

I’m not looking forward to electric cars being the norm tbh. I’d hate to not be in control behind the wheel and to rely on an ai system. 

You can have an electric engine and still drive the car yourself 

[magazine]

Take down Elon once and for all!

[ConceptD]

38 minutes ago, Severus Snape said:

You can have an electric engine and still drive the car yourself 

I meant fully automated self driving electric cars which is clearly where we’re headed. I have an hybrid BMW so I’m not against a more sustainable option. 

[Starshine]

Tesla relying on solely vision with no LiDAR is where they ****** up.  

[dirrtydiana]

2 hours ago, Rev8 said:

Wasnt there a case where a Tesla car locked up while it caught on fire

and the passenger was inside

 

(they thankfully saved him)

 

 

 

They really should be taken to court over this

 

it didn’t lock. The doors system is electric so the button didn’t open the door but apparently the driver didn’t know there’s a manual door handle in case this happens 

[dirrtydiana]

3 hours ago, shookspeare said:

Took like a 6 hour drive with my brother in law in his Tesla a few months back and the car's nice but it was SO annoying that we had to stop and charge like two times, both of which took at least 40 minutes or so  I don't understand why anyone would pay so much money for a car that inconvenient, but I guess they aren't made for long distance travel?

Yeah that sounds like an old model.

 

and what’s the inconvenience? Stopping to use the restroom and eat while it charges? You have to stop for that too on a gas car. If we don’t get passed this mentality we will not progress out of using gasoline.

 

OT: yeah I personally think that’s sneaky on musk and teslas part. It reminds me of how no one can ever be declared dead at disney 

[UseYourIllusion2002]

2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Yeah that sounds like an old model.

 

and what’s the inconvenience? Stopping to use the restroom and eat while it charges? You have to stop for that too on a gas car. If we don’t get passed this mentality we will not progress out of using gasoline.

 

OT: yeah I personally think that’s sneaky on musk and teslas part. It reminds me of how no one can ever be declared dead at disney 

That user is saying it’s an inconvenience because it only takes 5 minutes or less to fill up a gas car as compared to 45 minutes with a Tesla

[dirrtydiana]

8 minutes ago, UseYourIllusion2002 said:

That user is saying it’s an inconvenience because it only takes 5 minutes or less to fill up a gas car as compared to 45 minutes with a Tesla

I got that part. And it’s not 2012 anymore. Most electric cars now are able to recharge in 15-20 minutes to 80% just like most smartphones today.

And it’s only getting faster. It’s not rocket science that pouring a liquid is way faster than charging a battery. 

 

Like I said, that user’s experience must’ve been on an old model.

Edited June 13, 2022 by dirrtydiana

[Archetype]

42 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

I got that part. And it’s not 2012 anymore. Most electric cars now are able to recharge in 15-20 minutes to 80% just like most smartphones today.

And it’s only getting faster. It’s not rocket science that pouring a liquid is way faster than charging a battery. 

 

Like I said, that user’s experience must’ve been on an old model.

This is true, and this is also happening while range is increased as well.  Long range EVs by Tesla, Lucid, and Mercedes are breaking the 400 and 500 mile range barriers while still recharging within 15-30 mins.  
 

The internal combustion engine had how many decades to get to the point it is today, and yet electric motors and batteries tech has managed to progress this much in less than one decade.  Most first world nations are banning the sale of ICE cars over the next 15 years, some as early as 2025.  In Norway, for example, electric cars make up for over 91% of all new car purchases.

[shookspeare]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

Yeah that sounds like an old model.

 

and what’s the inconvenience? Stopping to use the restroom and eat while it charges? You have to stop for that too on a gas car. If we don’t get passed this mentality we will not progress out of using gasoline.

 

OT: yeah I personally think that’s sneaky on musk and teslas part. It reminds me of how no one can ever be declared dead at disney 

Not an old model nor one of the cheaper ones, he's only had it for a couple of years tops. It was a really cold day though, so that affects battery life. Still, it's a joke to compare 40 minutes of charging to a 5 minute stop at the gas station. Literally not even close to the same thing.

 

I'm sure Teslas are fine when it's not freezing cold, but I personally wouldn't buy one as they are right now as I wouldn't enjoy adding hours onto long distance trips just for charging.

[dirrtydiana]

23 minutes ago, Archetype said:

This is true, and this is also happening while range is increased as well.  Long range EVs by Tesla, Lucid, and Mercedes are breaking the 400 and 500 mile range barriers while still recharging within 15-30 mins.  
 

The internal combustion engine had how many decades to get to the point it is today, and yet electric motors and batteries tech has managed to progress this much in less than one decade.  Most first world nations are banning the sale of ICE cars over the next 15 years, some as early as 2025.  In Norway, for example, electric cars make up for over 91% of all new car purchases.

100%
 

 

 

22 minutes ago, shookspeare said:

Not an old model nor one of the cheaper ones, he's only had it for a couple of years tops. It was a really cold day though, so that affects battery life. Still, it's a joke to compare 40 minutes of charging to a 5 minute stop at the gas station. Literally not even close to the same thing.

 

I'm sure Teslas are fine when it's not freezing cold, but I personally wouldn't buy one as they are right now as I wouldn't enjoy adding hours onto long distance trips just for charging.

Couple of years is ancient in the technology world and all cars cost a fortune when they first come out so price is irrelevant.

 

40 mins is still super fast compared to charging at home which can take hours to a day.

 

yeah, only people I know who have that issue are owners of the older ones. It currently mostly takes 15-25 mins which is not an inconvenience at all to use that as a restroom/lunch stop and most importantly, to stop using gas

[gatito]

electric vehicles should be used as mass transit otherwise it's just an expensive toy car for filthy rich people 

[Archetype]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

yeah, only people I know who have that issue are owners of the older ones. It currently mostly takes 15-25 mins which is not an inconvenience at all to use that as a restroom/lunch stop and most importantly, to stop using gas

Especially considering how you're technically not supposed to charge the battery to over 80% that often unless you're going on long trips (which isn't an issue for longer-range EVs).  But most people charge at home over-night, so that's not even much of an issue in a majority of use cases.

 

45 minutes ago, gatito said:

electric vehicles should be used as mass transit otherwise it's just an expensive toy car for filthy rich people 

You can buy EVs for less than 40k, and Chinese manufacturers are already making EVs for less than 30k.  EVs are only going to get cheaper with each coming year, the requirement is for many EV offerings at every price point by the time ICE cars are banned.

Edited June 13, 2022 by Archetype

[dirrtydiana]

6 minutes ago, Archetype said:

Especially considering how you're technically not supposed to charge the battery to over 80% that often unless you're going on long trips (which isn't an issue for longer-range EVs).  But most people charge at home over-night, so that's not even much of an issue in a majority of use cases.

 

You can buy EVs for less than 40k, and Chinese manufacturers are already making EVs for less than 30k.  EVs are only going to get cheaper with each coming year, the requirement is for many EV offerings at every price point by the time ICE cars are banned.

Needless to say stopping at gas stations is the pits  at least when you need to charge, the chargers are normally in a good and convenient place
 

And yup. They’re becoming more accessible which has always been the goal. It’s how that industry works. First they cater to the richer people so they can fund production for the less expensive ones.

 

 

[Starshine]

4 hours ago, gatito said:

electric vehicles should be used as mass transit otherwise it's just an expensive toy car for filthy rich people 

I think that's where we're headed. Self-driving vehicles as a service or robotaxis within certain cities is already a working product today.

 

I hope one day their AI can be more efficient as a network when it comes to traffic.  America dug too far deep in a hole with our car-based infrastructure to turn our backs on them, so I think this could be a step forward.

Edited June 14, 2022 by Starshine

[manwhore]

On 6/13/2022 at 12:07 PM, magazine said:

Take down Elon once and for all!

save planet of destroy elon? legit question. aint no one doing better then him. not even your biden or nancy care about saving the world bc they are bought by big oil 

 

its gross but we are screwed w/him or w/out him.