1989 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 They should’ve never allowed her to wear it. That family cheapens everything they touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostcause Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 7 hours ago, gui said: I imagine no one that commented in this topic ever went to Ripleys’ to check on the dress. Really there’s no point in keeping the dress untouched if nobody gave a crap to even check it out lol They had far more to gain lending Kim that dress than to lose. This little momentum also helped Marilyn gain notoriety to a whole new generation and also will boost her icon status when the Netflix film gets released. How many of you went to the Louvre to see Mona Lisa before she was smeared with cake last month? Why wasn’t that painting trending on Twitter until it was vandalized? Those climate protesters are the only reason you care about the Mona Lisa. They made her relevant again. The louvre had far more to gain from the cake stunt than to lose. This little momentum also helped Mona Lisa gain notoriety to a whole new generation. This is how you come across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepostitnote Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Idk, The Kardashian family is problematic, but this feels like it's being blown well out of proportion. Like in 50 years Kim is going to be seen like Marilyn, a woman who was shamed for being a sex icon even though we pretend we're past that. She's a future sex symbol that paid homage to a woman that trailblazed for her and proved how empowering it is to embrace and use your sexuality as a woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostcause Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Oceania said: I never implied that fashion wasn't a form of art but, again...imagine comparing a Da Vinci's portrait to a basic dress that's relatively famous only because a controversial celebrity with a tragic life once wore it. Had Kim damaged the Mona Lisa, the news would've even reached the Voyager 1. Besides, are we seriously comparing Norma Jeane to Jesus Christ of Nazareth now? Tho the Shroud is fake, he's legit the most impactful human being in history. Mona Lisa is only so famous because she was stolen in 1911. It was not considered the masterpiece it is today before. Luckily the thief, Vincenzo Peruggia, had respect for the art he coveted and did not horribly damage the painting the way Kim did to a legendary and incredibly influential Jean Louis dress. The Mona Lisa is a vanity portrait commissioned by a rich nobleman, it’s basically the renaissance version of a wedding portrait or pregnancy announcement on Instagram. does that make the craft less valuable? Do you really think that this dress is less valuable or worthy of preserving because it is younger and it’s designer isn’t as famous as da Vinci yet? Imagine if 60 years after da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa, before his legend was what it is today and before anyone cared about the now iconic portrait, the people of Florence were as flippant and anachronistic as you today. Art isn’t more valuable simply because it is older. Edited June 15, 2022 by lostcause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostcause Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 15 minutes ago, bluepostitnote said: Idk, The Kardashian family is problematic, but this feels like it's being blown well out of proportion. Like in 50 years Kim is going to be seen like Marilyn, a woman who was shamed for being a sex icon even though we pretend we're past that. She's a future sex symbol that paid homage to a woman that trailblazed for her and proved how empowering it is to embrace and use your sexuality as a woman Kim is Zsa Zsa Gabor, not Marilyn. In 60 years, She will be remembered just as well as you remember who Zsa Zsa is in 2022. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhatpb Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 if the dress was not destroyed, then this thread would not have existed. it's prob Kim's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gui Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 hours ago, lostcause said: How many of you went to the Louvre to see Mona Lisa before she was smeared with cake last month? Why wasn’t that painting trending on Twitter until it was vandalized? Those climate protesters are the only reason you care about the Mona Lisa. They made her relevant again. The louvre had far more to gain from the cake stunt than to lose. This little momentum also helped Mona Lisa gain notoriety to a whole new generation. This is how you come across. The false symmetry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMRA Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 At least its not ruined beyond repair but she should have worn a replica or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMRA Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 16 hours ago, lostcause said: Imagine gatekeeping what counts as artifact. Fashion is just as much an art form as painting and stonework, and this “freaking dress” is an important piece in the history of the medium. The Mona Lisa is just a vanity portrait of an Italian noblewoman that her rich husband commissioned. King tuts sarcophagus is just the coffin of an irrelevant ruler who inherited his title and died at 19. His tomb is just filled with the toys and jewelry of a spoiled elitist tyrant. The Shroud of Turin is just a piece of fabric” some dead guy named Jesus is believed to have been wrapped in after his execution. Should Kim wear Jackie Kennedys blood-stained pink Chanel suit from the JFK assassination next? After all, It’s “just fabric”. Maybe North should borrow a dress from the Ann frank house if she wants. Do we value the entitled demands of billionaires over the integrity of historic artifacts? Where do we draw the line? This dress is not just any garment worn by Monroe. The historical context, ingenuity of the design, and myth of the night it was worn are together why this is an important relic that stands out from the countless dresses Marilyn wore in her lifetime. Marilyn would die less than three months after performing for JFKs 45th birthday wearing the piece, it was her last public appearance. JFK was assasinated only a year later. It stands as a symbol of an incredibly fraught, incredibly consequential moment in American history. It also changed fashion history, echoes of the Jean Louis design reverberate to this day. His art isn’t any less influential simply because it was worn by a “celebrity”, Mona Lisa isn’t less important because it’s a vanity portrait commissioned by a rich nobleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontherocks Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I can't believe this thread has (9!!!) pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo1993 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 pages over a piece of fabric I dislike the kardashians but people whining and complaining about this are doing way too much. There are people having meltdowns on Twitter and instagram over this like ma it’s really not that serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prisoner Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, ontherocks said: I can't believe this thread has (9!!!) pages Gays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike91 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 12 hours ago, Gypsy Guy said: I can’t believe people are calling this dress “one of the most important artifacts in American history”. I’m willing to bet if you walked around any place in America with a photo of this dress and asked random people if they knew about it they would all mostly likely have no clue. Her singing Happy Birthday to JFK, while wearing this dress, is one of the most iconic moments in pop culture history. Are you people really this uninformed? Thinking rich people should be allowed to go around and ruin pieces of historical clothing to feed their narcissism is just... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gugunikko Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I’m really amazed at the power Kim has over these people. She really is that powerful. I’m like 80% sure they are mad that Kim wore it, not because someone wore the dress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhabylon Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Marilyn! Judy! Sylvia! Tell her how you feel girls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Up Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 I cannot stand the Kardashians, but who cares? Who TF cares?!?! Why doesn't responsibility fall onto Ripley's for allowing her to wear the dress? They own the dress, they gave it to her to wear. They should've said no. Anyone would've said yes to wearing a dress like this if they were given the opportunity. It's a royal **** up for Ripley's, but Kim just did what she wanted to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsouko Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Seeing Liddos in here cosigning the "it's a piece of fabric" mess is hilarious to me because let Kim wear and permanently damage one of Gaga's supposedly iconic Halloween costumes and they'd be the first to try to cancel her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalay Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Marilyn was voted sixth on AFI greatest actresses of all time list. She's spontaneous with her acting. Her dialogue delivery in non-blonde bombshell films was really ahead of it's time - not shouting, not melodramatic. She could sing beautifully, and perform beautifully. Has iconic numbers that everyone and your favorite emulate. The camera loves ha. Has many, many iconic pop culture moments without being a try-hard. Don't say stuff like Marilyn was the Kim Kardashian of her time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Up Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mitsouko said: Seeing Liddos in here cosigning the "it's a piece of fabric" mess is hilarious to me because let Kim wear and permanently damage one of Gaga's supposedly iconic Halloween costumes and they'd be the first to try to cancel her What even is the correlation here? There is literally zero comparison to be made. Lady Gaga is alive, Marilyn Monroe has been dead for 60 years. If 60 years after Gaga's death someone decided to strap on the beef jerky that was once the meat dress and messed it up and people got mad, the same would apply. People are not mad because it's Monroe, they're mad because it's Kardashian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFameCurse Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 It's just a dress, of course, but it's part of pop history. Like gurl, Kim will never be as iconic as her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gugunikko Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 On 6/13/2022 at 11:46 PM, bleuwaffle said: this is a gay pop culture forum babe, not the new york times comment section. So we should just dismissed racism and act ignorant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinning Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 18 hours ago, lostcause said: Should Kim wear Jackie Kennedys blood-stained pink Chanel suit from the JFK assassination next? After all, It’s “just fabric”. Maybe North should borrow a dress from the Ann frank house if she wants. wow this would be iconic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted June 15, 2022 ATRL Moderator Share Posted June 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, gugunikko said: So we should just dismissed racism and act ignorant? The forum definitely had a larger outcry against George Floyd’s murder. To act otherwise is just revisionist. - Anyone with half a brain knows how fabric quality can deteriorate over time. I’m not sure what anyone expected when Kim wore this, regardless of who wore the dress it would have ended up damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BussC,XOXO Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 white ppl drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 They should not have let her big ass self wear the dress in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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