Baby Judas Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Harry said: im afraid there’s only decline from here on out. it was a cute run You all been saying this since the DL slayage..
FAN Posted June 6, 2022 Author Posted June 6, 2022 If it’s so easy, Doja with more radio singles and videos would be doing it as well. Y’all are weird!
magazine Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Elusive Chanteuse said: Your responses in this thread are so weird. Not my fault the truth might be very triggering for mariah stans Olivia is here to take her place. It's already happening.
Roman Holiday Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 I wish I understood the appeal of that album, but congrats to Olivia.
Richie.Valdez Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 I love Olivia but there must be something done about new “achievements” during the streaming era… it’s NOT the same as it was before with physical releases. Charts should be separated and the whole “equivalent” units it’s BS.
Bosque Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 6 hours ago, thetea said: that's a great achievement, however it's not comparable to when mariah and whitney did it. They achieved it by having people buy their records week after week, after you bought it, that was it, her album is being streamed over and over holding it up So Olivia is only high up in the charts because… people are listening to her album?
stevyy Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Brando said: Yes, all true, but my point is that everyone had to chart based on the exact same rules back then. It's like saying Martina Navratilova isn't a great tennis player because literally anyone in Top 100 today would beat her 6-0 6-0. And if anything, I'd say albums generally have much shorter longevity today. It's not uncommon for them to last just a few weeks on BB200 if they are not that popular. It's just the most popular ones found a way for better longevity. This is absolutely not the point I was trying to make. The point is that you cannot say that chartruns from 2022 are the same or under the same rules as those of 1990. They simply are not because the rules worked differently. And with that comparisons of chartruns from different eras are highly questionable in my point of view. Your example of Navratilova... well, she played with a wooden racket. Comparing her to those who play today is also very wrong in that respect. I agree with your statement that only chart runs (or tennis records) that happen/ed under the same rules and terms can be compared. BB lost all continuity in their charts statistics once they made radio-only singles available to chart on the H100 in 1998. After that, achievements from then cannot be compared to achievements from before. They also changed the rules for the BB top 200 albums charts way too many times to even create the allusion of continuity. I want to remind everyone that MJ's album didn't even return to the BB200 in 2009 after his passing, because they were not allowed to. The better question would be, how do these old standing records and albums / song and their runs hold up against the new songs and the new reality of charts achievements that BB created. I'm also fully aware that my fave benefitted a lot from the new rules as evident in her continued charts success of her Christmas music. The biggest joke of all... btw... is the RIAA in my opinion. As long as they do not automatically certify material... their supposed best sellers lists are always plain WRONG.
stevyy Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, magazine said: Not my fault the truth might be very triggering for mariah stans Olivia is here to take her place. It's already happening. Mariah has released 15 studio albums + 12 compilation albums. 11 out of 27 releases are certified multi-platinum. 6 more releases are either Gold or Platinum. 1990 = 9xP 1991 = 4xP 1992 = 4xP 1993 = 10xP 1994 = 8xP 1995 = 11xP 1997 = 5xP 1998 = 5xP 1999 = 3xP 2001 = 1xP 2001 = 2xP 2002 = 1xP 2003 = Gold 2005 = 6xP 2008 = 1xP 2009 = Gold 2010 = Gold She can replace MOo when she surpassed that.
magazine Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, stevyy said: Mariah has released 15 studio albums + 12 compilation albums. 11 out of 27 releases are certified multi-platinum. 6 more releases are either Gold or Platinum. 1990 = 9xP 1991 = 4xP 1992 = 4xP 1993 = 10xP 1994 = 8xP 1995 = 11xP 1997 = 5xP 1998 = 5xP 1999 = 3xP 2001 = 1xP 2001 = 2xP 2002 = 1xP 2003 = Gold 2005 = 6xP 2008 = 1xP 2009 = Gold 2010 = Gold She can replace MOo when she surpassed that. We're just joking, sis. It's not that serious. Olivia is cute and Mariah has her cute moments too
Brando Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, stevyy said: The point is that you cannot say that chartruns from 2022 are the same or under the same rules as those of 1990. That's the opposite of my point. I was replying to a person saying that Mariah fans were actually buying her album every week. And I said it's not like the rest of the albums in the 90s were charting based on streaming. Mariah managed that many weeks in the Top 10 by selling while others were selling too. Olivia managed them while others' albums were available for streaming too. Streaming doesn't automatically equate longevity. Gaga's last album lasted only 4 weeks in the top 10 despite having a high profile #1 hit. Relative popularity is what matter and the Olivia gurl is killing it with Sour (with only 11 tracks mind you)
stevyy Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Brando said: That's the opposite of my point. I was replying to a person saying that Mariah fans were actually buying her album every week. And I said it's not like the rest of the albums in the 90s were charting based on streaming. Mariah managed that many weeks in the Top 10 by selling while others were selling too. Olivia managed them while others' albums were available for streaming too. Streaming doesn't automatically equate longevity. Gaga's last album lasted only 4 weeks in the top 10 despite having a high profile #1 hit. Relative popularity is what matter and the Olivia gurl is killing it with Sour (with only 11 tracks mind you) I get all of that and yet the terms in which these two separate achievement were achieved, are completely different. Sour is def. a smash album. But its chartrun cannot be compared to those of older acts who achieved theirs by another metric. (and vice versa).
Luckitty Posted June 6, 2022 Posted June 6, 2022 16 hours ago, Johnny Jacobs said: Who are the top 5 in That record? for female debut albums the top 5 is 1. jagged little pill 2. forever your girl 3. the fame 4. baby one more time 5. mariah carey/sour
thetea Posted June 7, 2022 Posted June 7, 2022 18 hours ago, Dephira said: So Olivia is only high up in the charts because… people are listening to her album? all i'm saying is that it's not comparable to when mariah and whitney did it. read this down below. 18 hours ago, stevyy said: you cannot say that chartruns from 2022 are the same or under the same rules as those of 1990. They simply are not because the rules worked differently. And with that comparisons of chartruns from different eras are highly questionable in my point of view.
slw84 Posted June 8, 2022 Posted June 8, 2022 On 6/5/2022 at 11:38 PM, FAN said: Billboard 200: #8(=) @oliviarodrigo, SOUR 39,000 (3,172,000 units since release). *peak: #1 for 5 weeks 49 weeks in the top 10, surpassing whitney and tying mariah 2 more weeks to surpass baby one more time (50) and 3 weeks to surpass the fame (51) She needs to fail to surpass Britney or she just needs to break the record altogether. I'm pulling for her though. Get 52 full weeks, Olivia
GreatestLoveofAll Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 i hope it gets 52 weeks before it wraps up. Whitney and Mariah setting the debut standards for the girls- imagine the rage the fans must have had when Gaga surpassed them both back in 2010
abrahamjmr Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 On 6/6/2022 at 5:25 PM, Luckitty said: for female debut albums the top 5 is 1. jagged little pill 2. forever your girl 3. the fame 4. baby one more time 5. mariah carey/sour So 21 is not a female album anymore?
Luckitty Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, abrahamjmr said: So 21 is not a female album anymore? is it a debut album?
abrahamjmr Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, Luckitty said: is it a debut album? Jagged Little Pill is technically not a debut album, hence my confusion.
Luckitty Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 Just now, abrahamjmr said: Jagged Little Pill is technically not a debut album, hence my confusion. some people consider it a debut album + i didn't make the list
fridayteenage Posted June 11, 2022 Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) On 6/6/2022 at 12:55 AM, thetea said: that's a great achievement, however it's not comparable to when mariah and whitney did it. They achieved it by having people buy their records week after week, after you bought it, that was it, her album is being streamed over and over holding it up if i counted correctly, so far SOUR has 44 weeks in the sales top 10. if hdd is correct, she's around #5 this week, so that'd be 45. so people are buying her records week after week as well Edited June 11, 2022 by fridayteenage
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