celeb news Pitchfork skulldrags Sky for the 3rd day in a row

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Just now, Kayseri Mantisi said:

You probably read worse things here this can't be the dumbest one now c'mon now

I expected better from you. The dumber ones are from posters I never took seriously in the first place. 

[Archetype]

6 minutes ago, Espresso said:

I'm sorry, but that's quite the accusation that isn't supported by the evidence I mentioned earlier of exclusives being granted to artists whose work they trashed later - because again, the entire staff isn't a monolith, and there's a big split between the editors and the writers themselves. 

 

I'd respect anyone that actually holds this opinion if they actually @'d Pitchfork's editor, Puja Patel, with the accusation. She's been known to be willing to get into dust-ups before to defend herself, or the organization. Otherwise it's hot air.

“That’s quite the accusation” girl this is a pop forum, no one is getting sued.  Your entire post is ignoring the complete 180 their coverage has been of her since she dropped the single and how odd it is for them to drag an artist like this.  “You would respect” as opposed to?  She edits for a trash company that uses stale immature drags for clicks and just praised a song featuring a legitimate murderer and gang leader.  We’ll continue to drag them for being a trash publication.

[Kayseri Mantisi]

Just now, Espresso said:

I expected better from you. The dumber ones are from posters I never took seriously in the first place. 

I'm sorry for not living up to your expectations 

[Pop]

I said it sounds like a Taylor Swift b-side  Very underwhelming. 

[Karla Cabello]

they doing too much. i believe they are subtly trying to hype sky up bc if not what is this. just so random and personal

[Walk_Away21]

Does anyone actually even read their site? I only ever hear about it on ATRL

[Katamari]

56 minutes ago, Bimbo said:

Such losers  starting to think this is true

 

 

 

is it the same author tho

[Kayseri Mantisi]

4 minutes ago, Pop said:

I said it sounds like a Taylor Swift b-side  Very underwhelming. 

Sky dropped Sad Dream and Ghost in 2012, which makes both Folklore and Evermore Sky B-Sides if you look at it like that. What is this comparison

[The7thStranger]

Pitchfork is where hacks go to kill their careers. They're a disgrace as a publication.

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1 minute ago, Archetype said:

“That’s quite the accusation” girl this is a pop forum, no one is getting sued.  Your entire post is ignoring the complete 180 their coverage has been of her since she dropped the single and how odd it is for them to drag an artist like this.  “You would respect” as opposed to?  She edits for a trash company that uses stale immature drags for clicks and just praised a song featuring a legitimate murderer and gang leader.  We’ll continue to drag them for being a trash publication.

I'm not a Sky hater or invested in defending Pitchfork. Some of the vitriolic comments from past recent threads here bringing up drug use weren't equal to any shade she'd ever given out and were way out of line. Pitchfork continues to do a lot of questionable stuff.

 

My comment about not being first or exclusive interviews translating instantly to bad reviews has been around for a while for multiple publications, many of whom aren't engaging in it and it's not fair. I'm not here to defend Pitchfork but instead a lot of the freelance music writers that may not work for P4K exclusively. A writer (one, by the way, I'm sure someone else on staff may have loved it) likely hated the track and wanted to troll, an editor likely agreed they needed some traffic and decided to do this. 

 

If everyone's so convinced of a conspiracy, go ahead and prove me wrong and don't even involve P4K I guess, @ Sky herself! She's clearly got enough of a fanbase imho to not need their platforming. 

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5 minutes ago, Walk_Away21 said:

Does anyone actually even read their site? I only ever hear about it on ATRL

They had 24 million visits in April 2022 and 9 million in organic search traffic over the past 6 months. 

 

I mean, I don't know what your bar is for "no one reading it"  

[Archetype]

6 minutes ago, Espresso said:

I'm not a Sky hater or invested in defending Pitchfork. Some of the vitriolic comments from past recent threads here bringing up drug use weren't equal to any shade she'd ever given out and were way out of line. Pitchfork continues to do a lot of questionable stuff.

 

My comment about not being first or exclusive interviews translating instantly to bad reviews has been around for a while for multiple publications, many of whom aren't engaging in it and it's not fair. I'm not here to defend Pitchfork but instead a lot of the freelance music writers that may not work for P4K exclusively. A writer (one, by the way, I'm sure someone else on staff may have loved it) likely hated the track and wanted to troll, an editor likely agreed they needed some traffic and decided to do this. 

 

If everyone's so convinced of a conspiracy, go ahead and prove me wrong and don't even involve P4K I guess, @ Sky herself! She's clearly got enough of a fanbase imho to not need their platforming. 

The problem is your lack of ability to read the room.  Sky has been giving P4K exclusive interviews for most of the past decade.  She has performed at their summer festival several times.  She did a huge feature in 2015 for the album and again later on for Downhill Lullaby (which they raved about).  There is absolutely no reason to believe they wouldn’t have approached her again for her long-awaited comeback, zero reason.  Why else would they let their writer trash her song and then post immature drags and quotes from the article on Twitter?  You don’t ruin your relationship with an artist like this unless something happened, it’s that simple.  P4K writes negative reviews from time to time but they rarely ever go in that hard on an artist.  I doubt Sky is affected, but it’s a serious WTF moment for anyone who has been following P4K for a long time (like me).  The Ed Sheeran and recent Kanye drags made sense, but this?  Nope, it’s personal.  I don’t need to @ this random editor with my private account to identify the obvious or be lied to,  because it’s flat out stupid to think they’d ever admit to anything.

[Kayseri Mantisi]

Just now, Archetype said:

The problem is your lack of ability to read the room.  Sky has been giving P4K exclusive interviews for most of the past decade.  She has performed at their summer festival several times.  She did a huge feature in 2015 for the album and again later on for Downhill Lullaby (which they raved about).  There is absolutely no reason to believe they wouldn’t have approached her again for her long-awaited comeback, zero reason.  Why else would they let their writer trash her song and then post immature drags and quotes from the article on Twitter?  You don’t ruin your relationship with an artist like this unless something happened, it’s that simple.  P4K writes negative reviews from time to time but they rarely ever go in that hard on an artist.  I doubt Sky is affected, but it’s a serious WTF moment for anyone who has been following P4K for a long time (like me).  The Ed Sheeran and recent Kanye drags made sense, but this?  Nope, it’s personal.  I don’t need to @ this random editor with my private account to identify the obvious or be lied to,  because it’s flat out stupid to think they’d ever admit to anything.

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11 minutes ago, Archetype said:

The problem is your lack of ability to read the room.  Sky has been giving P4K exclusive interviews for most of the past decade.  She has performed at their summer festival several times.  She did a huge feature in 2015 for the album and again later on for Downhill Lullaby (which they raved about).  There is absolutely no reason to believe they wouldn’t have approached her again for her long-awaited comeback, zero reason.  Why else would they let their writer trash her song and then post immature drags and quotes from the article on Twitter?  You don’t ruin your relationship with an artist like this unless something happened, it’s that simple.  P4K writes negative reviews from time to time but they rarely ever go in that hard on an artist.  I doubt Sky is affected, but it’s a serious WTF moment for anyone who has been following P4K for a long time (like me).  The Ed Sheeran and recent Kanye drags made sense, but this?  Nope, it’s personal.  I don’t need to @ this random editor with my private account to identify the obvious or be lied to,  because it’s flat out stupid to think they’d ever admit to anything.

If we're keeping the argument to just P4K your criticism is absolutely fair given all the context you mentioned I've been aware of. Not for other outlets.

 

What's productive here? I mean, she doesn't need them and never did, imho. People here seem to pick and choose Pitchfork's level of influence in favor of whatever argument they want to make for their favorite artist but I'd argue they are for any artist, and given their past context with Sky the conversation's unavoidable. 

 

Should she say something? Those that would hold it against her if she did were never going to be fans regardless. For something this jarring, I think there should be some benefit of the doubt given to her so she's not instantly dismissed as seeking pity for having lost favor with one publication. 

 

You've kind of proven my point though. To invest three tweets and all this shade over Vulture being granted access first doesn't make sense. If it's personal, what do you think it was instead?

[Archetype]

1 minute ago, Espresso said:

If we're keeping the argument to just P4K your criticism is absolutely fair given all the context you mentioned I've been aware of. Not for other outlets.

 

What's productive here? I mean, she doesn't need them and never did, imho. People here seem to pick and choose Pitchfork's level of influence in favor of whatever argument they want to make for their favorite artist but I'd argue they are for any artist, and given their past context with Sky the conversation's unavoidable. 

 

Should she say something? Those that would hold it against her if she did were never going to be fans regardless. For something this jarring, I think there should be some benefit of the doubt given to her so she's not instantly dismissed as seeking a pity party. 

On one point, if she says anything (even casually) about what happened, they will undoubtedly drag her album whenever it comes out.  P4K is dirty.  If she stays quiet and tries to ignore it, nothing happens and they'll probably just get over it in time.  It seemed like they had a solid relationship for a long time.

 

6 minutes ago, Espresso said:

You've kind of proven my point though. To invest three tweets and all this shade over Vulture being granted access first doesn't make sense. If it's personal, what do you think it was instead?

My point was that not granting an exclusive interview IS personal considering everything they have done for her over the past decade.  The articles and features they wrote for her were actually amazing, and they would do full out photoshoots with Sky (which they rarely ever do for any artist) and make the article interactive and animated (which costs a lot of money and requires more time).  I have no idea why she would go with Vulture and Vogue over P4K, perhaps it was at her label's request to speak with as many publications as possible instead of just one, or maybe something else happened between the publication and her that we'll never know about.  Regardless, this whole thing is very weird.

 

[Poxy]

It’s getting weird .gif

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2 minutes ago, Archetype said:

On one point, if she says anything (even casually) about what happened, they will undoubtedly drag her album whenever it comes out.  P4K is dirty.  If she stays quiet and tries to ignore it, nothing happens and they'll probably just get over it in time.  It seemed like they had a solid relationship for a long time.

 

My point was that not granting an exclusive interview IS personal considering everything they have done for her over the past decade.  The articles and features they wrote for her were actually amazing, and they would do full out photoshoots with Sky (which they rarely ever do for any artist) and make the article interactive and animated (which costs a lot of money and requires more time).  I have no idea why she would go with Vulture and Vogue over P4K, perhaps it was at her label's request to speak with as many publications as possible instead of just one, or maybe something else happened between the publication and her that we'll never know about.  Regardless, this whole thing is very weird.

A bad review for a track for an artist they've otherwise gone above and beyond to support is one thing, but this is another level entirely and on that we can agree. I'm gonna have to wait and see any further developments before making any conclusions.

[John Slayne]

they can seethe, i'll keep streaming EXCELLENCE 

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, Pop said:

I said it sounds like a Taylor Swift b-side  Very underwhelming. 

as if Taylor would ever release something as interesting as Don't Forget. some of y'all just say anything on this website 

[More Than A Melody]

Pitchfork is the pits, they might've given Harry's last album a fairer score than in the past but that doesn't change how I feel about them. Their reviews hardly ever cover any actual musical ground. They just say things for the kiis

 

 

3 hours ago, Sugar-Rush said:

Aren't they notorious for dragging every female singer that isn't Lana?

No, P4 hates cis white men more than anything (which I usually would overall agree with, but not at the cost of having integrity when doing my job). But tbh I think they mostly just stay posturing. There's a few selected artists who they've decided are good, and then for the rest, it's if it's popular they knock down points, if it's not they add a few. 

 

3 hours ago, uusagii said:

I honestly thought they'd eat this up

And IIRC Pitchfork's staff writers don't actually have a say in album scores, BNT/BNM designations, or even press - they're given a brief outline tailored by higher ups and write around that. So, for them to go this low and bash her, something definitely happened bts

The scores are an aggregate of the whole staff and the reviews are assigned to one reviewer, which is why usually the score and the review don't really match up. But that's for albums, this is a song, so I think it's just one member of the staff writing it

[MissedTheTrain]

I hate how when they write a bad review, they spam it on their socials for days/weeks afterwards