discussion San Francisco Mayor London Breed Boycotts SF Pride

[Horizon Flame]

14 hours ago, jakeisphat said:

The Transgender District READING her 1998-mindset ass :

 

 "It 'BREEDS' of transactional 'allyship' instead of promoting allyship without conditions." 

 

DAMN. They BROILED her off the bat! 
 

This is interesting considering that the trans community is pretty conservative like Caitlyn. 
 

https://www.metroweekly.com/2019/08/study-finds-transgender-people-are-more-politically-conservative-cisgender-men/

[ClashAndBurn]

20 hours ago, GhostBox said:

Not all cops are gay/ black killers. No matter how many times you try to say they ALL are. 
 

In fact in years past some of the stories that made headlines and news from  these parades were about the cops and parade goers getting along so well?

 

 

 

Even the cops who don't directly kill civilians typically rally around each other in support of those who do.  

 

Back The Blue, Thin Blue Line, Blue Lives Matter, etc. all have a point to them. They also go on strike and let crime go up whenever people aren't sufficiently happy about their community members getting extrajudicially murdered.

[OrgVisual]

I was so confused reading the title of this thread  Did not expect someone to be named London Breed

[Archetype]

So the issue is the visual presence of uniforms and not… actual police presence? No offense but you either want police presence or not, the mentality around “If I can’t see it but know it’s there, then it’s not there!” is… interesting.

[JanStan]

Eh. Just another far left flop attempt at wokeness. Defunding the police has been an absolute disaster not only in SF, but in every liberal city where it’s been tried. Literally to the point where not only was funding reinstated, but even increased to fix the disaster that the attempt caused. 
 

While I don’t like London Breed from some of the things she’s done, good for her for standing up to the far left and their twitter meme clout chasing antics. 

[Communion]

Just now, JanStan said:

but in every liberal city where it’s been tried

What cities in America have defunded their police departments?

[Zeferino]

London Breed? 

[despy]

Just now, Zeferino said:

London Breed? 

such a basic gay pornstar ass name 

[JanStan]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

What cities in America have defunded their police departments?

Pretty much every large liberal one. 
 

https://americanpoliceofficersalliance.com/cities-that-defunded-police/

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, JanStan said:

Pretty much every large liberal one. 
 

https://americanpoliceofficersalliance.com/cities-that-defunded-police/

 

I-

 

And no, this is quite literally just flat-out lying in every case:

 

Per your link:

 

Baltimore:

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What amounted to a roughly five percent decrease in police spending

Los Angeles:

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the LAPD, had its slated $1.86 billion budget reduced by $150 million

That's 8... as in 8%. 

 

Milwaukee police budget decreased by less than 1% from 2019 to 2020, the year they're complaining about $140k cut in overtime funding out of a budget that remains at over $300M:

 

Philadelphia lowered the police budget by 4% from 2020 to 2021. This is after the budget increased by 30% over the last decade:

 

In fact, most mega metropolitan areas increased their police budgets even when cuts to general budgets occurred in 2021:

 

The only outlier being the city of Austin, the only metropolitan area to do a significant cut to police - the vast majority being due to COVID-related expenses, with only 15% of the $140M cut being force other public safety measures:

 

I genuinely don't get the need to be a faceless brand new account and have most posts be posting right-wing talking points. Like as though a dupe check won't be imminent. Girl it's Memorial Day weekend. Go have fun. 

[JanStan]

Wait. You post that graphic where most of those in the negative are liberal which is exactly what I said in my original post and then use the increases in other cities as evidence that defunding in liberal cities wasn’t true?
 

Or is what you are actually referring to is ABOLISHING the police and any decrease in funds isn’t sufficient enough for you? This is a conversation that only leads to frustration cause the level of mental gymnastics that the progressive left (and alt right) does to score points doesn’t do anything. 
 

 

And the fact that you think that I might be new and faceless somehow gives YOU more credibility and me less just proves that you don’t really care about the issue. It’s a competition to you and not one that I care to participate in. There is a REAL world out there where actual intellectual honestly might make a difference. Not here obviously. 

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, JanStan said:

where most of those in the negative are liberal

Are you suggesting the metropolitan areas of San Diego, Sacramento, and Atlanta are conservative cities?

 

Sis it's giving trolling. 

 

 

[lostcause]

She’s the worst.

SF mayors are alway status quo elites, it’s such a shame.

 

matter a fact, I can’t remember the last time LA, SF or NY have had good mayors. Surprisingly Boston seems to have the best mayor of a major American city atm.

[JanStan]

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

Are you suggesting the metropolitan areas of San Diego, Sacramento, and Atlanta are conservative cities?

 

Sis it's giving trolling. 

 

 

OMG. You HAVE to be doing it on purpose at this point. 
 

“Defunding the police has been an absolute disaster not only in SF, but in every liberal city where it’s been tried”

 

Were San Diego, Sacramento and Atlanta cities that defunded the police that I specifically referred to in my original post? Literally unreal. It’s like talking to a trump supporter but just a different issue. 

Edited May 29, 2022 by JanStan

[Chris]

London what?

[Jennifer]

Lol

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, JanStan said:

“Defunding the police has been an absolute disaster not only in SF, but in every liberal city where it’s been tried”

And this above statement was proven factually wrong. What's not clicking?? 

 

1) Most liberal cities did not defund the police. Most liberal cities *increased* funding for police,

2) There is no evidence that redistributing funds from police "fails" because:

• Again, most cities have not tried it to even see how it would go
• Cities who increased their police funding did not see a decrease in reports of crime.

You claimed that "massive cuts" were made to police departments in the "defund the police" movement, but single-digit cuts *mostly attributed to COVID's impact on the economy* can't be ascribed as material or "massive".

 

There is no causality or relationship between size of police budget and levels of crime. 

Cities are not becoming safer despite flooding police budgets everywhere with money.

 

Your logic that giving police money makes places safer is nonsense and nearly 20 children are dead in places like Uvalde, Texas because of claims like yours that suggest militarization of police and turning public life into a police state is somehow a the answer to safety. A highly conservative town where 40% of the entire city budget went to the POLICE DEPARTMENT saw police respond to an 18-year-old with easily accessible guns by nervously standing outside and texting while parents screamed for their babies to be saved. 

 

Crime caused by capitalism is still flourishing because you can't police brutality away the inherent need to survive under economic duress, while on top of it the only causality occurring is the shared rapid increase of police funding and mass shootings. It's almost like most police overlap the kind of people who shoot up public spaces. 

 

But yes, we all must continue entertaining this failed attempt at structuring society where Incompetent police states steal more in asset forfeiture than they recover in crime and who radicalize people to kill more than they stop because the six-figure elites in a hellscape San Fran don't wanna see homeless people sleeping outside the Prada store. 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Communion

[JanStan]

18 minutes ago, Communion said:

And this above statement was proven factually wrong. What's not clicking?? 

 

1) Most liberal cities did not defund the police. Most liberal cities *increased* funding for police,

2) There is no evidence that redistributing funds from police "fails" because:

• Again, most cities have not tried it to even see how it would go
• Cities who increased their police funding did not see a decrease in reports of crime.

You claimed that "massive cuts" were made to police departments in the "defund the police" movement, but single-digit cuts *mostly attributed to COVID's impact on the economy* can't be ascribed as material or "massive".

 

There is no causality or relationship between size of police budget and levels of crime. 

Cities are not becoming safer despite flooding police budgets everywhere with money.

 

Your logic that giving police money makes places safer is nonsense and nearly 20 children are dead in places like Uvalde, Texas because of claims like yours that suggest militarization of police and turning public life into a police state is somehow a the answer to safety. A highly conservative town where 40% of the entire city budget went to the POLICE DEPARTMENT saw police respond to an 18-year-old with easily accessible guns by nervously standing outside and texting while parents screamed for their babies to be saved. 

 

Crime caused by capitalism is still flourishing because you can't police brutality away the inherent need to survive under economic duress, while on top of it the only causality occurring is the shared rapid increase of police funding and mass shootings. It's almost like most police overlap the kind of people who shoot up public spaces. 

 

But yes, we all must continue entertaining this failed attempt at structuring society where Incompetent police states steal more in asset forfeiture than they recover in crime and who radicalize people to kill more than they stop because the six-figure elites in a hellscape San Fran don't wanna see homeless people sleeping outside the Prada store. 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/democrats-invest-to-protect-bill/amp
 

https://www.ft.com/content/0b1ade8e-18cd-43a1-967f-5328ba2053dc
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/05/politics/defund-the-police-democrats/index.html

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/26/us/politics/minneapolis-defund-police.html

https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/san-francisco-becomes-latest-city-to-reverse-course-and-increase-police-bud/617285/

 

And can you stop running to a different straw man argument when your flop attempt at changing the subject fails? Literally a 5 second google search which wasn’t even needed for anyone with even an atom of common sense.

 

But maybe, according to you, they didn’t defund enough and if they had just decreased funding even more then the impacts covid caused wouldn’t have been AS bad because the criminals would have been better behaved due to the lack of police presence. JUST. STOP. PLEASE. You’re line of thinking would be funny if it wasn’t so damn dangerous. 

Edited May 29, 2022 by JanStan

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, JanStan said:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/democrats-invest-to-protect-bill/amp
 

https://www.ft.com/content/0b1ade8e-18cd-43a1-967f-5328ba2053dc
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/05/politics/defund-the-police-democrats/index.html

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/26/us/politics/minneapolis-defund-police.html

https://www.smartcitiesdive.com/news/san-francisco-becomes-latest-city-to-reverse-course-and-increase-police-bud/617285/

 

And can you stop running to a different straw man argument when your flop attempt at changing the subject fails? Literally a 5 second google search which wasn’t even needed for anyone with even an atom of common sense.

 

But maybe, according to you, they didn’t defund enough and if they had just decreased funding even more then the impacts covid caused wouldn’t have been AS bad because the criminals would have been better behaved due to the lack of police presence. JUST. STOP. PLEASE. You’re line of thinking would be funny if it wasn’t so damn dangerous. 

Three out of five of these links explicitly state that defunding the police never occurred. The first link you shared even calls the claim that Dems were going to "defund the police" a "boogeyman". Do you think the boogeyman is real? Did you even look at and read what you "Googled"?

 

 

Literally all 10 of your posts are factually wrong and objectively incorrect based on decades of criminology and the understood data behind what fuels crime and what prevents it. 

Edited May 29, 2022 by Communion

[JanStan]

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

Three out of five of these links explicitly state that defunding the police never occurred. The first link you shared even calls the claim that Dems were going to "defund the police" a "boogeyman". Do you think the boogeyman is real? Did you even look at and read what you "Googled"?

 

 

Literally all 10 of your posts are factually wrong and objectively incorrect based on decades of criminology and the understood data behind what fuels crime and what prevents it. 

You are exhausting. You lack the ability to understand nuance. First of all YES OBVIOUSLY I THINK DEFUNDING THE POLICE IS A BOGEYMAN. Was that not clear? It is an absolute disaster both politically and socially. 
 

Secondly the links were in reference to people THAT LIVE IN THESE CITIES THAT KNOW THAT DEFUNDING POLICE IS A DISASTER. Why do you, with all your supposed social wisdom about crime and prevention, think you know better then the people that live and run these cities? And moreover, what makes someone who spends as much time as you do on ATRL, think you know how much defunding is necessary to be successful? OBVIOUSLY law enforcement needs reforms and improvements but to take the leap to defunding the police is just plain illogical, irrational, and dangerous.
 

I mean there’s evidence that defunding the police has been a total failure. Literally from the people who supported and tried it. I’m sure since you’re so passionate about it you can cite where defunding the police in ANY city has been successful? 

 

And sorry, saying budgets weren’t cut enough to your liking doesn’t mean police weren’t defunded. 

 

[Communion]

26 minutes ago, JanStan said:

YES OBVIOUSLY I THINK DEFUNDING THE POLICE IS A BOGEYMAN.

A boogeyman is a political term for an imagined threat does not actually exist.

 

28 minutes ago, JanStan said:

Secondly the links were in reference to people THAT LIVE IN THESE CITIES THAT KNOW THAT DEFUNDING POLICE IS A DISASTER.

The first link you gave is a list of conservative Democrats complaining about progressive Dems in large deep blue cities allegedly campaigning on defunding the police and the impact this has on their national image.

1. Only a single digit number of Dems support defunding the police due to their activist backgrounds

2. Why would these Dems know progressive Dems' district better than them, per your logic?

3. Let alone, you're contradicting yourself - wouldn't the city councils of liberal cities be then the most accurate source for what's best for the city since, as you say, the people "that live in these cities" know best?

 

31 minutes ago, JanStan said:

someone who spends as much time as you

ATRL Member

Joined May 14

 

33 minutes ago, JanStan said:

I mean there’s evidence that defunding the police has been a total failure.

If there is, you've not presented any.

 

33 minutes ago, JanStan said:

Literally from the people who supported and tried it.

In reference to London Breed, it's already been shown to you that her claims of support for BLM were shallow and opportunistic, that she herself never actually supported BLM, and San Francisco never defunded their police.

 

34 minutes ago, JanStan said:

And sorry, saying budgets weren’t cut enough to your liking doesn’t mean police weren’t defunded. 

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As a group, the difference between police spending as a share of the general funds fell less than 1% from last year. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-city-budget-police-defunding/

[JanStan]

36 minutes ago, hurricane326 said:

A newbie with twelve posts heading straight for the jugular in the Civics section is odd.

 

@JanStanI'm not the biggest fan of the user you're fighting with, but you literally posted right-wing propaganda (that itself sources tabloids) as your source. that doesn't earn you many friends on ATRL.

I have enough friends in real life I don’t need them here. I don’t mind passionate discussions about relevant topics and don’t need a support system to help me do that. Im open to changing my mind if presented with compelling reason to do so and it doesn’t hurt me to at all if that were to happen. 
 

With that said what was the right wing propaganda I spoke of? 
 

The gist of my conversation was that defunding the police hasn’t worked and that’s from those that have tried it. How is that propaganda?

Edited May 29, 2022 by JanStan

[JanStan]

3 minutes ago, hurricane326 said:

The American Police Officers Alliance. One of their sources is The New York Post, a right wing daily tabloid itself

Ok but what was said that was propaganda?

 

The reason for that link was mainly a response to the question of the liberal cities that had defunded the police. I wasn’t necessarily using it to support or undermine defunding the police. I can see how that might look like the case though. 
 

BUT the question could still be asked as it relates to propaganda, is anything that was written untrue? The beauty of it is that that was written in December 2020. Do those cities still support defunding the police or have they since changed their mind? The beginning of this was about San Fran and we see how that worked out for them.