celeb news Kevin Spacey charged with 4 counts of sexual assault against 3 men in the UK

[Vermillion]

 

[MadonnasBoyfriend]

*deletes American beauty from hard drive*

[X~MoviePoP]

Wait is this new and recent?? Like he just did this???

[Vermillion]

31 minutes ago, X~MoviePoP said:

Wait is this new and recent?? Like he just did this???

No, he was accused right around the same time Weinstein was during the height of the first #MeToo wave in late 2017 for assault cases on both sides of the Atlantic going back to practically the start of his career in the early 80's. The over 20 UK allegations are from his time as artistic director for the Old Vic theater in London from 2004-2015: https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42009596

 

More than a dozen people made accusations in the States but the only one that went to trial thus far was from groping at a bar in 2016 Cape Cod, MA with my former local newscaster Heather Unruh's son which fell apart and was dropped due to key evidence being lost from a missing cell phone but the case could be refiled: https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/07/17/kevin-spacey-case-unravels-criminal-charge-dropped/

 

Not sure on the statute of limitations for criminal charges as the majority of these cases go back to the 80s, but as far as I know, Anthony Rapp and a 2nd, anonymous accuser "C.D." have sued for damages for sexually assaulting them both when they were 14. https://www.thewrap.com/kevin-spacey-accused-sexual-assault-14-year-old-boys/

 

In the most recent court filing from late March this year, Spacey's team was trying to get Rapp's lawsuit terminated as they claimed it didn't qualify for revival under the Child Victim's Act (which could only have happened because of New York State's recently reformed laws on statue of limitations) but Rapp's team claim it does. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/kevin-spacey-anthony-rapp-lawsuit-child-victims-acts-1324625/

 

There's accusations of assault in LA as well I won't bother to look for links on y'all are welcome to.

[Vermillion]

33 minutes ago, MadonnasBoyfriend said:

*deletes American beauty from hard drive*

That film has been trashed in multiple pieces recently for reasons that have nothing to do with Kevin though. 

 

I think there was some new poll of the Academy that in addition to Crash winning over Brokeback Mountain that American Beauty shouldn't have won Best Picture. 

 

The Lolita-pop wave was happening in TRL right around that time so the plot of the bored husband with a shrill wife that lusts after the high schooler only works for that era. It's so dated and cliched now having watched it recently.

[SwiftLover]

 

[Velvet Night]

About time, I was honestly starting to think he would never face any real consequences for his actions. Also I hope every director who ignored Kevin Spacey's sexual assault allegations and hired him anyway has their movies tank and lose millions.

[Daddy]

I needs to off himself in a jail cell. ******* monster.

[AlanRickman1946]

Sometimes I wonder what dirt he has on the powers that be...

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/04/uk/maxwell-spacey-throne-gbr-intl/index.html

 

The cup is royal family merch 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by AlanRickman1946

[BigBangStan]

If the accusers suddenly die, it is not a coincidence. 

[worldwide angel]

evil evil man my god 

 

not only is he a serial abuser but he really tried to throw us queer girls under the bus when allegations guest came out

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

The best news I've read this week 

 

He better rot in Jail ASAP!

Edited May 26, 2022 by Mr. Blue_Shirt

[Cocetti]

I always had this weird feeling he was playing Frank Underwood too naturally 

[The7thStranger]

I'll never get over Kevin Spacey being a predator. I'm still heartbroken about it to this day.

[Truth Teller]

20 hours ago, Espresso said:

The Lolita-pop wave was happening in TRL right around that time so the plot of the bored husband with a shrill wife that lusts after the high schooler only works for that era. It's so dated and cliched now having watched it recently.

The movie is not about lust. It's about repression. The girl is what triggers him to realize he hates his life, but she remains a very small part of the actual plot. The movie goes way beyond her, as a depiction of the crisis of the unsatisfied middle class suburban family. It's social commentary at its sharpest, especially with some of the secondary characters (Allison Janney's character is still as haunting as ever), and touches on everything, from capitalism to gun control. And it all holds true and relevant to this day.

 

Kevin Spacey is over and done but American Beauty remains one of the best movies of all time. 

 

OT : Perv

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5 hours ago, The7thStranger said:

I'll never get over Kevin Spacey being a predator. I'm still heartbroken about it to this day.

I never understood his hype and found his brand creepy when I first started following his filmography around the late 2000s.

 

I wasn't surprised by the allegations at all. 

 

5 hours ago, Truth Teller said:

The movie is not about lust. It's about repression. The girl is what triggers him to realize he hates his life, but she remains a very small part of the actual plot. The movie goes way beyond her, as a depiction of the crisis of the unsatisfied middle class suburban family. It's social commentary at its sharpest, especially with some of the secondary characters (Allison Janney's character is still as haunting as ever), and touches on everything, from capitalism to gun control. And it all holds true and relevant to this day.

 

Kevin Spacey is over and done but American Beauty remains one of the best movies of all time. 

 

OT : Perv

Everyone's allowed their opinions. Allison Janney's incredible in what was otherwise a vastly overrated, absurdly overhyped film full of trite handling of the issues it attempted to address. It comes across like a teenage night soap that fits perfectly into the era when Harvey Weinstein was at his most powerful and everyone in Hollywood was collectively deluding themselves. 

 

For either cultural impact or messaging or filmmaking, their were endless better films released even that year, including “The Talented Mr. Ripley,” The Sixth Sense,” “The Matrix,” “Election,” “Magnolia,” “Being John Malkovich,” “Eyes Wide Shut,” “The Best Man,” “The Blair Witch Project”, “Boys Don’t Cry”, and "Cider House Rules". All infinitely better films for various reasons. Don't take my word for it:

 

In 2005, Premiere listed “Beauty” as one of the 20 most overrated American movies of all time, and in 2008, CinemaBlend ranked it #4 on their Top 5 Worst Oscar Winners of All Time list, calling it a "wholly heartless, insipid spook story about a second adolescence, dressed up with ham-handed, unoriginal critiques, full of old stereotypes and outrageous misogyny and presented with the puffed up pretensions of an art student that doesn't tackle tough topics but exploits them, only winning not for its merit but because Hollywood wanted to award itself for Cooper and Spacey swapping spit"

 

In 2012, Complex ranked it at #2 it on their Top Ten Most Heavy-Handed Message Movies list, in 2014, IndieWire was trying to figure out "what we all collectively lost out **** over", and in 2019, HuffPost noted that while "plenty of classics undergo cultural reappraisals as time amends our ideas about what constitutes valuable storytelling, few have turned into such a widespread punchline", with "outdated commentary that only ran skin deep" such as "reductive commentary on overcoming pedophilia", a "treatment of gayness as a fatal revelation", and "class depiction at the center that upon revisiting seemed more like low-hanging snark than trenchant analysis": X

 

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[Truth Teller]

19 minutes ago, Espresso said:

I never understood his hype and found his brand creepy when I first started following his filmography around the late 2000s.

 

I wasn't surprised by the allegations at all. 

 

Everyone's allowed their opinions. Allison Janney's incredible in what was otherwise a vastly overrated, absurdly overhyped film full of trite handling of the issues it attempted to address. It comes across like a teenage night soap that fits perfectly into the era when Harvey Weinstein was at his most powerful and everyone in Hollywood was collectively deluding themselves. 

 

For either cultural impact or messaging or filmmaking, their were endless better films released even that year, including “The Talented Mr. Ripley,” The Sixth Sense,” “The Matrix,” “Election,” “Magnolia,” “Being John Malkovich,” “Eyes Wide Shut,” “The Best Man,” “The Blair Witch Project”, “Boys Don’t Cry”, and "Cider House Rules". All infinitely better films for various reasons. Don't take my word for it:

 

In 2005, Premiere listed “Beauty” as one of the 20 most overrated American movies of all time, and in 2008, CinemaBlend ranked it #4 on their Top 5 Worst Oscar Winners of All Time list, calling it a "wholly heartless, insipid spook story about a second adolescence, dressed up with ham-handed, unoriginal critiques, full of old stereotypes and outrageous misogyny and presented with the puffed up pretensions of an art student that doesn't tackle tough topics but exploits them, only winning not for its merit but because Hollywood wanted to award itself for Cooper and Spacey swapping spit"

 

In 2012, Complex ranked it at #2 it on their Top Ten Most Heavy-Handed Message Movies list, in 2014, IndieWire was trying to figure out "what we all collectively lost out **** over", and in 2019, HuffPost noted that while "plenty of classics undergo cultural reappraisals as time amends our ideas about what constitutes valuable storytelling, few have turned into such a widespread punchline", with "outdated commentary that only ran skin deep" such as "reductive commentary on overcoming pedophilia", a "treatment of gayness as a fatal revelation", and "class depiction at the center that upon revisiting seemed more like low-hanging snark than trenchant analysis": X

Any film that was as massive as American Beauty is bound to have some opposition. I'm sure there's a negative think piece on most movies with a 8.5+ rating on IMDb. I recently read on Taste Of Cinema (who I trust way more than Complex btw) that Forrest Gump is overrated because "Essentially, the film is stating that in order to be successful and safe, one simply has to do what they’re told without questioning anything". Same for The Godfather. The New Yorker had an article comparing Coppola to a (superior, to them) Cassavetes, and calling The Godfather soulless and superficial.

 

Now, I don't love Forrest Gump and I ******* hate The Godfather but those critiques are still mostly bullshit, just like the stuff on American Beauty. AB hit its mark then, by combining commentary and a memorable plot (a more trenchant analysis on class, sex, age and capitalism can be found in one of HuffPost writer's closest libraries, not in a 2-hour mainstream movie that never advertised itself as a manifesto of any kind). It's been 22 years so of course society has changed and not every component of the movie has aged exceptionally (I will agree the movie shits on the wife more than needed), but most of it has and is still relevant to this day. It's just not the kind of subject matter (or the kind of perspective, that of the 45-year old man) that interests film critics at the moment

[JonginBey]

Death penalty… but let him suffer first.

[Vermillion]

1 hour ago, Truth Teller said:

Any film that was as massive as American Beauty is bound to have some opposition. I'm sure there's a negative think piece on most movies with a 8.5+ rating on IMDb. I recently read on Taste Of Cinema (who I trust way more than Complex btw) that Forrest Gump is overrated because "Essentially, the film is stating that in order to be successful and safe, one simply has to do what they’re told without questioning anything". Same for The Godfather. The New Yorker had an article comparing Coppola to a (superior, to them) Cassavetes, and calling The Godfather soulless and superficial.

 

Now, I don't love Forrest Gump and I ******* hate The Godfather but those critiques are still mostly bullshit, just like the stuff on American Beauty. AB hit its mark then, by combining commentary and a memorable plot (a more trenchant analysis on class, sex, age and capitalism can be found in one of HuffPost writer's closest libraries, not in a 2-hour mainstream movie that never advertised itself as a manifesto of any kind). It's been 22 years so of course society has changed and not every component of the movie has aged exceptionally (I will agree the movie shits on the wife more than needed), but most of it has and is still relevant to this day. It's just not the kind of subject matter (or the kind of perspective, that of the 45-year old man) that interests film critics at the moment

A lot of interesting points you raise. Thanks for your response. I need to revisit most of the films we talked about anyways.

[Attitude]

20 hours ago, BigBangStan said:

If the accusers suddenly die, it is not a coincidence. 

This.

 

[The7thStranger]

3 hours ago, Espresso said:

I wasn't surprised by the allegations at all. 

Neither was I tbh. Just disappointed that all the rumors turned out to be true.

Edited May 27, 2022 by The7thStranger

[Broken]

I guess that Kevin Spacey "comeback" might not go as planned .