celeb news Netflix continues transphobic comedy special trend with Ricky Gervais

[RunUpDoneUp]

6 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Right now, it’s one side yelling, causing the other side to yell louder, in perpetuity. We’re not getting anywhere. 

No. Just no.

 

One side is literally LEGISLATING the existence of the other out of reality.

 

One side is encouraging suicide.

 

One side is denying treatment decided between doctor/s and patient.

 

One side is claiming a mass shooter is a trans person.

 

One side is claiming that the other are predators and groomers.

 

One side is running defense for all the above atrocities.

 

There is no both sides to human rights. I understand that people like you believe that people like gervais are operating in good faith but they are not, England is pretty clearly the origin of the current wave of transphobia that's killing trans people and making them targets even more than they already were. Anyone of ricky and Dave's level of income and free time can talk to lgbt groups or hell, dm a transwoman activist whenever they want. THEY ARE NOT DOING SO BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CARE.

 

This is another day at the office for rich men, punching down like they always do. Nothing new, same old song and dance.

[Communion]

28 minutes ago, FOCK said:

the link between the recent spike in transphobia & the rise of the Non-binary movement

I don't think there's much evidence to this, in that nowhere have these comedians ever mentioned non-binary people as some kind of specific issue, nor made complaints that would allude to this. There's also the issue that nb people can easily present their gender expression in a way that is perceived as no different from those in the gender binary.

 

Much of Chappelle's humor has been about "having to look out into the crowd for ******* with goatees and Adam's apples" when ~joking~ that trans women want to beat him up.

Even Gervais' humor doesn't differentiate at all from typical insults for trans women.

 

He mentions beards, but mocking trans women as being 'clockable' and having 'five o'clock shadows' is not some new invention of transphobic humor. There's definitely a reactionary conservatism to the idea of being non-binary for how it explicitly questions gender and sex itself, but I don't think there's much evidence to say it does so uniquely or in a way different than how the existence of binary trans people has long forced people to question preconceived ideas of sex and gender as inherent and unchangeable already.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Communion

[FOCK]

1 minute ago, RunUpDoneUp said:

No. Just no.

 

One side is literally LEGISLATING the existence of the other out of reality.

 

One side is encouraging suicide.

 

One side is denying treatment decided between doctor/s and patient.

 

One side is claiming a mass shooter is a trans person.

 

One side is claiming that the other are predators and groomers.

 

One side is running defense for all the above atrocities.

 

There is no both sides to human rights. I understand that people like you believe that people like gervais are operating in good faith but they are not, England is pretty clearly the origin of the current wave of transphobia that's killing trans people and making them targets even more than they already were. Anyone of ricky and Dave's level of income and free time can talk to lgbt groups or hell, dm a transwoman activist whenever they want. THEY ARE NOT DOING SO BECAUSE THEY DO NOT CARE.

 

This is another day at the office for rich men, punching down like they always do. Nothing new, same old song and dance.

You’re right, I wasn’t really speaking in terms of legislation, this is a comedian not a law maker. And yes, there is no “2 sides” to human rights - everyone should have the right to feel safe. 

 

I was coming at it from the recently heightened publicity, attention & disturbingly, celebration garnered by media figures that make misleading & uninformed transphobic remarks, and opining as to where the seeming reigniting of this outdated attitude could be stemming from. 

 

It was always there, but at one point I felt that society was making strides, we were increasing trans visibility & advocacy & shifting from using identity as a punch line… and everything just seems to have radically regressed & shifted, people have been laser focused on an issue that is hardly even going to effect the majority of them in their entire life. 

 

I’ve attributed this ultimately to poor messaging & lack of clarity. My understanding is this happened a few too many times:

 

Person A said something ignorant.

 

Person B calls the troops to guilt, cancel, dox and attack person A, who is labelled unforgivable.

 

Person A does not understand the lived experience of Person B and friends, and either apologises or doubles down due to the nature of the exchange. 

 

The Media realises it can get outrage clicks & pushes this type of content to the masses. 

 

Propaganda works & people have now become so enraged & deluded, the “issue” is picked up by politicians. 

 

We’re where we are now. 

 

 

[Frozen99]

trash, netflix want that transphobic rednecks to sub, disgusting behavior

[RunUpDoneUp]

21 minutes ago, FOCK said:

You’re right, I wasn’t really speaking in terms of legislation, this is a comedian not a law maker. And yes, there is no “2 sides” to human rights - everyone should have the right to feel safe. 

 

I was coming at it from the recently heightened publicity, attention & disturbingly, celebration garnered by media figures that make misleading & uninformed transphobic remarks, and opining as to where the seeming reigniting of this outdated attitude could be stemming from. 

 

It was always there, but at one point I felt that society was making strides, we were increasing trans visibility & advocacy & shifting from using identity as a punch line… and everything just seems to have radically regressed & shifted, people have been laser focused on an issue that is hardly even going to effect the majority of them in their entire life. 

 

I’ve attributed this ultimately to poor messaging & lack of clarity. My understanding is this happened a few too many times:

 

Person A said something ignorant.

 

Person B calls the troops to guilt, cancel, dox and attack person A, who is labelled unforgivable.

 

Person A does not understand the lived experience of Person B and friends, and either apologises or doubles down due to the nature of the exchange. 

 

The Media realises it can get outrage clicks & pushes this type of content to the masses. 

 

Propaganda works & people have now become so enraged & deluded, the “issue” is picked up by politicians. 

 

We’re where we are now. 

 

 

 

Nah, we never moved passed. Conservatism by necessity has to roll back advancement. They, in order to function, need to prevent any ounce of power being  "lost." Trans people getting surgery = power lost. Trans people being respected via pronouns = power lost. Trans people being in sports and winning AT ALL = power lost. What ricky, as a comedian, is doing; is affirming the feelings of those that want Trans people to be put "in their place." Ricky's profession has always been political, comedy is actually one of the most accepted places to be political.

 

The dynamic played out in cancel culture is literally the same thing that has been happening but now people aren't alone so it's bigger. Is it always done well? No. Is it done to the detriment of well meaning people sometimes? Yep. Should we check and control for it? As best we can, yeah. However social pressure on people is literally how gay rights was achieved, if social media was around during Civil rights, that would be the discourse for black people too. Nothing has changed, just the mechanism by which we play it out.

 

What conservatives have successfully done is made the current discourse, "too far" but all discourse wherein someone can respond to them is always gonna be, "too far." Ricky, Dave, the others that agree with them aren't doing jokes; they're using the same rhetorical devices that were employed against black people during Civil rights, gay people during stonewall era and now Trans people. There's a reason why it's the same thing over and over with them; Trans people are odd by cisgender standards. The one joke, every time. The one joke, every set. The one, joke every tweet. The one joke, every clip.

 

They aren't doing entertainment, they're enriching themselves at the cost of trans lives, nothing different from what comics did to black people, gay people, native Americans, jews, Asians, Muslims or anyone else when chosen by the societal orators as villains.

 

They're lazy acts and everyone claims that they want quality art but you have geniuses doing the same joke that the drunk at the bar who beats his wife tells? Comedy used to be about social commentary but now it's just about checking people already facing adversity because you don't like how they're being accepted as your equal in a way that doesn't even inconvenience you.

[Blade Runner]

Pathetic. What's their F+CKING problem and why are these motherf+ckers so obsessed? Jesus F+cking Christ, I'm so, so tired. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Blade Runner

[Ibrahim]

If your comedy is to punch down to already marginalized and groups that have the highest rate of suicide and experience violence every day, you've failed as a comedian. Surely, for a clever comedian, there are endless topics you could riff off of that don't involve vulnerable groups? 

 

Remember how comedians used to lament they couldn't use black face because it was making their lives difficult? 

 

 

History repeats itself. 

 

People say "if you like it, don't watch it" but when you don't want to watch it, you're participating in "cancel culture". There's always an out for these people. 

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Ibrahim

[Mobility Mary]

6 hours ago, Lucid Dreaming said:

The worst thing is that in one week their twitter feed will be full of rainbows and 'gay' slang while they do **** like this.

 

Like you either support trans folks or you don't, don't try to play both ways babe.

There are people who support gays, but don’t support trans people tho

[Lucas32]

Comedy is truly in the gutter these days. All you have to do is a lazy and offensive joke and you will have thousands of braindead edgelords praise you as some sort of comedic genius and anyone who doesn‘t find it funny is just too sensitive   it‘s like no, maybe come up with material that doesn‘t sound like something that would‘ve been outdated on 2014 Reddit and that I can‘t read on every generic TERF Twitter account. Come up with an actually funny joke I beg you.

[Bloodflowers.]

I will have to watch it for myself to see if I find it offensive or not

 

Don't care for that previous Dave guy or whoever it was, that caused the scandal

 

Ricky is one of few comedians that is actually comedic and funny so I know I won't waste my time like I do with other "comedians" that I see their clips on Youtube.

 

[FOCK]

11 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said:

I will have to watch it for myself to see if I find it offensive or not

 

Don't care for that previous Dave guy or whoever it was, that caused the scandal

 

Ricky is one of few comedians that is actually comedic and funny so I know I won't waste my time like I do with other "comedians" that I see their clips on Youtube.

 

I actually just finished it and I have to say, it had more context in the theme of the whole show’s commentary & isn’t quite as damning as in the clip alone. He still wasn’t really making a point that hasn’t been made hundreds of times before & didn’t really need to be retreaded. 

 

The set itself was dark, existential, self-aware & filled with humour squeezed out of grim situations, as you’d expect from Ricky - but a lot of the material was outdated and recycled & I’m certain I’d heard him perform it before. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by FOCK

[Bloodflowers.]

2 minutes ago, FOCK said:

I actually just finished it and I have to say, it had more context in the theme of the whole show’s commentary & isn’t quite as damning as in the clip alone. He still wasn’t really making a point that hasn’t been made hundreds of times before & didn’t really need to be retreaded. 

 

The set itself was dark, existential, self-aware & filled with humour squeezed out of grim situations, as you’d expect from Ricky - but a lot of the material was outdated and recycled & I’m certain I’d heard him perform it before. 

 

Oh? So essentially nothing new or clever? Mess. He should stick with roasting celebrities and religious people, that never gets old for me at least 

 

 

[FOCK]

4 minutes ago, Bloodflowers. said:

 

Oh? So essentially nothing new or clever? Mess. He should stick with roasting celebrities and religious people, that never gets old for me at least 

 

 

Plenty of religious roasting in a bit about AIDS and heaven.

And slight shade towards Rih and Bey for their "thoughts and prayers". 

[Bloodflowers.]

9 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Plenty of religious roasting in a bit about AIDS and heaven.

And slight shade towards Rih and Bey for their "thoughts and prayers". 

 

Hmm... now you got me interested again into watching

 

[RockStarShit101]

just don't give any attention and don't watch this stupid special. he wants to be edgy and people talk about him. what a vile sick person!